Hillary Clinton offers citizens of Ferguson strong support with silent protest...

[whereisjustice]

Clearly a local matter. Unlike Israel.

Very presidential, indeed.

[leftstreet]

1. This should be fun

[HooptieWagon]

2. Well, she HAS been silent. nt

[4now]

3. Has she made any statement on this issue?

[bravenak]

4. .

She's busy.

[Baitball Blogger]

72. Busy resting her voice, I guess.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

102. Yes, prolly too busy taking a poll trying to decide what she should say about this important societal issue. . . .

She's better off I guess doing that given the mess she makes when she talks off the top of her head - her natural political instinct is to find a "third way." We can do better.

[bravenak]

160. She a finger in the wind type, yes she is.

[LittleBlue]

5. She has the kind of leadership we've been missing

[Baitball Blogger]

73. Ohhhh!

You went there.

[Rex]

7. whereisjustice?

Okay what do I win?

[VanillaRhapsody]

8. Wow....the Hatred of Hillary runs deep....

don't tell me dragging her name into this isn't hatred either....

Wow just wow...

[rhett o rick]

10. It isn't hatred. But some believe that H. Clinton is a corporatist and as such, she has

little empathy for the lower classes. She is a candidate for the Presidency in 2016 and yet she is silent on this important issue.

Wow just Wow. Do you have anything more intellectual to add??

There are really only two sides in this class war. H. Clinton-Sachs is clearly on the side of the 1%. Whose side are you on?

[VanillaRhapsody]

12. I told you not to even bother telling me that.....

that dog won't hunt!

(and why am I smiling at the irony of WHO replied to me about this subject)

[rhett o rick]

20. I don't speak that language. H. Clinton is a Wall f'n Street candidate. If you don't

agree give me some evidence. You are aware she has already received $400,000 for her personal account from Goldman-Sachs.

We don't need eight more years of corporatist presidency.

[rock]

67. The person that makes the claim

must supply the proof.

[VanillaRhapsody]

144. EXACTLY!

[Marr]

80. But-- but they *insisted* you not point out that fact.

Gotta love the completely unabashed denial. When they don't want to believe a thing, they simply insist you not point it out or offer any evidence.

[Ken Burch]

116. At this point, you can't honestly believe that people ONLY oppose HRC

because she's biologically female.

I personally don't "hate" HRC...like virtually everyone else who has reservations about her as a candidate, it's about principle.

Why are you so loyal to a candidate who has just shifted 35% FURTHER to the right? You know she can't run to Obama's right in the 2016 primaries and still be different than the GOP. And you know it's impossible to run right and then govern left.

What's the bond you feel towards someone who doesn't care about peace, economic equality, workers and the poor?

Why would anyone who supports healthcare, as your avatar implies you do, be ok with a candidate who has just made it clear that she doesn't care if Netanyahu blows every child in Gaza to bits? Who would be perfectly happy to have us not only have "boots back on the ground" in Iraq, but staying on the ground in Afghanistan and going on the ground for the first time in Syria(when we already know that U.S. force can't do ANYTHING positive anywhere in the Middle East)?

Does "Experience" mean anything when it's tied to an anti-left, anti-people values system?

Does "the Court" justifies looking the other way about an economic policy that HAS to lead to greater inequality and greater corporate power?

The issue isn't HRC as a person...it's about her conservatism and militarism. Can you please explain why you refuse to accept that reality?

[VanillaRhapsody]

145. SEE that is the point "virtually everyone else" doesn't agree with you all!

You act exactly like the Teabaggers.....you THINK everyone in the party agrees with you......and THEN you always act surprised when you find out you are NOT the majority of the Party....You are a vocal minority tha has found a megaphone on Democratic Underground.

For example the day Hillary Clinton wins the Primary!

[Doctor_J]

15. That's WHY she's silent

She is a candidate for the Presidency in 2016 and yet she is silent on this important issue.

Our party "leadership" is perpetually afraid of pissing off big (white, rich, corporate) donors. When is the last time any of them spoke up for the 99% on any critical issue?

They're a joke, and a big reason why the party is failing.

[pnwmom]

109. She is NOT an announced candidate. She's a private citizen and if she WERE speaking out,

the same people would be accusing her of grandstanding.

[rhett o rick]

136. You continue to reiterate that she is not an "announced candidate" as if that means

something special. Maybe the repetition makes you feel better.
I will agree that if she told us she had empathy for the lower classes, I wouldn't believe her. She is and has always been one of the Elitist Class that are more concerned with profits for Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street, than what happens to the masses.

