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Is it possible humans aren't the only intelligent species on Earth and if so -- (Original Post) Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 OP
Unicorns. zappaman Jul 2014 #1
Well DUH! Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #3
Ben Franklin really said that? fadedrose Jul 2014 #17
Yup. zappaman Jul 2014 #33
I might vote for a well-reasoned orangutan. Throd Jul 2014 #2
Octopi...if they didn't die after breeding Baclava Jul 2014 #4
Humboldt squid have super-fast nerve conduction velocities DirkGently Jul 2014 #18
I don't like their beady little eyes Baclava Jul 2014 #36
Nice pic DirkGently Jul 2014 #40
Dolphins are very intelligent Terra Alta Jul 2014 #5
Republicans onehandle Jul 2014 #6
DUzy Marie Marie Jul 2014 #24
Mere reflex mechanism nt LiberalElite Jul 2014 #28
Of a very... 3catwoman3 Jul 2014 #31
I think we're it. We have grammar and the other critters don't. aikoaiko Jul 2014 #7
Speak you goodly. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #9
Sometimes it seems that my pet rocks are more intelligent than humans. IronGate Jul 2014 #8
Nice collection you got there nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #10
Welcome back nadin. IronGate Jul 2014 #11
Thanks nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #13
They are smarter than republicans... Uben Jul 2014 #12
LOL, IronGate Jul 2014 #19
Let's hope Mother Earth herself doesn't have some kind of intelligence aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #14
Many things are intelligent n2doc Jul 2014 #15
Elephants fadedrose Jul 2014 #16
Define "intelligent" please. flvegan Jul 2014 #20
In this instance I would define it as being sufficiently intelligent/self-aware/sentient/whatnot Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #23
What is "sufficient"? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #29
This town needs an enema. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #34
Thank you for clarifying that. You mentioned a word, "sentient" in your response. flvegan Jul 2014 #37
Pigs. NV Whino Jul 2014 #21
The species we haven't discovered yet... First Speaker Jul 2014 #22
I'm pretty sure there are plants Aerows Jul 2014 #25
That is for... 3catwoman3 Jul 2014 #32
I, for one, welcome our new cephalopod overlords. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2014 #26
We only think we're intelligent. morningfog Jul 2014 #27
My cat! oldandhappy Jul 2014 #30
Dolphins and apes... TDale313 Jul 2014 #35
The problem is the definition of intelligence. Half-Century Man Jul 2014 #38
Are we really all that "intelligent" if we are on a continual mission to kill ourselves? nt Javaman Jul 2014 #39
Ants Boom Sound 416 Jul 2014 #41
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
4. Octopi...if they didn't die after breeding
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:33 PM
Jul 2014

What a waste

London, England (CNN) -- Octopuses are so smart they tip-toe around awkwardly on the ocean floor hoarding coconut shells to later build themselves a fort to defend themselves from predators, a new Australian study has found.

"Amazing behavior," said Australian biologist Julian Finn of Museum Victoria in Melbourne, who first observed the octopuses' smart moves while leading a team in Indonesia.

"We were blown away," teammate Mark Norman, head of science at the Museum Victoria, said about the discovery. "It was hard not to laugh underwater and flood your (scuba) mask."

"This is an octopus that runs around collecting cups, stacking them, running along with them underneath its body, and then assembling them as perfect armour if a predator comes along," Norman said. "Planned future use."

It's that forward planning -- and use of tools -- that surprisingly makes the veined octopus one of the smartest animals on Earth.

"Using tools, something we think is very special about humans, exists in other animal groups we've never considered before," said Norman in an interview with Australian television. "A low-life form, a relative of a snail, these octopuses, they're not simple animals."

Finn and Norman were in Indonesia's north Sulawesi region looking for the mimic octopus, when they chanced across the veined octopus doing its thing.

The coconut-carrying -- and subsequent hiding -- makes the veined octopus the newest member of the animal tool-using club, scientists say, an extremely elite group in the animal kingdom.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/12/15/octopus.study/

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
18. Humboldt squid have super-fast nerve conduction velocities
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:56 PM
Jul 2014

... and communicate with rapid on-off flashes of their chromatophores. And they can kill you.

Not saying they are trans-dimensional beings who see into the future and could take us down at will.

But maybe?

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
6. Republicans
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:34 PM
Jul 2014

I've seen them feed themselves and renew their licenses at the DMV.

Pretty sure that constitutes intelligence.

