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Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:36 PM

 

Men without shirts...no problem. ..women without shirts..against the law.

Equality is just a silly word.

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Reply Men without shirts...no problem. ..women without shirts..against the law. (Original post)
trumad Aug 2014 OP
In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #1
upaloopa Aug 2014 #2
redqueen Aug 2014 #10
Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #39
Alittleliberal Aug 2014 #76
yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #81
kickitup Aug 2014 #3
PasadenaTrudy Aug 2014 #101
Squinch Aug 2014 #103
PasadenaTrudy Aug 2014 #106
Squinch Aug 2014 #107
PasadenaTrudy Aug 2014 #109
kickitup Aug 2014 #105
brooklynite Aug 2014 #4
JaneyVee Aug 2014 #5
Atman Aug 2014 #6
nilram Aug 2014 #63
Atman Aug 2014 #95
nilram Aug 2014 #111
snooper2 Aug 2014 #96
nilram Aug 2014 #104
KurtNYC Aug 2014 #7
Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #60
immoderate Aug 2014 #8
Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #9
treestar Aug 2014 #46
Jim Lane Aug 2014 #78
tblue37 Aug 2014 #112
Iggo Aug 2014 #11
treestar Aug 2014 #47
LittleBlue Aug 2014 #59
PersonNumber503602 Aug 2014 #97
NuclearDem Aug 2014 #102
LeftyMom Aug 2014 #12
trumad Aug 2014 #17
LeftyMom Aug 2014 #27
trumad Aug 2014 #41
Squinch Aug 2014 #79
JackRiddler Aug 2014 #13
Buns_of_Fire Aug 2014 #16
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In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #25
Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #28
redqueen Aug 2014 #31
Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #33
redqueen Aug 2014 #34
Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #37
redqueen Aug 2014 #42
Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #68
Squinch Aug 2014 #80
hfojvt Aug 2014 #14
treestar Aug 2014 #49
steve2470 Aug 2014 #15
Quantess Aug 2014 #18
trumad Aug 2014 #19
H2O Man Aug 2014 #20
steve2470 Aug 2014 #22
TIMETOCHANGE Aug 2014 #55
steve2470 Aug 2014 #56
Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #61
steve2470 Aug 2014 #62
Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #64
rug Aug 2014 #65
steve2470 Aug 2014 #67
Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #26
Squinch Aug 2014 #82
HiddenInVA Aug 2014 #21
steve2470 Aug 2014 #23
Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #24
reflection Aug 2014 #29
redqueen Aug 2014 #35
reflection Aug 2014 #40
Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #30
Squinch Aug 2014 #85
Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #90
Squinch Aug 2014 #92
Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #94
Squinch Aug 2014 #98
Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #108
Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #32
CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #38
redqueen Aug 2014 #36
trumad Aug 2014 #43
redqueen Aug 2014 #44
riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #48
Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #74
riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #45
whistler162 Aug 2014 #50
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #51
PasadenaTrudy Aug 2014 #100
randome Aug 2014 #52
HockeyMom Aug 2014 #53
randome Aug 2014 #54
WillowTree Aug 2014 #57
Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #58
Ohio Joe Aug 2014 #66
sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #69
randome Aug 2014 #70
onecaliberal Aug 2014 #71
trumad Aug 2014 #72
Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #73
Brigid Aug 2014 #75
woolldog Aug 2014 #77
Squinch Aug 2014 #89
madokie Aug 2014 #83
JTFrog Aug 2014 #84
trumad Aug 2014 #86
JTFrog Aug 2014 #87
trumad Aug 2014 #91
steve2470 Aug 2014 #88
badtoworse Aug 2014 #93
LadyHawkAZ Aug 2014 #99
craigmatic Aug 2014 #110
NickB79 Aug 2014 #113
trumad Aug 2014 #114

Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:43 PM

1. Indeed

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:44 PM

2. In New York City and San Francisco women do not

have to wear tops I think but most do not because they have to but because guys act like idiots I think.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:08 PM

10. Yep. This right here.

Equality is nice but an end to patriarchy is what we really need.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:23 PM

39. I have always been more concerned with justice and mercy.

Equality is just a mathematical term and has little meaning to me outside of equations.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:52 PM

76. As long as they aren't being photographed I beleive

But that could just be some bullshit my friend told me when we were 7.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 08:57 AM

81. "and San Francisco women do not

have to wear tops..." who sez?