Some here appear to be in denial of the fact that we are no longer a "Constitutionally controlled Democratic Republic" and want to continue the status quo. A status quo that sees the Elitist Class militarizing local police forces because they know we have massive unrest. The revolution is just under the surface ready to explode. But the revolution will not be the masses vs. the Elitist Class, no it will be the black community against the police and armed right-wing haters. This is what the Elitist Class wants. Fill the prisons and put them to work as slaves. If you have your doubts, I suggest you look around. We all ready have our prisons filled and we are starting to force them to work for obscene wages.

We need a very dynamic leader that is solidly in favor of saving our democracy (actually reestablishing) and working to reestablish a strong middle class. There is not one indication that H. Clinton, the non-"announced candidate" yet heir apparent, is that person.

The Frog is in the pot. Paul Ryan and/or the BFEE want to turn up the heat. H. Clinton and the Corporatist Democrats are content to leave the temperature on slow boil (status quo). It's time for us to get out of the damn pot.

[VanillaRhapsody]

149. Apparently it matters not to the same people who are haranguing Elizabeth Warren

to run against her for President against her will as well!

[rhett o rick]

165. I don't understand why you think it's necessary to be deceptive. No one is "haranguing"

Sen Warren and "against her will"?? Really?? Why is it so important to you to discourage support for progressive candidates? Do you support the Conservative Democratic move to retain the status quo? You must recognize that H. Clinton does not represent the lower classes. She makes no pretense to. Sen Warren may not run against the Wall Street favorite, there certainly will be a lot of big money pressure to stop her.

The lower classes will not survive eight more years of corporate dominated policy.

It's time to draw a line in the sand. A progressive president or massive civil disobedience. What do you choose?

[VanillaRhapsody]

148. EXACTLY!

they just HATE that she is taking advantage of her own "private life".....she just won't throw them a bone to direct their hatred at!

[2pooped2pop]

138. +1000 n/t

[JaydenD]

17. I don't see any hatred, just curiousity

She has been vocal about many things, some of which have been less than complimentary to the administration she worked for and some that have been foot in mouth disease that only Hillary can do so well. She jumped right in to protect the murdering Netanyahoo. I think it's normal for people to expect her to say something when that is what she has been doing in her campaign for these weeks.months now.

[Laelth]

50. +1. n/t

-Laelth

[Logical]

21. LOL, I think you are missing the whole point! Classic! nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

37. No actually I get it alright....

the hatred for the one candidate that kicks the entire Republican party fields ASS and who happens to be a woman...yet.....so called fellow "Democrats" want to kick THAT candidate to the curb. AS IF anyone could do THAT!

Hmmmmm smells of misogyny to me!

[backwoodsbob]

48. here we go again...just like 2008

anyone who doesnt want Hillary is a sexist

[VanillaRhapsody]

62. No but I see a pattern forming here "Bob"...

I find it hilarious that some do not realize that we have memories and can remember OTHER topics that those that are posting opposing her write...

I CAN connect dots.....

You know especially those that also wrote denying that White male Privilege exists.....

[backwoodsbob]

86. yep...here we go

it didn't work in 2008...it wont work in 2016.
Shamng people into voting for the repub who had a D by her name doesnt work

[VanillaRhapsody]

87. No...there YOU go!

[Logical]

60. Lol, nice try, most of us including me want Warren! Keep trying! nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

63. and as soon as she did something YOU that doesn't suit your sensibilities....

under the bus EW would go too!

Not fooling this gal!

[Logical]

74. Lol, note, worked on the Sebelius campaign when Kansas actually would....

Elect a dem. quit your whining. Hillary threw herself under the bus. Quit trying to blame sexism on Hillary being a terrible candidate! She had a 30 point lead over Obama early and fucking lost! That shows her popularity.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

125. Hillary's never taken a bus; prolly wouldn't know what one looked like.

[VanillaRhapsody]

146. AND you know this how?

you care to provide evidence to this outrageous claim?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

77. She's already done a few things I don't like.

But she's rock solid on the number one problem facing the country for the last 40 years. That's good enough for me. Warren will make a good President on domestic issues, which is what's more important at this point in time.

[VanillaRhapsody]

90. AND she is rock solid not running....

because she supports Hillary Clinton....

she has disavowed the "Ready for Warren" PAC!

