Sen. Barbara Boxer has introduced a VERY pro-Israel bill...and it's co-sponsored by Elizabeth Warren

[Cali_Democrat]

This was retweeted by Glenn Greenwald:

https://twitter.com/charliearchy/status/494574217745027072

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Specifically, the U.S.-Israel Strategic Partnership Act of 2014:
• Authorizes an increase of $200 million in the value of U.S. weapons held in Israel, to a total of $1.8 billion. This stockpile is intended for use by U.S. forces in the event of a crisis, but it can also be used by Israel in the event of an emergency with Israel reimbursing the U.S. for any weapons used.
• Requires the Administration to take steps toward allowing Israel to be included in the top-tier category for license-free exports of certain U.S. technologies and products.
• Authorizes the President to carry out cooperation between the U.S. and Israel on a range of policy areas including energy, water, homeland security, and alternative fuel technologies. And it requires the President to study the feasibility of expanding U.S.-Israel cooperation on cyber security.
• Includes new language that encourages the Administration to work with Israel to help the country gain entry into the Visa Waiver Program, which would make it easier for Israeli citizens to travel to the United States without first having to obtain a visa.
• Requires the Administration to provide more frequent and more detailed assessments on the status of Israel’s qualitative military edge over its neighbors.
• Strengthens collaboration between the U.S. and Israel on energy development and encourages increased cooperation between the two countries’ academic, business and governmental sectors.

Here's a link to the co-sponsors:

https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2673/cosponsors

[babylonsister]

1. OK. Boxer and Warren, I love them both.

I don't get the love fest. Is there something I'm missing?

[djean111]

6. Evidently there are some who think that people who prefer Warren to Hillary will

happily charge into the Hillary camp if enough non-liberal stuff by Warren is pointed out.
But, this is not a personality contest. Warren represents the IDEA of a candidate who is not corporate, who is not pushing the TPP, etc. So, fail.
Deciding to not like or support Warren does not mean deciding to support/like Hillary. There are other potential candidates out there.

[VanillaRhapsody]

11. No there are some here who are realists who know that there is no Saintly President coming

not even Elizabeth Warren. We realists know that even if she DID become President....she would eventually do something disappointing to the perpetually dissatisfied crowd.....and she would also be tossed on their funeral pyre of failed imagined Super Heros...

[Solomon]

15. +1000

Thank you. Been wanting to say this every time people latch on to the latest "progressive" hero.

[Union Scribe]

16. Except every time a post tries to spark that pyre against her

it never gets going. That must be very frustrating. Because it sounds like you're frustrated.

[VanillaRhapsody]

20. uh I am not among the perpetually dissatisfied crowd who are building a pyre...

I like her AND I am committed to vote for her should she win the Primary.....its the perpetually dissatisfied crowd that has the pyre already blazing for Hillary R. Clinton!

[Union Scribe]

23. Sure about that?

Because frankly whenever I see you it's in the same context as this thread: "perpetually dissatisfied" with other DUers and not at all hesitant to malign them/us and make all manner of assumptions about people's traits and motives and claiming to speak for "most Dems" to browbeat us into shutting up and conforming.

[VanillaRhapsody]

47. I don't have a funeral pyre....I support whoever wins the Democratic Primary...

how about you?

[whathehell]

102. Supporting the Democratic Primary winner doesn't mean we shouldn't

work to get the best candidate to win that primary.

[VanillaRhapsody]

108. Supporting WHOEVER can WIN....and whomever my fellow Democrats select....

is priority one!

Guess who is the far and away front runner....it certainly is not Elizabeth Warren by a longshot.

[whathehell]

109. No one thought Obama could "win" initially either, if you recall.

Guess who won the primary and the election?!

[djean111]

18. No one thinks she is a saint.

As we have been admonished time and time again, we will not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
To some of us, Hillary is just not the good.

[VanillaRhapsody]

21. Yet most Democrats disagree with you!

that's the point....

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. Corporatists LOVE Hillary, for obvious reasons; they can have her.

[VanillaRhapsody]

48. So all those millions that DO support HRC are all Corporatists....

not Democrats....

Maybe YOU are just not one THEM...not everyone that posts here are I am told.