When did this law pass?? I live where there is fog, if you wanta freeze.. just go without a top in the fog.. omg!! No..I bundle up cause its freaking cold!!!

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:46 PM

3. I still remember the day my mother made me start wearing a shirt to play outside.

I had an older brother who went shirtless quite a bit when playing outside and I always followed his lead. Until that one horrid day, when she told me I had to wear a shirt. I threw an absolute fit, cried, and yelled that it wasn't fair. Still had to wear the shirt, though.

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Response to kickitup (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 12:16 PM

101. You MUST hear this song then

It is about this exactly...

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Response to PasadenaTrudy (Reply #101)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 01:19 PM

103. I KNEW that would be the song, before I even clicked!

Isn't it a great one?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #103)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 02:29 PM

106. Lol!

Yes. I bet a lot of us can relate to it

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Response to PasadenaTrudy (Reply #106)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 03:19 PM

107. It is a great song, but it's actually very sad. It does show well how whole chunks of both men and

women are ground away by expectations that have no purpose.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #107)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 07:08 PM

109. It is sad...

I agree. Sad but true.

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Response to PasadenaTrudy (Reply #101)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 02:15 PM

105. Thank you - I loved it.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:49 PM

4. That's not alway's true

NYC has no restriction on women without tops.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:49 PM

5. Not here in NYC.

 

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:52 PM

6. NY just allowed a big nude body painting event.

It's not in all cities. In fact, Vermont has no anti-nudity laws at all. We'll, until some 80 year old guy in Brattleboro screwed things up and walked through a local town street fair butt-naked, wearing just a fanny pack. Wrong on so many levels...the town eventually put in place an ordinance banning nudity on city streets. Dumb...ban naked 80 year men with fanny packs on city streets. But everyone?

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Response to Atman (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:47 PM

63. Yeah, because ageism, looksism and fanny-pack-ism is okay.

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Response to nilram (Reply #63)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:48 AM

95. Yeah, that was the point.

It was a joke. Sheesh...there's one on every DU thread.

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Response to Atman (Reply #95)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:51 AM

111. Yeah, like that was so clear.

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Response to nilram (Reply #63)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:54 AM

96. I expect you to show up next time somebody makes fun of Mitch Mcconnell

 

for his goofy ass looking like a turtle...

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #96)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 02:04 PM

104. I don't troll for those references, but I don't like that either, or

making fun of Ann Coulter's looks.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:53 PM

7. In many places it is not illegal

San Antonio

"I've seen men who have bigger breasts than some women," she said. "They're out there flopping around and it's legal."

She says the demonstration has been held over the last several summers in Austin, but this year they are moving to San Antonio, because laws in the Alamo City are considered 'more restrictive.'

"It's not illegal, but there is a possibility that police could arrest (the topless women' for other things," Newman said.

She says in addition to achieving gender equality, the group's motive is also to 'desexualize' breast feeding in public, which she says still is 'shamed' in some places.


http://www.woai.com/articles/woai-local-news-sponsored-by-five-star-cleaners-119078/topless-women-to-demonstrate-in-san-antonio-12621806/#ixzz39ATBKX7S

NYC

In the cold of February, as New York City police officers gathered for their daily orders at roll call, they were given a rather unusual command, for both its timing and its substance: If they happened upon a topless woman, they were not to arrest her.