[AtomicKitten]

110. from 2 days ago ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5429307

[VanillaRhapsody]

111. And?

[AtomicKitten]

113. it appears Elizabeth has been misrepresented here

she seems to be implying a wink-wink
and not all aboard the SS Clinton after all

[VanillaRhapsody]

143. Hmmmm perhaps because she doesn't want to be continuously HOUNDED

about her own political career.....her staffers thought she should not make comments on those who are or might be.....you know so she can talk about ISSUES that she is concerned about instead....


But of course YOU and your group would rather continue the harranguement of EW about it and get in the way of her doing HER CURRENT JOB...

but of course you NEVER thought of THAT angle!

[AtomicKitten]

155. Or maybe she believes

a Hawk Hillary presidency would be bad for the country. Reference: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/

Elizabeth Warren: "We should exhaust all other options before going to war."

but of course you NEVER thought of THAT angle!

[VanillaRhapsody]

157. Or maybe you can read minds....and know hers better than she does???

I tend to take her for her words.....that's why I like her!

but of course you NEVER thought of THAT angle!

[AtomicKitten]

158. You sound asceered of Elizabeth Warren.

? Good. Now you can quit speaking for Elizabeth Warren and ascribing her stock response "Hillary is terrific!" to mean earnest support and endorsement.

Bye now.

Hillary's Nightmare? A Democratic Party That Realizes Its Soul Lies With Elizabeth Warren
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115509/elizabeth-warren-hillary-clintons-nightmare

Elizabeth Warren Would Make A Much Better President Than Hillary Clinton
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/03/1304045/-If-God-Won-t-Save-Us-From-Hillary-Clinton-Perhaps-Elizabeth-Warren-Will

[VanillaRhapsody]

159. Why would I be "askeered"? I love her....I am the one though.....that takes her at her word!

believing that a fellow woman knows her mind and speaks it makes me "askeered" when I am also a woman who knows her mind and speaks it? What's to be afraid of? The real question is....what are YOU so "asceered of"?

[earthside]

64. "Hmmmmm smells of misogyny to me!"

Talk about over-the-top rhetoric ...

Misogyny?

Of course, it doesn't compute -- supporter of a Warren candidacy for President is a mysogynist because that opposes a Mrs. Clinton candidacy?

Don' tell me ... how.

[VanillaRhapsody]

68. of course not.....

those that are guilty of it never admit it!

[earthside]

69. Meaning, of course ...

... that you are just a particular breed of misogynist?

Is that a description of yourself that you would ever admit?

You are condemned by your own rhetoric.

But seriously, it is valuable to engage in spirited debate about the pros and cons of all potential candidates for the Democratic Party nomination of President in 2016.

Political barbs about commitment to the poor, the middle class, working people, war, peace, Wall Street, etc., helps us decide who is the better candidate and, hopefully, who will make a great leader.

Throwing around accusations like 'mysogynist' just because someone prefers one female candidate over another female candidate is not going to be helpful.

[JaydenD]

70. How about that misogynistic husband of hers? Runaround sue.

But hell, he's a good ole boy, boys will be boys, feets of clay, shuckems. But that Lewinski... what a whore, eh? She had some Nerve running after a Presdient, a President so weak he couldn't refuse her. Now that's a charactertistic every President should have, no - can't help himself if a young woman throws herself at him?

I get an especial tickle when that misogyny word comes up in regards to the Clintons and how that word is used deliberately, but so awkwardly and foolishly. If I were a Hillary defender, I sure wouldn't bring up misogyny out of thin air nothing. And I sure as heck wouldn't praise her touted feministic love of women and children around the world when we well know what she thinks of them when she voted to splay them into the earth in small pieces in Iraq.

[VanillaRhapsody]

147. Soooooo Now we are getting to the heart of the matter....

the Libertarian side....the hatred of all things Bill Clinton rears its ugly head....and BECAUSE of that you MUST hate Hillary too....BECAUSE she is connected to Bill and his "peccadillos"! Jealous maybe....who CARES what Bill did....who knows maybe he and Hillary had an "arrangement"? It would be none of YOUR damn business and who are YOU to judge it? Hillary forgave that indiscretion....I guess it wasn't as important to her as it was to YOU!


hahahahahahahahahahaha!

[JaydenD]

150. You scream mysognist when someone crits Hillary for her Iraq War vote,

but say it's personal and private that Bill treats women like throwaway rubbish.