[RandiFan1290]

50. After 8 years

of wimpy subservience to Bush and then making the Bush tax cuts permanent. I realized I didn't belong in the Democratic Party. It's not a big deal.

[riqster]

81. It's a big deal if you don't vote Dem and a Repub wins.

A very big deal.

[VanillaRhapsody]

96. its also a big deal here....

The mission is to elect more democrats. If you are not here for that.....then you ste in the wrong place..

[riqster]

99. Exactly right. That's in the TOS. It is why I am here.

[MADem]

27. Brilliantly and succinctly stated. You nailed it, right there. nt

[Number23]

37. Nailed it, Nailed it, Nailed it. Seriously.

Though some will bray that you are mischaracterizing and distorting, you are saying nothing but the truth here. One of the reasons so few are lining up to represent the left fringe, now or ever.

[treestar]

57. +1 there is not even a word about getting her a Democratic Congress

Hell if they really cared, they'd be trying like mad to get one for President Obama's last two years.

It's an obsession with the Presidency - did they not learn that getting that alone is insufficient?

[djean111]

65. A little early to start talking of giving Hillary a Democratic Congress.

Or is the election already in the bag?

[treestar]

88. Warren.

Even if she won, she'd need a Democratic Congress too.

[sabrina 1]

73. Yeah, it looks like a majority of us are realists. We are watching the reality play out

in Gaza, hundreds of dead children. THAT IS REAL.

I know, it's nice to have the luxury of not actually living there. It makes it easier not to face that grotesque reality, and to make excuses for those who support it, to turn away and not face the reality.

But most of us don't need to be there to understand the reality of a child blown to bits, just one would be one too many.

I don't know if you have ever experienced the tragic loss of a child, but as someone who has, in my family, I will say that the parents and loved ones never, ever fully recover. I can't imagine the stunning, awful reality of seeing your entire family of little ones lying in pieces on the ground.

THAT is reality, bodies are reality, and the saddest reality of all as Americans is to know that our Government, even those we elected hoping to end our disastrous, murderous foreign policies under Bush, have blindly supported those responsible for all those tragic deaths. And some of us realists cannot support something so horrific or those who aid and abet the horrors.

Now show me the 'nuance' you are talking about regarding the reality of dead children.

[LordGlenconner]

101. And what are you doing to stop the dead children?

Answer: Posting on a message board.

Tell me more about your concern.

[treestar]

58. Anyone who is POTUS will do something "corporate"

Eventually she'll have to compromise. Congress will still be "corporatist" since none of the Presidency-obsessed ever think of those elections.

[djean111]

64. Really? Gosh, and here I was all set to vote in the Florida primary this month

and the general election in November. Such a broad-brush failure.
"Presidency-obsessed"? There is an OP or three every time Hillary opens her mouth.

[sabrina 1]

38. If Warren supports the slaugher of children in Gaza, I do not want her for ANY position

of power.

I already decided that regarding Hillary when she supported Bush's war, someone I also once fiercely supported.

I don't know why people think that we will have a problem withdrawing support from anyone who violates the trust we placed in them. I had zero problem doing that when Hillary voted for Bush's war.

If Warren supports Israel's war crimes, she is no longer who I thought she was, period. There, that was easy. I have principles, murder of children? There isn't even a question here. You support THAT, I don't support YOU.

[Scuba]

41. Yep. Just changed my signature line.

[leftynyc]

45. Perhaps Boxer and Warren both can do nuance

Perhaps they know there are no heroes in the story playing out in Israel. Perhaps they know the world is not black and white. Perhaps they're doing what senators are supposed to do and are representing their constituents - given the polling I've seen, it's obvious most Americans support Israel. I will support whoever is the Democratic nominee. We have too many problems and issues right here that need attention and I'll be damned if I sit on my hands and not vote out of what amounts to a temper tantrum.

[Warren Stupidity]

53. There is no nuance in either party on

Israel. The slaughter is approved. The response is more weapons.

[leftynyc]

54. That you put the entire blame

for this mess on one party tells me all I need to know.

[Warren Stupidity]

59. That you couldn't read my short response

without getting it completely backwards is entirely predictable.

[leftynyc]

60. Unlike what you apparently believe about yourself

You're terribly simple to figure out.