The command was read at 10 consecutive roll calls. Each of the city’s 34,000 officers, in theory, got the message: For “simply exposing their breasts in public,” women are guilty of no crime.
...
Even if the topless display draws a lot of attention, officers are to “give a lawful order to disperse the entire crowd and take enforcement action” against those who do not comply, the memo says. “Whether the individuals are clothed is not a factor in making a determination about whether the above-mentioned crowd conditions exist.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/16/nyregion/a-police-roll-call-reminder-women-may-go-topless.html?_r=0

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:21 PM

60. Been legal in Austin for decades. After a woman rode her bike topless

 

through Hyde Park (Austin) and was arrested, a muny judge through the case out, citing equal protection of the law. So it's legal by case law in Moscow-on-the-Colorado.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:53 PM

8. Yeah! And then think about how many can piss in the same bowl!

 

Is that superiority or what?

--imm


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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:04 PM

9. Would passing the Equal Rights Amendment strike down such laws?

Any constitutional lawyers care to opine?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:42 PM

46. I'm not that but I think it might

They'd have to show a reasonable state interest in having a different rule for women. And that would be tough to articulate.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 05:57 AM

78. The first question is whether the Equal Protection Clause is a basis for striking down such laws.

 

Last edited Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:09 AM - Edit history (1)

The Equal Protection Clause in the Fourteenth Amendment has been used to invalidate several statutes that treated the sexes differently. Where a state statute or municipal ordinance prohibits women but not men from appearing topless in public, has it been upheld against an Equal Protection Clause challenge?

At least one judge has concluded that such laws violate the Equal Protection Clause. In People v. Santorelli, 80 N.Y.2d 875 (1992), the law was challenged on Equal Protection grounds. New York's highest court avoided the issue by holding that the statute was aimed at discouraging topless waitresses and did not apply to the noncommercial toplessness in the case before it. In a concurring opinion, Judge Titone rejected that argument. He concluded that the statute did apply to this conduct. He therefore had to reach the constitutional question, and his conclusion was that the statute was unconstitutional.

My guess is that many such statutes have not been challenged, because not all that many women want to go topless in public (even if they want other women to have that right). To assess the effect if the ERA were ratified, you would have to see whether this form of sex discrimination has been upheld on grounds that would still be valid under the ERA.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #78)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:56 AM

112. That Judge had to have that name, didn't he? nt

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:09 PM

11. DECRIMINALZE THE FEMALE BREAST RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!

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Response to Iggo (Reply #11)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:42 PM

47. I'M CALLING CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!!!!

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Response to treestar (Reply #47)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:15 PM

59. ME TOO!

 

THIS IS AN INJUSTICE THAT MUST END!!!!!

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #59)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 11:11 AM

97. I JUST LIKE HAVING AN EXCUSE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS!!!!

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Response to Iggo (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 12:28 PM

102. I WANT IN ON THIS ALL CAPS ACTION TOO

 

RIGHT FUCKING NOW

FUCK OLIVE GARDEN

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:11 PM

12. As if street harassment weren't bad enough already.

Sorry guys, as much as you want getting a peek at my tits to be my feminist priority, I'm much more interested in equal pay.

Wanna start some more threads demanding topless protests too?

We get it: you want to see some boobs.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #12)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:35 PM

17. and good for you

 

You want to keep your shirt on that's your right.

What about a woman who doesn't want to keep in on?

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Response to trumad (Reply #17)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:52 PM

27. Not interested in your stupid idea. Sorry. nt

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:28 PM

41. It's not an idea...

 

Let me just say from the get go---I really don't give a fuck if you are not interested in what I say. really.

With that said... I think its bullshit that women do not have the same rights as a guy when it comes to this shit.

Oh---did I tell you that I don't give a shit if you are interested or not....?

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Response to trumad (Reply #41)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 08:52 AM

79. And, as is being shown, women often do have equal rights to toplessness, and most do not feel

that their right to toplessness is an important element in their fight for equality.

To say that the issue of inconsistent laws about toplessness negates the validity of the desire for equality is silly. As I am sure you know.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:13 PM

13. Not in New York City.

 



I'm not sure DU would allow posting a picture of her from the other side, however.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #13)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:22 PM

16. (Not shown is the following picture of a five-taxi pileup...) nt

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:49 PM

25. !