People's kids died because of her kind of vote, I think they have every reason to have some hate on when she did that and her kid was safe and sound in a nice rich home.

You make a very poor case. But you do show that there is no case to make, Hillary and Bill are who they are and did what they did and say that stupid stuff they say.

[VanillaRhapsody]

151. No funny YOU decide what Bill did was "misogyny" when you have no idea....

why Hillary forgave him......Like I said perhaps they had an "agreement" and if so......where was the misogyny in it then? I'll tell you....that YOU assume....that its there without giving even the off chance that maybe just maybe they don't have quite a "traditional marriage".....is right where it is.....narrow minded maybe just a little? Because you have no idea whether it is or isn't a traditional marriage....you just "assume".


Or wait....is the misogyny to you the fact that he chose to fool around with a young woman???? Is that it???


I thought we Democrats agreed that it wasn't about the sex....it was about the lie??? Or does that only apply when its convenient to the particular narrative?

[JaydenD]

152. Let's talk about tradition, here is one:

The other woman is an evil whore and the guy, well, what's a guy to do when some ass is flashed for him. That's about as misogynistic as you can get and as old as the hills.

[VanillaRhapsody]

154. Who called her an "evil whore" here?

who even brought her up here? Who put that woman into the conversation at all


YOU did....

here's your mirror!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

76. How is it misogyny if most of the people who dislike Hillary want Warren?

Is Warren 'not a female' to her supporters?

[Union Scribe]

88. Do you just wake up angry? nt

[fredamae]

129. Sounds to me like

you just want the win without also considering what the candidate stands for and the consequences to all should she be the successor to the WH?

It matters to many of us What her Political History Is and what her agenda has always been.

What do you think about her ideas for dealing with the Middle East?
How do you feel about her history in a supportive role for wall street banksters?
The direction Third Way/New Dem Coalition has taken our party for the past 25-30 years?

[rhett o rick]

137. Call it whatever you want to make yourself feel better for your support for

the status quo. I want a candidate that empathized with the lower classes. H. Clinton isn't that person. She has always represented the Elitist Class and is happy with the status quo. Apparently you are also. You may not recognize it but we are in a class war and some here seem to be siding with the Elitist Class.

[4now]

24. No hatred - Just seriously wondering why she is so quiet about this

I think that it makes her look like she is hiding out.
I am not just picking on Clinton but when Rand Paul has written an op-ed for Time.
Saying some of the things that Dems should be saying
It just looks strange that so many Democratic politicians are silent.

[VanillaRhapsody]

38. She is NOT even a candidate yet...WTF is she supposed to say?

something else for YOU to disparage her with perhaps (no matter WHAT position she took).

admit it...that is ALL you haters want really!

[Iggo]

49. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I'm getting mixed signals.

Is she being silent on this issue because she IS a candidate? Or is she being silent on this issue because she is NOT a candidate?

[VanillaRhapsody]

55. I don't know....

she would be damned by ya'll if she did or she didn't.

She isn't officially a candidate...nor is anyone else at this point...BUT she IS at this moment our heavy hitter....she kicks the entire Republican bench's ass...

But seem here want to discount that strength......hmmmm wonder why? Things that make you go hmmmmm.

She may not have her hat in the ring yet....but she IS our best chance of winning in 2016 whether some like it or not...

[Logical]

75. Just leave it at "I don't know"! nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

98. You are right...YOU don't know....

[Logical]

99. You are looking silly on this topic. I think it will be a long two years for you. n-t

[backwoodsbob]

119. so a right winger is ok with you

as long as she has a (D) next to her name?

[4now]

96. You are doing a fine job building support for Hillary

Keep up the good work.
I hope to read many more of your posts.

[Divernan]

131. LOL! Yup! With friends like VR . . . . .

It was so funny when I posted a fact-filled critique of HR's history ( my favorite incident was the "dodging sniper fire"Big Lie, followed closely by getting kicked off the Watergate investigation staff) and was hysterically called a misogynist. I'm a lifelong Democrat/female/taught courses in the Women's Studies dept. at Pitt, was a charter subscriber to MS, and was nicknamed Gloria Steinham by friends back in the 70's - and am generally considered extremely progressive.

Misogynist my ass!

[sabrina 1]

30. I see no hatred here. I see commentary on the lack of a response by what we are told is our best

and perhaps ONLY Presidential Candidate on a subject that could not be more important to this country.

Do you think people should not observe their Presidential candidates and how they show leadership on major issues in this country?

