If They Arrest The Motherfucker The "Rioting" Will Stop!

[Solomon]

"Rioting" is in quotation marks because it's so much fucking better to hurt property when filled with rage than it is to go door to door killing people. People questioning the looting can kiss my ass. Some people, I don't want to point any fingers, have a history of lynching people when filled with rage. Goddamn your precious fucking property. Is it too much to ask to have murderers arrested? It's bad enough that they ain't going to get convicted, but can we get a goddamned arrest? And assholes are running their pieholes about why looting is stupid. KISS MY ASS! Keep on talking shit. One day you going to wish it's looting instead of something else.

End of rant. (Until I hear the next asshole pissing me off) We can never even get a fucking arrest without burning up shit. And assholes are questioning why the looting.

[KG]

1. i dint see 'rioting' on live streams. just citizens exercizing 1A and getting assaulted.

[edgineered]

2. There are many

who used to talk that crap around me at work. I'm the only liberal around here but no one evens dares talk like that around me anymore. Good rant.

[Baitball Blogger]

3. That's a point where not everyone will agree.

Even people committed to Civil Rights causes have been known to question the commitment and motivation of the looters.

Activists or Opportunists? If it waters down the message, how can it be helpful?

I would prefer to see them spray painting messages of freedom on the buildings, rather than see them loot.

[Solomon]

5. I dont give a rats ass if you dont agree. Even people committed to civil rights know

goddamned well why people burn and loot. Don't be naive. What the fuck is so goddamned hard about arresting a motherfucker? Hunh? Can you answer that? What the fuck is the problem? And don't give me that "he was armed with the sidewalk" bullshit since in this case, he never made it to a sidewalk.

[Baitball Blogger]

9. We all want the policeman who assassinated Michael Brown brought to justice.

So let's not confuse that part of the argument.

What we're debating has to do with the effectiveness of looting to achieve that purpose, right?

Wouldn't it make more sense to march in protest, as in Selma, rather than to perform a criminal act that will play right into the police's hands?

[Solomon]

13. What makes sense is doing whatever it takes to get the motherfucker arrested.

If burning property is necessary to make that happen, then so fucking be it. Marching in "free speech" zones ain't gonna make that happen.in the year 2014. Sorry that's uncomfortable for you, but enough is fucking enough.

[nomorenomore08]

21. +1000000

[RKP5637]

35. Civil rights and Justice never come easy in the US. The people know the system is corrupt

and broken, and works against them. So often in the US civil rights and justice have only been served once people assembled and went over the top. Being nice generally never works.

[TheKentuckian]

29. The only reason all the marching around with signs, going to jail, and getting the hoses and dogs

worked at all is the less discussed other alternative that allowed folks like King to be negotiated with.

Power never gives peaceably, not truly. Power will negotiate to keep power but even the most peaceful will be regarded and treated as radicals until there are some real radicals that constitute a real threat to transform the peaceful into moderates that can be worked with.

Peaceful marching around with correctly spelled signs and getting your fair share of abuse has never done a damn thing on its own in this country, that is sanitized bullshit to keep you dreaming, saying baaaaa, living a delusion, and trying to keep going despite the frustration of the impotence of knowing you really are just taking a stroll that might get you jailed, beaten, or killed so people stop bothering to even do that.

[Hippo_Tron]

67. What exactly is it that forced power to negotiate with King at all?

Certainly they were better armed than those real radicals. Why didn't they just shoot them all?

[cwydro]

46. So difficult to be reasonable on DU these days.

Better to use the word "motherfucker" as often as possible and sound really, really tough and cool.

[NOLALady]

28. I am a veteran of the Civil Rights

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movement. It was common knowledge that many of the "rioters and looters" were plants. I have no reason to believe that anything has changed.

I doubt if they are Activists or Opportunists. I suspect plants to give the PTB an excuse to mow them down. I could be wrong, but that's JMHO!

[RKP5637]

37. Agree! This occurs all the time, planted provocateurs. The "system" does not play nicely. That

was one of my first thoughts ... and MSM is always more than willing to advance the cause of provocateurs, seldom questions asked and hardly ever any real investigative reporting. MSM is a tool.

[malaise]

42. This

It was common knowledge that may of the "rioters and looters" were plants. I have no reason to believe that anything has changed.