[Warren Stupidity]

61. hmm. well you do like insults, however perhaps you could illuminate me.

me:

There is no nuance in either party on Israel. The slaughter is approved. The response is more weapons.

you:

That you put the entire blame for this mess on one party tells me all I need to know.

So here is my question: what the flying fuck are you talking about?

[sabrina 1]

76. Perhaps they think that babies and innocent children are a threat to Israel's security? That kind

of nuance? I just can't do that kind of nuance, couldn't do it for Bush either.

[leftynyc]

77. I see this history of hamas

is of zero concern for most people here - so much so that we have actual defense of terrorists. I'm done.

[sabrina 1]

79. The dead children were members of Hamas? I see you are using the Right Wing Israeli attack on our

SOS, John Kerry. He too is a supporter of Hamas, according to them. So either they endorse the murder of innocents, or there are no innocents in Gaza according to them including little children.

As I said regarding the gross insult to Kerry from Israeli Right Wingers, he should take it as a compliment, considering the sources. We all learned to do that a long time ago, having been called the same thing for opposing our egregious invasion of Iraq and the daily killing of THEIR children. Used again to try to silence those of us who oppose another disastrous war, this time in Eastern Europe.

You know what, children are not terrorists, and neither are those who try to protect them from those who are, like Kerry and of course, US.

'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never harm me'. We are immune to these now infamous personal attacks.

[leftynyc]

91. Accusing me of being a right winger

is complete and utter bullshit when you're busy defending terrorists who have no problem raining rockets on their neighbors and put rocket launchers in schools and next to hospitals. Those like you complained when Israel tried targeted killings of hamas leaders so your complaints now are falling on deaf ears and I'm thankful that you are a small minority opinion among Americans.

[sabrina 1]

93. The irony of this outrage AFTER you accused those of us who want this to stop of being 'Supporters

of Terrorists'. Lol, do you really think it's only okay for YOU to attack DUers with such vicious attacks but when they respond, pointing out FACTS that just appeared in the news, you can feign outrage?

I told you the truth. Right Wing Loons in Israel called John Kerry a 'Terrorist Supporter'. Period. Sometimes we end up on the wrong side of history even when we are trying to do what is right. That too is a fact.

[leftynyc]

94. But you are supporting terrorists

hamas is a group that has been designated terrorists by every western country. They're the ones you believe when they spout bullshit - in fact, you'll believe them before you believe anything coming out of any Israeli - that's how far down the rabbit hole you've gone. You can comfort yourself in thinking that one day Americans will pull their support for Israel and and give it to the Palestinians if you want - you'll be disappointed but feel free to waste your time. It seems like Israel has good luck in its enemies.

[sabrina 1]

95. Sure, me and John Kerry, we are supporting terrorists. Okay, if you say so.

What I am believing is what I am seeing, with my own eyes, as now a majority of people all over the world are seeing.

Dead children, the bodies piling up every day. Two Latin American nations have now withdrawn their Ambassadors from Israel over these atrocities. I'm comfortable with the company I am in on this grotesque attack on innocent, helpless human beings. And nothing YOU can say, no name-calling, no 'you're a terrorist supporter' is going to change the reality of what the world is witnessing, until it stops and the criminals are held accountable.

[leftynyc]

107. John Kerry

isn't comparing Israeli's to nazis, he's not calling this a holocaust or a genocide. I have zero beef with John Kerry and think there were Israeli's that slandered his very good name. If I'm supposed to care about two Latin American countries who have far from sterling reputations, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disappoint you there. By the way, have you wondered why you haven't seen any demonstrations in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon in support of the hamas government?

[sabrina 1]

110. Boycotts all over the world, those two countries are likely just the beginning. And point

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where I ever compared Israelis to Nazis or the current slaughter of Palestinians, to the Holocaust. I am not given to hyperbole on such serious matters. This is its very own ATROCITY and doesn't need to be compared to any other. It stands on its own, it should get its own title, which it will imo.

ANYONE who cares about Israel at all, seeing the reaction around the globe, the growing anger and distrust of Israel, the support for Palestinians as a result of the criminal behavior being perpetrated against them, will throw that government out of office as fast as possible and will make not excuses for their criminal behavior.

Kerry was insulted by the far right morons in Israel, he was called a terror supporter.

YOU called me a terror supporter, I imagine Kerry's opinion of Israel isn't exactly very high right now. His open mike comments gave us a little clue that his thinking is pretty much the same as the rest of the world.