[VanillaRhapsody]

39. WHY is she supposed to by YOUR estimation?

You just want her to say something that YOU can criticise her for...YOU don't really want her to do anything EXCEPT give you something else to rag on her for....

There is NOTHING she could say on the subject for you haters to change your minds AT ALL....so why should she?

[sabrina 1]

82. She could take a lesson from Gov. Patrick of Mass. He stated that he is 'sick and tired of

seeing young, African Americans being killed in this country'. Is there something wrong with our elected officials speaking out on what is a huge issue in this country, Racism? Especially in law enforcement?

Who are these 'haters' you speak of?? Is everyone who doesn't support a candidate for public office a 'hater' in your opinion?

Maybe you have difficulty focusing on issues rather than personalities, but fyi, most people will support a candidate who has a record of standing up for the issues that are important to them.

Hillary supported Bush's disastrous foreign policies, and still does. That makes it impossible for those who oppose those policies to support her. You will simply have to accept that.

No hate, which you appear to WANT to believe, it is a pragmatic decision people made long ago regarding those policies and people who care about this country are not going to change their minds and start supporting harmful policies simply because of the letter after a candidate's name.

[VanillaRhapsody]

85. Yes...HE is a governor...DUH!

admit it you ONLY want Hillary Clinton to say SOMETHING...ANYTHING....just to give you haters something to complain about...

not fooled for a minute....no matter how many paragraphs you write to deny that!

[JaydenD]

92. I have to confess I am looking forward to whatever lummox way she decides to weigh in.

Keep talking, Hillary. It's the best thing you could possibly do for the country, to let them hear you speak your clumsy speaky.

[VanillaRhapsody]

94. You are sure you want to say that about a potential Democratic Candidate...

at Democratic Underground? Seriously????

[JaydenD]

95. Why would there be a problem with having problems with what she has said?

Nothing has to be made up, she does it to herself. I don't know about what others think, but her doing that SniperGate foolishness makes me wonder what goes on in her upstairs apartment. What if she resorts to that kind of nonsense if she is CiC? Someone who makes stuff up like that is not fit to take on such huge responsibilities.

[sabrina 1]

100. Hillary is a supporter of Bush War Policies. That makes here unacceptable to Democrats

as a Presidential Candidate. You can rant all you want about 'hate', you can pretend to be a mind reader of anonymous people on the internet, but the bottom line is, Democrats want a candidate who OPPOSES Bush policies and if they don't get that, Hillary will not win just as she lost in 2008. Her support for Bush's FPs lost that election for her and it will do so again.

[VanillaRhapsody]

101. Says you....

denial is NOT a river in Egypt.....and the irony IS in the end...if Hillary is the winner of the Primary...MEANING you are wrong....because MOST Democrats disagreed with you......and the irony upon irony ISSSSSS.....that you will still vote for Hillary Clinton versus ANY Republican.....so much for your strict moral convictions and ethical standards!

[sabrina 1]

105. I was right last time. She lost, did she not, as was predicted based mainly on her support for Bush

and Cheney's FPs. Same thing will happen again. Dems generally don't support Right Wing policies.

[VanillaRhapsody]

112. who do these "Dems" generally support?

I think you call both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama "Right Wing" too?

I don't think you really know the "Dems" as well as you think you do......and I am not claiming to be one....I just know they exist.and by that I mean "Middle of the Road" "Dems"...like I keep telling you....I am a realist.....not all the "Dems" are in lock step agreement with your positions.....

[pnwmom]

107. She isn't a candidate yet. And if she were speaking out, people would accuse her of grandstanding.nt

[Scuba]

36. It's not hate, it's disgust. At least on my part.

[VanillaRhapsody]

40. No I have been reading your posts.....you are covering your hatred with words...

[Scuba]

41. You're hilarious.

[VanillaRhapsody]

42. No you are just not good at hiding your true feelings...

its called "thinly veiled".

[Scuba]

43. You're hilarious, but not a mind reader ...

But then it's easier to dismiss Hillary's critics as haters than it is to address the issues on which we're critical of her. I've never seen you address her hawkishness, her cozying up to Wall Street, her long association with WalMart. Nope, you just call us haters. Cheap, easy shot.