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #13)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:53 PM

28. And some DUers in this thread are advocating for that woman to be arrested.

I see a woman exercising her right to free choice.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #28)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:01 PM

31. Link?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #33)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:06 PM

34. lol, that is a complete mischaracterization of her post.

What a shamelessly dishonest post.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #34)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:16 PM

37. That post is stating that female toplessness should remain illegal (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #37)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:33 PM

42. No, it's stating that due to ubiquitous sexual harassment,

most women wouldn't spend even a few seconds thinking about whether to do this

A few do, and more power to them. They have more tolerance for assholes than most.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #42)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:17 PM

68. Birds of a feather tend to flock together. Old adage

Has stood the test of time.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #28)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 08:54 AM

80. The post you give as an example says nothing of the kind. But way to let the voice in your head

override reality!

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:18 PM

14. What about men without hats? Is that safe?

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #14)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:45 PM

49. lol

Now that song reminds me only of the episode of Beavis and Butthead where they watch this video and Butthead declares: "He says he can dance, but he like, can't. Huhuhuh."

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:18 PM

15. Palm Beach Florida tried to make it illegal for EVERYONE.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5311261

The city ordinance was struck down as unconstitutional.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:36 PM

18. There's too much sexual harrassment on public streets going on

for that idea to even be entertained for more than 2 seconds.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #18)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:36 PM

19. so...This will be forever?

 

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Response to trumad (Reply #19)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:39 PM

20. So long as

most men believe that women should be obscene, but not heard, it will.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:43 PM

22. once breasts have been de-sexualized in America, things will get better

Until then, I don't see most places legalizing this for women. I think MOST men could be appropriate but there's always the idiots who ruin it.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 05:59 PM

55. I'm sorry but I think there are too many idiots that will ruin it.

 

I'm all for it. No skin off my teeth. But there are too many scum bags at my gym that ogle women unrepentently (yes I like to look but it's like looking at the sun, you get two seconds than move on). Give women the option, but I don't think it will go well.

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Response to TIMETOCHANGE (Reply #55)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:01 PM

56. once breasts are regarded ONLY for feeding infants....

I think only men with that particular fetish would cause women any grief. Right now breasts are still highly sexualized for many men.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:39 PM

61. The article mentioned de-sexualizing breasts for feeding...

 

...but not for other purposes. Do you favor a general de-sexualizing of breasts? Would this extend to rear ends, or only parts deemed legal for uncovering?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #61)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:46 PM

62. Hmm.....

I don't know how to answer your question. I guess a better solution is for we men to internalize appropriate behavior upon viewing naked breasts, sexualized or not. I'm referring to public behavior, of course.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #62)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:08 PM

64. That is a better approach, to internalize. Otherwise,

 

I am a big fan of the holy thunderers, and breasts as well. And frankly, flat bellies are not my thing, either.


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Response to steve2470 (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:14 PM

65. You don't have to desexualize breasts to achieve fairness.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #65)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:15 PM

67. you are correct, upon further reflection nt

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Response to Quantess (Reply #18)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:51 PM

26. That argument works just as well for a law to ban mini skirts.

Shouldn't women have the right to choose?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #26)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 08:59 AM

82. Who ever said they don't? You are imposing something on Quantess's statement that isn't there.

I wonder if you know you are doing that, and I wonder if you know why you are doing that.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:39 PM

21. A bit of a fence-sitter...

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is.

Now, I have two daughters (say it up front), but I've never quite figured out what the big deal
(why people get so bent out of shape) is abt girls/women wanting to take their tops off, etc.

As has been said, a guy peels his shirt off when out doing yard-work? Mehh...
Older girl or woman does it? OMG!!! Really?

If it's hot, it's hot. Yeah, I know the gals sweat too. Me doing yard work? I burn easily, so I'm
not going to be working w/o my top, but my 6 y/o came out and was fussing abt how hot she
was. "Well, take off your shirt."
"Daddy, I can't do that!"
"Why not? You're 6..."

The whole sexualizing everything is part of the problem... not sure who gets the most blame,
though it can be spread around a bit.