I have zero time for any excuses made for any foreign country that slams our Representative for trying to make peace.

You need to understand this, most of us don't care about morons calling us or people like Kerry, terrorist supporters. THEY are the ones supporting terror generally.

[leftynyc]

111. Hyperbole is so incredibly not helpful

and you don't seem to realize that. You are in a very small minority in this country (I notice you have nothing to say about the polls I've linked to that prove that) and the EU countries are being very evenhanded about their pubic statements - none of them are boycotting Israel. And instead of asking yourself why the opinion of the Palestinians (and really, Muslims in general) is so awful in this country and many others and trying to change that, you lash out at Israel - a country that is defending itself from terrorists. It doesn't care what you think or what I think - they think they're fighting for their lives and you don't give a shit. Which I guess is okay - they don't give a shit about you either.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

103. Uh, you do seem to be choosing the side that has the large child kill count

Did you think people would send you flowers or something?

[leftynyc]

104. I don't want anything from you

If you want to defend and believe every word out of hamas, knock yourself out.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

106. So no children have been killed by the IDF?

That tells me everything I need to know, and as you've released me, I'll do the same for you. I require nothing further from you.

[VanillaRhapsody]

49. so who are you left with now?????

[4now]

2. Lets reward Israel for murdering children

Thank you Democratic Senators.

[JI7]

3. nobody should be surprised by this

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. I am surprised by this.

Does the Pro-Israeli lobby have that much of a stranglehold on our Congress?

Is that lobby our Democratic version of the Republican NRA?

[JI7]

8. it's an issue where those who oppose it still usually don't have it as a top issue

but mostly the fact is that most americans don't view this as a top issue to vote on.

so it gives the pro israel lobby more influence because lawmakers have nothing to lose .

the opposition is not strong enough and most people vote on other issues that care more about.

warren and boxer are liberals and most liberals are not going to oppose them over this issue.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. Very true

Most people in the US who are opposed to Israel's policies in the Middle East are probably left of center.

I think people like us who follow the Israel/Palestine issue closely care about it more.

Most Americans couldn't even point out Israel on a map.

So when good Senators like Warren and Boxer support arming Israel, they really have nothing to lose.

[Mutiny In Heaven]

70. In that case, they are among the more cowardly senators

It's very simple.

[Comrade Grumpy]

9. Yes, and it's bipartisan.

[leftynyc]

46. Cant' really compare it to the NRA

The NRA's hold on congress is such that even when 90% of the country is for universal background checks, congress does what the NRA wants. From the polling I've seen, congress is merely representing their constituents who strongly support Israel.

[Mojorabbit]

40. I am also surprised.

I always expect to be disappointed as a matter of course but this is not an issue that I would have guessed that any one with a conscience would support.

[IronGate]

4. Hooray for Sen. Boxer and Sen. Warren.

Wonder how long it'll be before they're thrown under the bus by the anti Israeli faction?

[Major Hogwash]

19. 15 minutes.

I don't support the Israelis killing children in the Gaza strip.

I'm just not a warmonger, is all.

[Cha]

36. I'm with you, Major.

[AnalystInParadise]

29. ^This

The one semi-democracy in the region, the one all inclusive nation in the region and some people want to throw shit at them. Fortunately saner members of our caucus aren't going to listen to those opposed to Israel.

[AnalystInParadise]

29. ^This

The one semi-democracy in the region, the one all inclusive nation in the region and some people want to throw shit at them. Fortunately saner members of our caucus aren't going to listen to those opposed to Israel.

[Skidmore]

42. You know, I like both of these women very much

but they are flat out wrong on this one. I would like to withdraw aid from Israel entirely. If it is such a wealthy democracy as I've heard touted on this board and is alright with mass slaughter of children, apartheid, and keeping a whole people in prison, then it is time for them to fend for themselves. I don't want to support this policy. Period.

[morningfog]

7. In other words, 77 Senators want to continue to sponsor Israel's war crimes.

Shame on them all. I am sure the bill will sail through, but shame on them all. Especially to offer it up at this time. Disgusting.

I noticed Sanders hasn't sponsored, though that doesn't mean he won't vote for it. They simply all get it wrong on Israel.