One of my worries is what happens when the owners and operators of private prisons want some 'work' done?

[Baitball Blogger]

62. +1

[uponit7771]

66. +1

[morningfog]

56. Oh I don't think it waters the message down. It ignites it

for all to see.

[Hoyt]

4. Good point. Property can be replaced.

[Evergreen Emerald]

52. By whom?

The owners of the small businesses can't afford to rebuild. And, they did nothing to deserve the destruction of their livelihood.

I understand rage. I don't understand advocating for taking the rage out on innocent people.

[Travis_0004]

55. It can

Lets just see if it is. If I owned a business, I would do a lot of searching to see if there is a better location to go to before I rebuilt.

[Hoyt]

65. You guys are right, shoot them, they don't matter.

Do I need a sarcasm thingie?

[marble falls]

71. Unfortunately, yes. Trust me, your post got looked at and if you hadn't asked the question ...

you'd be looking at a jury result.

[freshwest]

6. People are still derailing threads that way today? I thought they'd learned in earlier threads.

The issue is death and abuse but some have wanted to turn it around to fit the 'thug' meme.

If anyone wants peace, it won't work without wanting justice first. He should be arrested, but it's very hard to do that, it usually takes years.

The people need to be shown that they are safe from him and that there will be consequences. At this rate, he'll be out of the country by the time anything gets done.

Every action the cops have taken since the beginning has just made things worse. I feel bad for the people living in and around that town.

[alcibiades_mystery]

7. There is no rioting. This is a fucking POLICE RIOT.

The governor, and if not, the President, needs to step in and stop these lunatic police from attacking the citizens of this town.

The cops have lost they damn minds.

[GReedDiamond]

19. Yes, exactly, it is a police riot...

...they are out of control, the Feds need to step in.

National Guard needs to rein in the local militarized cops.

This is way-crazy shit by the cops in Ferguson.

Or, more practically, reveal the name of the murdering cop, indict him, charge him with murder...and the people of Ferguson will most likely stand down without Federal intervention.

[Solomon]

10. You still dont get it do you. Because its not happening to you. There is no way I can express to y

the rage that I feel. I want to hurt someone. Do you understand that? I really don't think you do. Would you prefer that property get burned or people? Hunh? You have absolutely no concept of the "death by a thousand cuts" existence that black folk in this country live day by day, do you? We have to watch white guys point guns at law enforcement and see law enforcement back down while gunning down unarmed black males day after day. You have absolutely no idea of the rage generated by that. But go right ahead and stay on your high horse.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

11. Has the police even taken the statement of the main witness yet?

If not, the chief of police must be completely high on drugs.

[Solomon]

14. Fuck no they haven't talked to fhe witnesses.

Their bent on further enraging is by claiming the guy was trying to get into the police car and grab the cop's gun.

I thought the Trayvon Martin case was bad enough with the idea that he doubled back to attack Zimmerman after trying to get away from him. NOW THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE THAT A BLACK MAN WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET INTO A POLICE CAR! What the fuck! Was he trying to arrest himself!!? I mean, what the fuck!!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

16. You know even if that's true

supposedly Michael Brown ran away from the car after the first bullet he took inside the car. As i recall reading, the cop then emerged from the car and shot him in the back to finish him off. I'm not sure how far away Brown's body ended up from the police car, but shooting a wounded fleeing man in the back when self-defense is no longer an issue is still murder.

[RKP5637]

38. Chief of police to me appears totally incompetent! n/t

[Solomon]

17. Thankyou. There's your peaceful protest attempt.

Pfft!!

[Go Vols]

20. This

I don’t support the looting in Ferguson, Missouri. But I’m also tired of “turning the other cheek” and forgiving

http://theobamacrat.com/

[nomorenomore08]

22. This. So, so much this. Fuck the "turn the other cheek" milquetoast pacifists.

Quite frankly, they're way out of their depth.

[cwydro]

47. Would that refer to MLK as well?

Milquetoast pacifist?

Gandhi?

Just wondering.

[Cal Carpenter]

50. You may want to read more about Gandhi

and not just the romanticized parts.