Want to breast-feed? Knock yourself out. Hot? Take it off. Can't say that I'm not going to look
(hey, I'm a guy), but leering? No, not a perv.

Law types need to worry more about solving the real issues with society, and not worrying
about whether somebody's boob is showing...

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:45 PM

23. CALL CONGRESS RIGHT.....oh....sorry *sheepish grin*

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:47 PM

24. Tell it to the MPAA

 

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:55 PM

29. Agree.

http://gotopless.org/

They're just nipples. The double standard is ridiculous.

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Response to reflection (Reply #29)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:07 PM

35. The double standard is due to ubiquitous sexual objectification. Did you see the map on that site?

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Response to redqueen (Reply #35)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:26 PM

40. Yes.

It's legal most places yet you don't see women, say, enjoying a nice sunny day without a top.

I'm sure a great deal is sexual objectification, as you say. I'm also sure a lot of women wouldn't be comfortable doing it even if they thought they weren't going to be ogled. Habits and social mores are slow to change.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:00 PM

30. Why give away for free what some would pay good money to see? nt

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 09:04 AM

85. Ah, of course. It's just because we all want to charge people money to look at our breasts.

That's why we wear shirts.

Now tell me all about how much respect you have for women and what a feminist you are.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #85)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 09:40 AM

90. "Now tell me all about what a feminist you are."

I dunno, which is the right kind of feminist? The kind that seeks to legitimize sex work as a viable choice for women or the kind that believes sex work further objectifies women? Spare me the pretention that there is a monolithic definition of "Feminist." I'll define who I am as a person and what makes me a feminist -- not you or anyone else. And that alone makes me a feminist. I'm not here to live in the box you built for yourself.

If someone wants to walk around with the goodies out for all to see that's them. The fact remains that the nude female form is a commodity whose exposure is traded for money. The men who do so don't spend their lives in dark, smoke-filled strip clubs, they also walk the streets. Whether its viable work for a woman is beside the point, the oglers will now be ogling -- for free. That is the sub-text to my comment, albeit delivered with a twist of humor and irony.

I'll argue that the state should NOT be using force to stop women from walking around topless long before I'll argue whether or not its a gender equality or sexual objectification issue. Cops should be out doing more important shit, like busting people who are slipping date rape drugs into alcoholic beverages given to minors and then proceeding to sexually assault those minors.

If you want to talk public decency I will readily state without apology that there are some breasts just weren't meant to be seen in public. Large, grotesque, flopping pendulous things. My dad, for instance. Let me know when you want to pass an ordinance for mandatory back and moob shaving.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #90)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 09:52 AM

92. This has nothing to do with public decency. This has to do with you saying, "Why give away for free

what some would pay good money to see?"

This has nothing to do with legitimizing sex work, which isn't even part of this discussion, but nice straw man to throw in there randomly. This has to do with you suggesting that the reason women wear shirts is because they could make some good money showing their boobs, so of course all women are going to want to do that.

This has nothing to do with humor and irony. This has to do with a comment that you probably don't even realize shows, in neon lights, a deep and astonishing disrespect for an entire sex.

If you had bothered to read through this thread, you would understand that in most places it is NOT illegal for women to go topless. There are only three states in which it is, so this is not really all that pressing an issue, and no one is objecting to its legality. And thanks for letting us know that you really think that women going topless should be legal (which it mostly is), but not if they have large pendulous things like your dad's.


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Response to Squinch (Reply #92)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:13 AM

94. Your rage is a mile wide and an inch deep.

I wasn't commenting on the legitimacy of sex work, I was commenting on the fact there is no singular definition of "feminist" and I am not beholden to whichever definition you take for yourself. I said as much and you chose to miss it completely.


This has to do with a comment that you probably don't even realize shows, in neon lights, a deep and astonishing disrespect for an entire sex.

Oh, get over yourself.