[ann---]

32. Agree with you 100%

Won't vote in any election for any friend of Israel.

[KoKo]

13. Why should Israel be working with US Policy on Energy, Water, Homeland Security and Alternative Fuel

What gives them special priorities on Energy, Water, Homeland Security and Alternative Fuel Technolgies along with expanded Cyber Security. Are we now the "USA/Israel" and will the Israeli's want to re-write our Constitution and Bill of Rights to their favor?

This is quite startling.......BOLD...IN YOUR FACE. What should give Israel these Special Privileges?

• Authorizes the President to carry out cooperation between the U.S. and Israel on a range of policy areas including energy, water, homeland security, and alternative fuel technologies. And it requires the President to study the feasibility of expanding U.S.-Israel cooperation on cyber security.
• Includes new language that encourages the Administration to work with Israel to help the country gain entry into the Visa Waiver Program, which would make it easier for Israeli citizens to travel to the United States without first having to obtain a visa.

[davidpdx]

39. This is one of the rare times I agree with you

In fact I had the same thoughts reading through the article. Each of the things that the bill give them asks for nothing in return. If they really want some (certainly not all) of this then they can stop taking the finger off the button long enough to make forward progress for a few years.

The extra money, the free technology, and cooperation in the different areas. No, fuck that. If they want something, the visa waiver program is the one to hold over their head. It's not that big of a concession, but if we push we could get something for it. Certainly we shouldn't just hand it to them. No one deserves that.

By the way, some background on the visa waiver program. It took South Korea many years to finally get approved for it. There were several issues that South Korea had to improve on before they could be approved including human trafficking, visas overstays, and others that I can't think of off the top of my head. Certainly no country should be given favoritism over others. Korea had to work to get approved for it, so should Israel.

[LWolf]

14. Okay.

Do you have something to say about this?

[MannyGoldstein]

22. Nah. Just his daily wiff at Warren and/or Greenwald

Clearing the way the inevitable one.

[Union Scribe]

24. Prepare Ye the Way of the Clinton! nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Yup, callin all Hillabots!

[Cali_Democrat]

56. That really doesn't make much sense. I'm clearing the way for Hillary?

As I pretty much pointed out a few days ago, Hillary is even more hawkish than Warren:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025308786

I've also stated in the past that I would support Warren over Hillary.

I think you're a little paranoid. My OP was specific to a recent bill that was introduced, your failure to address that issue while trying to attack me is expected and certainly not surprising.

[MannyGoldstein]

66. Doubtless, as you've done in the past, you'll

delete any posts that become inconvenient to your true agenda, e.g.,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5293474

[Cali_Democrat]

67. Aren't you the same person that voted for Reagan and said you'd overturn the election of Obama...

in favor of McCain:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3995915

[LWolf]

112. That's what I thought,

but I also thought it would be courteous of me to give him another opportunity to actually make a point of some kind.

[Trillo]

17. They could add phrases there demanding humane care of

their and surrounding populations. The bill text doesn't seem available right now. It seems the main concern is that a weapons stash be located there. It's first in the list ... most important.

It's so sad our government's world view is that humanity can only be "controlled" "by force."

[conservaphobe]

25. Both are smart and we're lucky to have them in the Senate.

I'm glad we have a party that doesn't kowtow to its extremists.

Hasn't turned out well for the other guys.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

26. No, they just "kowtow" to another countries extremists.

The right-wing of Israel.

[Douglas Carpenter]

72. what could be a greater sign of moderation than Senators who put a foreign country's interest

ahead of our own? Only extremist believe in supporting moderation and fair play in the Middle East

[conservaphobe]

74. Pretty sure Israel can do more for us and Warren/Boxer than anyone in the Gaza Strip. nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

75. Anyone who thinks this kind of blind support for Israel is helping America's influence in the world

is not paying attention at all.

There is simply no question that strident support for Israel by the United States is a major contributing factor that elicits the appeal of anti-Western political movements and is one of the leading causes or perhaps the leading cause of the rise of the modern anti-American Jihadist movement. Military power has simply no possibility whatsoever of reducing the resentment and anger elicited by the Israeli/Palestinian conflict among the word's 1.3 billion Muslims and Arab people who comprise the majorities in 57 countries and significant minorities in many, many more. Of course the U.S. has plenty of other problems in dealing with the Arab/Islamic world. But this is a very big one; not the only one - but a very, very big one.