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
11. Welcome back nadin.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:42 PM
Jul 2014

Glad to see you posting again and thanks, these are the creation of my wife's she says it relieves the stress of her job.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. Thanks
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:46 PM
Jul 2014

I went to Comicon and all I got was a lousy cold!!!!

So trying to take it easy. Plane went down, don't want to deal with smoke. Yesterday a hangar went up, nope...I am afraid the next step would be the ER. But we were able to do city hall through the wonders of city tv.

Uben

(7,719 posts)
12. They are smarter than republicans...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:45 PM
Jul 2014

..because we all know they are dumber than a box of rocks!

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
14. Let's hope Mother Earth herself doesn't have some kind of intelligence
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:51 PM
Jul 2014

we don't understand, a very slow-moving type of awareness, with her own type of immune system that can respond to infestations gone wild.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
15. Many things are intelligent
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:55 PM
Jul 2014

Define the term first. Frankly, all animals and birds are intelligent without question. One really should be open minded enough to consider all life as intelligent, given what studies have shown about plant and microbial behaviors. You just have to decide what your cutoff is. Maybe viruses. Maybe.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
16. Elephants
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:55 PM
Jul 2014

They showed an elephant who was rescued from 30-40 years of hard work and bad treatment and released in a safe place....the elephant actually cried from joy.

I don't know what network it was, but am usually on CNN lately...maybe there's a clip. An awesome story...

The rescuers did this on their own, not with permission...

flvegan

(64,402 posts)
20. Define "intelligent" please.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:05 PM
Jul 2014

That word tends to be a judgmental call, based on what the individual believes to be intelligent.

I would suggest that all animal species are intelligent in one capacity or another to begin with.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
23. In this instance I would define it as being sufficiently intelligent/self-aware/sentient/whatnot
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:26 PM
Jul 2014

that we would have to give serious moral consideration of acting in such a way that we would have to reconsider hunting or even domesticating them.

There are some animals where they exhibit traits that make me uncomfortable with the idea they can be harmed or held captive with legal and ethical impunity.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
29. What is "sufficient"?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:39 PM
Jul 2014

There are no animals that are not self-aware. It'd be hard to exist without self-awareness. Intelligence? At a standard defined by humans, no doubt.

spend more time around animals, from all clades. You'll find that they're all self-aware, and they're all exactly as intelligent as they need to be. That they aren't humans in miniature makes them no less so.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
34. This town needs an enema.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 11:06 PM
Jul 2014
spend more time around animals


For future reference: You might want to lead with something other than a judgmental assumption. I live on a homestead. I have chickens, ducks, geese, guineas and goats as well as a dog and cats. We're all very happy with each other, thank-you. I have carried mice caught inside my home 300 yards out into a field so as to not kill them.

I wanted an honest discussion. Not some self-righteous lecture from someone looking down their nose.

flvegan

(64,402 posts)
37. Thank you for clarifying that. You mentioned a word, "sentient" in your response.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 12:17 AM
Jul 2014

Which begs the question, how can they be "harmed or held captive with legal and ethical impunity" if not sentient?

More importantly, why "some animals" and if that makes you uncomfortable, at what point is this not about you? To wit, you said "me"

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
22. The species we haven't discovered yet...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:24 PM
Jul 2014

what intelligent species *wouldn't* want to avoid us like the plague...?

Buns_of_Fire

(17,146 posts)
26. I, for one, welcome our new cephalopod overlords.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:36 PM
Jul 2014

(I figure what with the sea level rising and all, it's never too early to start sucking up. So to speak.)

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
30. My cat!
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:40 PM
Jul 2014

Elephants, all wild cats, coyotes and foxes and wolves, any wild animal that has to feed itself is smarter than the House t-folk.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
35. Dolphins and apes...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 11:12 PM
Jul 2014

Are at least a couple of species that are able to look in a mirror and realize they're seeing their own reflection. That is very rare, and shows a level of self awareness that one could classify as intelligence. I imagine some whales can, too.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
38. The problem is the definition of intelligence.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 12:24 AM
Jul 2014

It changes over time.
At one time or another it was...
Changes environments to serve needs: until it was pointed out wasps build nests, ants build bridges, beavers build water management systems, termites build armored cities....
Makes and uses tools; until we found out chimpanzees make termite gathering rods out of twigs.
Language: until we found out Great Apes can easily learn ASL, it turns out our Hyloid bone in the neck probably evolved to give us subtle verbal communication, but not a monopoly on language.
Complex languages: until we found out whales have complex codes and may have individual names.

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