[nomorenomore08]

59. Not at all. But I believe that both "moderate" and more radical voices are needed.

For instance, would MLK's movement have been so successful, if not for the threat of a more "extreme" or less peaceful response represented by the likes of Malcolm X?'

Ideally, I think the MLK's and the Malcom X's of the world should complement and reinforce each other. I was also in a pretty foul mood when I made that previous post, so take that into account as well.

[akbacchus_BC]

23. You are right to be angry. That is the only recourse that the people had!

I think that the police should be arrested and tried, that would start the healing. Enough with black youths being shot to death by a few racist police, but no, they get benefits, they get a desk job and fuck the victims family. That is how is was and it will continue, some lives are good and some are expendable. Land of the fucking free and brave! You and I both know, the system will never change.

Imagine a black mother with a son, always having to worry when he goes out. And fuck that shit about being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Does the child know where is the right place at the right time to be!

[akbacchus_BC]

24. People riot when they cannot get justice and that is

exactly what happened. A child got killed, gunned down in the back for no reason, his arms were up in the air. Imagine if he/she were your child! Won't you be angry? I know I would but how do you get justice when the DOJ is equipping the police to be exterminators against one group of people? This is not the first time, there are many and Zimmerman is a hero for some on here!

[Solomon]

25. People keep asking "what is the right thing to do?"

So please allow me to say it again:

ARREST THE MOTHER FUCKER!

Why do we have to burn a city down just to get an arrest?

He will have his fucking day in court. Why the fuck can we never get a goddamned arrest?

[mythology]

26. I doubt it would change things

But also at this point, there hasn't yet been an established probable cause to arrest the officer. So you're basically saying that we should give in to mob mentality because a bunch of people say the cop is guilty. That's not the way it works.

[Solomon]

39. Bullshit. There are eyewitnesses to the shooting

and bullets in his back. I guess probable cause only exists if witnesses are white? Arrestingc a perpetrator has absolutely nothing to do with mob mentality. The fucker will post bond have his preliminary hearing and his day in court. Your post is disgusting. There's obviously no probable cause when a white cop kills a black man. People are angry because they are not stupid!

Trayvon was armed with the sidewalk. This guy never even got to the sidewalk so what the fuck was he armed with?

[seveneyes]

41. bullets in his back?

Is there a link to the autopsy yet? I believe that will confirm such a charge.

[Travis_0004]

57. In the photo of him on the street there is no blood on the back of his shirt

[cwydro]

48. There are no bullets in his back that I've seen in the video or pics.

Interesting how this has become a meme.

[qazplm]

53. pretty sure

you cant definitely tell there isn't a single bullet in his back just from the pics/video we've seen so far.

Obviously, an autopsy will be enlightening.

[djean111]

27. I honestly feel that without the rioting, the murder would have been swept under the rug,

and that Michael's family may even been billed for the bullets and the clean-up.
These are police who tried to charge a guy they had beaten up, who was the wrong guy (although no one should be beaten up) for getting his blood on their uniforms.

[NOLALady]

31. Quite True.

Without Malcolm and Huey, TPTB would not have paid attention to MLK.

[TheKentuckian]

32. Can't talk about that! That ruins the final fall back position of "ONE BAD APPLE!"

that must ever be maintained because there will be none of this systemic problem and correction talk.

If all else fails then with infinite reluctance this fine patriot will be sacrificed to the bloodthirsty mob but the idea is to never address root causes including new folk hero cop, Johnson and most Democrats.

[djean111]

33. That's another thing the rioting accomplished - we know about the entire bushel of bad apples,

we have seen the militarization of the American police in all of its ugly glory, we see patterns, we see a lot of very ugly asses - political and otherwise. This has all been very enlightening to some people, including the press. While I deplore what happened to that reporter in the MacDonald's, I think it was very educational.

[TheKentuckian]

43. Absolutely

[Horse with no Name]

30. Thank you. These people deserve justice

and they are not going to placated until that happens.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

34. The people who want justice are NOT the looters.

The looters are merely opportunistic crooks taking advantage of the situation. They are not 'filled with rage', they're simply stealing while they've got a chance. The folks who want justice have even put themselves in danger confronting the looters.

[nomorenomore08]

61. +1000

And "opportunistic crooks" will always exist where possible. Ultimately, they're fairly irrelevant to the situation.