America's almost blind support for Israel is primarily a combination of outdated cold war ideology and the influence of a militant and ruthless domestic political lobby that is not only pro-Israel, but pro-right wing Israeli. No member of Congress or candidate for the U.S. Congress of either party fears any significant political consequences for publicly and vociferously condemning Saudi Arabia. Conversely, most in fact all but a few members of Congress and candidates for Congress feel hesitant about even fairly mild public criticism of Israel. Even when they do, they inevitably open with a phrase something like this; "First of all, I am a friend of Israel." Even though in real concrete terms Saudi Arabia's security is far more important to America's national interest, I have yet to hear any member of Congress or candidate for Congress open with the phrase, "First of all, I am a friend of Saudi Arabia."

There are those who would say America's interest with Israel is rooted in shared values of democracy and human rights. Well clearly, Israel's treatment of the Palestinians make those words ring rather hollow, to say the least - especially in the region. As Phil Weiss once put it, "When I was young, Israel was proclaimed as 'A light unto the nations' - now it is is, 'well we're better than Syria'.

Let me say though, this strident support is not unlimited. If it were the case, Iran would have probably already been bombed and Jonathan Pollard would have been freed a long time ago. So, it is not absolute. It is possible to defy Israel. But is done very sparingly.

But as long as America is perceived as continually siding with Israel - something which is obviously compounded by the amount of primarily military aid which the U.S. government and bills like this, not anti-Israeli propagandist, claims to be a larger than that provided any other country- ill will toward America will be further facilitated and relationships that are in America's vital national interest will be further strained and further complicated while more misunderstandings contribute in no small way to watering the seed bed of extremism.

[Scootaloo]

28. With a bill like that, you'd think they were pounding the shit out of the US instead of Gaza

[ann---]

31. That is why, after

America's support of this latest display of Israeli terrorism in Gaza, I will NEVER vote for any American politician again. I will write in Jimmy Carter for president only. A vote for American politicians is a vote for Israel and I won't sell my soul to the devil as so many Democrats have done are still doing.

[EX500rider]

84. "I will write in Jimmy Carter for president only."

What's the point of that? He's not running.....might as well right in "Bugs Bunny"

[Cali_Democrat]

97. There are other issues

I consider the Israel/Palestine issue to be important, but it isn't the only issue.

Most Americans probably couldn't find Israel on a map.

I know, it sounds callous for me to put it that way, but it appears 99.99% of Congress is in agreement on that issue.

It's sad and unfortunate, but it is what it is.

[MaggieD]

33. Politicians are sure to disappoint

That's why the faithful have to weigh things so carefully. None of them will ever pass a purity test. This is disappointing, but it is what it is. In the end it's really a test of how many important points of agreement you have with a politician that needs / wants your support.

That's why I support Obama, but don't consider myself an Obamabot (as some are called). I can support him in the main and still disagree on some points. Same with these two. And HRC as well for that matter.

[RandiFan1290]

43. We can always count on the Generals!!

[TBF]

44. This is why folks should consider looking at systemic issues

as opposed to latching on to personalities as if this is the latest American Idol show.

You may think you don't want communism or socialism. Democratic socialism might even make you wonder. But I urge you to do some reading and thinking about what it really means to support capitalism. At the very least think about changes we could work towards right now - limits on election funds, caps on how long folks can serve etc., raising taxes on corporations so we can actually repair our infrastructure.

We can't look for one person to do this for us - we've got to be the movement. You'd think we would have learned this after Obama ...

[Swede Atlanta]

51. They are on my call list today....

No, no, no....

If anything we need to start reducing aid to Israel and make them stand on their own resources...

[99Forever]

52. Well, I'll have to withdraw my support of Warren.

But it damn sure won't go to Clinton.

[treestar]

55. That sounds unrelated for the most part

Visa waivers, trade - it sounds quite generic and could be any country.

[Pisces]

62. Give them nothing until the slaughter of innocent civilians stops. I am sickened that we are funding

this atrocity in even the slightest way.

[TheSarcastinator]

63. more appeal to authority fallacies

from posters who think this method of persuasion is effective rhetoric.