Women are sexually objectified. Their breasts are part of that. Those who objectify women aren't confined to strip clubs, they're on the streets every day -- as I said before. I am absolutely correct in that observation and I am not the first person in this thread to make note of that fact. Which, by the way, invalidates your complaint --

If you had bothered to read through this thread...


Speaking of not reading: Nowhere have I argued for maintaining laws against female public toplessness. I have stated just the opposite; that I do not believe it is a proper role for the police. If you had bothered to read what you're supposedly responding to you would accept that statement on its merits. I presume you agree the police should be pursuing rapists rather than topless women.

The absence of a sense of humor is your problem, not mine. If you're so desperate for a fight then step outside. If I'm not there in 5 minutes, start without me.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #94)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 11:12 AM

98. Oh, Nuclear, you can sidestep and straw man all you like, but your words speak for themselves: "Why

give away for free what someone would pay good money to see?" In response to the question of why women don't go topless in public.

Loud and clear, though you appear completely unaware of what you are communicating.

I'm sure you will need to have the last word here, so enjoy, but "Why give away for free what someone would pay good money to see?" is all anyone needs to see to know what you think of women in general.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #98)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 05:04 PM

108. If your rage depends on finding hidden meanings in words even after the plain meaning

has been repeatedly explained to you the problem is yours. You're either delusional or dishonest in your desperation to win. Not my problem, yours. Will you settle for a kewpie doll?

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:02 PM

32. I don't get it. Republicans have no problem

showing their boobs in public.


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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #32)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:18 PM

38. I always felt that making fun of that last picture is is childish

Are some folks really so childish that a picture of a woman eating anything cylindrical causes them to act like Beavis and Butthead?

By the same token the OP probably does not really care about equality so much as wishes women would take their tops off.

While America may make too much of a fuss about nudity I happen to like the female form from one end to the other so the idea of completely desexualizing the female breast is not what I would consider progress. Just because breasts are made for babies and buttocks are for sitting upon does not mean men should not have an appreciation for them.

I think we can mature in our attitudes without neutering our desires.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:11 PM

36. As long as women are viewed and treated as sex objects

few women will be able to comfortably enjoy going around topless. It is legal in many places around the US.

As has been explained repeatedly, it isn't just laws stopping women from walking around topless.

This isn't a difficult concept to understand.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #36)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:34 PM

43. I understand that...

 

and I hope you know where I'm coming from.

I saw a couple today on the local walking trail. The guy had no shirt on and the woman--- of course--- had a shirt on. It got me thinking what if it was the opposite. Sure I know she would have been harassed by knucklehead guys---but I think she would have been arrested as well.

I think that's bullshit.

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Response to trumad (Reply #43)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:38 PM

44. It is bullshit, no doubt.

But changing laws won't fix it.

In most places she'd be arrested not for going topless, but for causing a disturbance.

This situation illustrates the need for radical feminism. Liberal feminism alone cannot affect the changes necessary for women to enjoy the same freedom as men.

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Response to trumad (Reply #43)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:43 PM

48. I lived for a year in Bondi Beach Australia, a notorious topless surf beach

 

No guy ever acted inappropriately (and I was a 23 year old 110 lb 36D blonde topless surfer)

A lot of it is social conditioning in my experience.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #36)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 09:38 PM

74. And yet, every year 10K people in Portland get completely naked and bike ride through the city

approximately half of them, female.

I think there's a different factor you're not considering, and that is the level to which people give -or, in the case of some, don't give- a shit what others think.


http://www.oregonlive.com/multimedia/index.ssf/2014/06/photos_video_portland_world_na.html

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:39 PM

45. In fairness there are laws regulating what men and women can wear in public

 

For example, neither men nor women can legally go topless in court. As a society "we" have always been invested in regulating public dress.

Its true though, there have always been far more laws about what women can wear than men however.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:47 PM

50. Simple, outlaw men without shirts.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:49 PM

51. Go buy a Playboy and have over it it. Geez. nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #51)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 12:13 PM

100. Lol, seriously....n/t

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:51 PM

52. I wish more women would say 'Fuck off! I'll do what I want!'

 

That's the only way the patriarchy will get the message.