[Captain Stern]

36. The people that are burning and looting aren't protesters. They are opportunistic criminals.

There are people that are actually protesting an injustice, but they aren't the ones burning down their neighbor's stores and stealing their neighbor's things. They are two different groups of people.

[Solomon]

40. so says you. anger takes a lot of forms.

Some people know that Kum by ya doesn't do diddly without the alternative on display. You are naive. You presume that all burners and looters are animals. I think you're wrong.

[cwydro]

49. Burners and looters

are helping no one.

[Captain Stern]

51. I don't presume that all burners and looters are animals.

You are wrong for saying that I do.

[nomorenomore08]

63. It does take many forms, including self-destructive ones. Sad, but I understand why it happens.

And it has nothing to do with anyone being "animalistic" - at worst, they're opportunistic and mercenary, at best, they're simply human beings harboring more rage and pain than they can handle.

[NaturalHigh]

68. There is no excuse for the burning and looting. None.

It doesn't matter how you try to justify it. It's just a criminal act.

[VanGoghRocks]

44. Keeping in mind Martin Luther King, Jr.'s observation that "a riot is

the language of the unheard," I think you might find this article illuminating. (Apologies if you've already seen it.)

From the Boston Tea Party to Shays’ Rebellion, riots made America, for better or worse. In the past, white rioters have had access to institutional power, which allowed some of their grievances to be legitimized and politically resolved, at least to extent possible in a capitalist society. The key for the Ferguson uprising, as with any unsustainable political moment, is to transition outrage and disruption into constructive political organization. Easier said than done — but it’s a better reaction than dismissing the riots and only making it more difficult for the people to accomplish this herculean task.

Malcolm X reminds us that media is a key instrument of subjugation because it determines which acts are respectable and which are extreme and thus illegitimate. Instead of following that familiar script, let’s push back against narratives about rioters being devoid of politics. Let’s find ways to honestly observe and discuss their political needs, rather than simply criticizing the nature of their response to social violence.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/08/in-defense-of-the-ferguson-riots/

[nomorenomore08]

60. "Media is a key instrument of subjugation because it determines which acts are respectable

and which are extreme and thus illegitimate."

Exactly. And I'm sure the irony of a regressive political movement named after the Boston Tea Party is not lost on many of us.

[Cal Carpenter]

45. Yep. Ain't much more to say.

(umm, but apparently I'm saying it anyway)


Until there is recourse and accountability this state of 'emergency' will not end.

You are on point.

The obsession with property has to end, particularly in *this* context when the life of a young black man is worth nothing, when there is a war against the poor and against minorities and so many people refuse to see that this is SYSTEMIC, it is not an exception. FUCK property. It is becoming so obvious that protecting property is the ultimate purpose of the police. And a human body doesn't count as property unless it is lucky or well-connected.

What is a community supposed to do when there is NO RECOURSE?

All these people who thought getting a black man from the highway patrol on the job would do the trick, a symbolic move, while 2 days later after more bullshit from the local cops and now a patronizing paternalistic 'curfew', man this is so deep and the only fucking silver lining is that people are finally seeing it.

The state of 'emergency' is that the people in power are freaked the fuck out and they don't want to dig their hole any deeper in violence but the only way to do that is to *be straight* about what the fuck is going on. To stop with this nominal symbolic shit and confront the fact that CONDITIONS ARE FUCKING TERRIBLE AND THERE IS A WAR AGAINST THE PEOPLE.

This is not just in Ferguson, MO, this is in NYC and Oakland and Ohio and Hollywood. --MoJo

Damn.


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[Solomon]

54. Thank you. I'm glad that somebody gets it.

The worst is yet to come because next we get to see the demonization of the victim and the black community. All the excuses for why it's okay to shoot a black kid who has his hands in the air and why I'm the problem for being pissed about it.

[Cal Carpenter]

58. You are not alone. And thank *you*

I only have so much time/patience/energy to post here, especially about something like this, but my thoughts have been building all week and I thank you for providing a thread that helped me get it out.

This situation is really showing where the lines are drawn.

[Logical]

64. LOL, "until I hear the next asshole pissing me off", ok tough guy. nt

[uppityperson]

70. mommy, it followed me home, can I keep it?