Rather than be swayed in their beliefs by the opinions of their politicians and elected representatives, independent thinkers instead form their own opinions based on critical analysis and research. Just because YOU are easily swayed by the opinions of "heroes" doesn't mean all of us indulge in such worshipful sycophancy.

[stevenleser]

78. It's actually the opposite. It's a criticism of those senators.

Or at the very least, a statement from OP suggesting that every successful politician makes moves out of a sense of pragmatism.

OP was not trying to suggest that this validates pro-Israel policies.

[Fred Sanders]

69. America does not need a Warren or a Clinton, it needs an Obama supported by people. First the

support, then we get the Obama we want, he has always said that.

What can he do with a 100 to 0 Senate and a media allowed to run roughshod over truth?

Sometimes I think the white knight we all want has to be the reluctant black man, even without the support.

[Douglas Carpenter]

71. okay, NOW you have convinced me - I will no more support Warren than I would support Clinton

in the primaries. Although I gather Warren was not going to run anyway. I will no longer think of her as a leading progressive voice. I know that any American politicians who seriously challenges the state of Israel is likely to have their careers destroyed by Israel's supporters who put Israel's interest ahead of all else - so I won't fault members of Congress too much if they don't speak out as loudly as they should or if they go along with what everyone is expected to go along with if they want to keep their position - we ALL know what will happen to their careers if they are not careful. EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE KNOWS!!! But actively going this far for Israel at a time like this changes the picture for me. It is tripping over oneself to reward aggression. I am no longer an Elizabeth Warren fan. I will no longer donate to her campaigns or PACs. This is going too far.

BTW: Sen. Brown, Sherrod [D-OH]* is a cosponsor too. He feels free to denounce American military aggression - but trips over himself to reward Israeli military aggression.

[Cali_Democrat]

82. What the hell?

I'd even support Warren over Hillary in a primary, but that's a long way off.

Not sure why you think my post is to try and get you to support Hillary over Warren.

Hillary is even more hawkish than Warren.

[Douglas Carpenter]

86. well obviously you have been trying to put a dampener on the idea of a Warren candidacy

Since Sen. Warren has been trying to put a dampener on that idea too, I suppose that is fair enough. I would have to say that if Warren is prepared to go so far out of her way as to cosponsor a bill so extreme as this at a time like this - I can no longer give her the kind of support I have in the past

[Cali_Democrat]

87. "obviously" I have been trying to put a dampener on a Warren candidacy?

Who you support is up to you. I have also been critical of Hillary when it comes to Israel and Iran.

Perhaps you missed my recent post....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025308786

None of my posts have to do with 2016. I am a staunch opponent of Israel's actions and my posts are pointing out that Israel's actions have almost total support and that shouldn't happen.

My post has nothing to do with 2016.

Frankly, your reply is just plain odd.

You do realize that there's a 2014 election, right? Why are you so focused on 2016?

[Douglas Carpenter]

89. why am I focused on 2016? Now that is an odd thing for you to say.

[Cali_Democrat]

90. 2014 comes before 2016

The fact that you think my OP has something to do with 2016 is ridiculous.

[n2doc]

80. Money Talks

And it doesn't take all that much, in the grand scheme of things, either.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025315712

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

83. Ugh. Blood on their hands.

[MineralMan]

85. Elizabeth Warren under the bus, too,

along with Bernie Sanders. Both support Israel. Elizabeth Warren recently refused to answer a reporter's question on Gaza. She simply walked away.

[betterdemsonly]

92. Warren is a lightweight on foriegn policy

though she would be an improvement on economics. Liberal foreign policy people haven't mastered the art of befriending baby democrats like the neocon quacks have.

[MirrorAshes]

98. Al Franken, Sherrod Brown, and Sheldon Whitehouse also co-sponsored.

3 more of my favorites.

I'm not saying this to diminish anything, but evidently this was a bill most of our darlings signed on to, which is distressing.

Bernie Sanders is the only one off the top of my head who ISNT on it, that we look to as a true progressive. Yet another reason we need his voice in the debate.

[msanthrope]

100. Well, well....another Warren retweet by Glen Greenwald. How interesting. nt

[bigwillq]

105. Yuck.

Stop giving Israel money, aid, weapons, etc.


This Israel love fest is sickening.

Shame on you, Boxer and Warren.