Not for my own titillation, either.
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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 05:30 PM

53. Afraid to breastfeed a baby in public

Hello, that is what breasts are FOR. Do men fear urinating in a restroom around other men?

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #53)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 05:32 PM

54. Some do. Rest room etiquette among men can sometimes be a little odd.

 

But I agree completely with you. Where's the harm in doing something that's natural?
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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:13 PM

57. Well, it's like this.

Women don't tend to get an uncontrollable wideon when they view a man's unclothed upper body which tends to lead, at a minimum, to them behaving in a manner way beyond "inappropriate".

And that's for starters.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:14 PM

58. What is your opinion on stretch marks and

How do you feel about five car pile ups?

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:15 PM

66. Move to Ohio...

At least it was legal in Columbus when I lived there.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:27 PM

69. What is the problem here?

Just make a law that men are not allowed to be topless, and you solved the equality problem.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #69)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:44 PM

70. That's coming at it from a different angle. Another poster made the same suggestion.

 

I remember the 70s when a guy could walk into a grocery store or even a McDonald's shirtless and no one would bat an eyelash.

This country still has some work to do to rid itself of the Conservative mindset that is afraid -oh, so afraid- of so many things.
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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:06 PM

71. When women can walk the streets clothed

And face harassment from men it's doubtful that many women would want to be topless in public. Maybe when some men learn how to respect women and understand we are their equal and far more than just sexual beings perhaps things would change.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #71)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:32 PM

72. agree

 

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 09:33 PM

73. Men without Hats

can go where they want to.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:35 PM

75. Be that as it may . . .

When I go out, I'm going to get dressed. And take a shower too. Ain't civilization grand?

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Aug 1, 2014, 11:09 PM

77. I agree.

 

It's a law that must be changed.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #77)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 09:31 AM

89. It is only illegal in 3 states, so it isn't all that pressing. See the link at Redqueen's post:

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 09:00 AM

83. I go without my shirt all the time

Not sure my wife would want to though. Her breast is way bigger than my little puny titties so they need some support otherwise she'd probably be all for it on some of these hot ass days. Most days I don't ever wear undies at all, too damn warm but of course that is getting off topic and a tad more than most would care to know anyways. mybad

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 09:02 AM

84. I wondered why someone recently asked the men's group to restore your posting privileges.

 

Probably not your intention, but then again...a couple OP's lately make one wonder.







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Response to JTFrog (Reply #84)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 09:12 AM

86. Oh horseshit...

 

Is this how you read this Op You read this as trumad wanting to see tits on the street? Really?

You're trolling for a reaction from me and I guess it worked.

And and as for reinstating me to the Mens group... please do.. my life expectancy would be 2 minutes.

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Response to trumad (Reply #86)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 09:13 AM

87. Yea, I'm trolling you.

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/111414110#post5

Not that I haven't shown my support for you in the past or anything.

I'm just trolling.

Good call.

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #87)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 09:41 AM

91. Well your post to me was bullshit.

 

Last edited Sat Aug 2, 2014, 04:02 PM - Edit history (1)

And totally off the mark.

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Response to trumad (Reply #86)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 09:17 AM

88. yea I asked, Trumad

No offense meant, of course.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:11 AM

93. I had a post hidden because of a video that featured a topless woman.

 

The video was a commercial for men's underwear and had the woman copying some less than classy male behavior. Very funny video, but hiding it seemed a bit hypocritical to me.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 12:09 PM

99. Butbut teh menz might giggle, or something!

Exposed breasts are only for breastfeeding, when someone else needs them! Exposing them by choice and for a woman's own enjoyment, because she wants to, is only for stretch marks, not breasts!

Sheesh, you talk like we owned the damned things, or something. Get with the program!

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 07:15 PM

110. If women want to show boobs for equality let them. I don't have a dog in the fight.

 

I'm an ass man myself.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:35 AM

113. That's obscene!

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #113)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 08:07 AM

114. Yep---

 

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