[Laelth]

52. +1. n/t

-Laelth

[Union Scribe]

118. Too true.

"You are covering your hatred with words" is probably one of the funniest, most wtf things I've seen lately

[Divernan]

132. Yes, VR is good for comic relief.

[sabrina 1]

167. Lol, I agree, 'hilarious' is exactly right. The 'word' of the day is 'hatred'. Sooner or later they

will realize we are no longer affected by their tactics. Here where I live people are focusing on LOCAL politics and no longer care much about the national races. We have zero influence on national politics, but we CAN affect local politics and that is where people are turning to more and more. Building from the ground up.

[Ken Burch]

115. Well, since her silence on Ferguson proves her complete indifference about racism,

JUSTIFIED ANGER ON PRINCIPLE, as opposed to "hatred&quot btw, it's Republican to equate opposition to a candidate with hatred)is to be expected. And you know perfectly well that any white male frontrunner-for-the-nom who also stayed silent would get the identical response.

You can't deny that it's morally wrong that she's said nothing. And it isn't even good politics. Nobody who would think that cop was justified in wasting the kid would ever be non-Republican on anything. "Support Your Local Police" types are all still basically George Wallace lovers.

[JaydenD]

124. Maybe there might be some hatred after all.

There are people here that have had family and friends die in Iraq. Hillary was part of that travesty and she owns a percentage of those dead bodies, both Iraqi and American - sending other peoples children to war while hers was warm and safe and snug.

I think that would be a very good reason to have some hate, don't you? Would you deny someone that righteous anger?
I wonder how you can just gloss over that so easily.

[chrisa]

130. You're right. Count me among those who can't stand her.

We need someone that will fight for the country, not someone who blindly follows public opinion.

[Katashi_itto]

139. Don't worry she's "inevitable" remember?

[QC]

153. Why do you approach everything in terms of personalities?

Honestly, it's childish.

[brooklynite]

9. Let's review the the statements made by...

prospective candidate Joe Biden


prospective candidate Martin O'Malley


and prospective candidate Andrew Cuomo


Maybe this isn't something for non-announced Presidential candidates to involve themselves in?

[rhett o rick]

11. You left out PeeWee Hermin. What is your point?? Let me guess since you are so

mysterious. H. Clinton, the Wall Street front runner for the 2016 Presidency, doesn't want to expose herself by making a statement about Ferguson because she has to take the corporatist stand that the militarized police are to protect the 1% and can kill anyone in the lower classes.

H. Clinton-Sachs represents Wall f'n Street and not the people.

[whereisjustice]

13. or, maybe she is waiting for Ferguson to raise $275,000 for her speaking fee

The reasons for keeping her mouth shut on this issue are myriad.

And none of them good.

[JaydenD]

18. ouch. No money, no speaky.

One has to wonder why an underwhelming speaker like Hillary, can get those fees. Hmmmm. Past favors or future favors, both?

[Chan790]

14. Ask and you shall receive.

Joe Biden: Basically, no statement. Said he'd talked about it with the President.

Martin O'Malley: Made a statement

Andrew Cuomo: No statement.

Hillary Clinton: No statement.

Bernie Sanders: Wrote LTTE to the New York Times

Elizabeth Warren: Commented (Yes, I know that she's not running for President in 2016.)

[DonCoquixote]

16. now let's see how these facts are responded to

I can hear crickets...

[VanGoghRocks]

19. I'm not sure I would dignify Elizabeth Warren's 'tweet' with the label

'commented.' Note that she take NO POSITION on arresting the killer.

[rhett o rick]

22. Really? You are that desperate?

I am guessing you would rather have Jeb Bush than a progressive president. Am I wrong? If you nominate H. Clinton-Sachs, then be ready for Bush. And don't f'n blame Nader.

If you don't want another Bush, vote for a progressive and not a Republican-Lite.

[VanGoghRocks]

23. Should the Democratic nomination process reach California undecided, I would OF COURSE

vote for Warren. I will never cast a vote knowingly for anyone who voted for Shocking and Awful.

I meant only to suggest that I didn't think Warren's statement on Ferguson went nearly far enough. I can understand to some extent why President Obama must remain circumspect in his public utterances. But Warren is under no such constraints. The masses of this nation are crying out for a national leader with the guts to state forthrightly: "Arrest Wilson now!"

[MannyGoldstein]

106. I hope that you're joking

While I can't think of a legitimate reason for a cop to pump six bullets into an unarmed man, that's a lot different than having enough evidence of criminal wrongdoing to issue an arrest warrant.

[VanGoghRocks]

117. I hope that you're the one who is joking. If you can't think of a legitimate reason

for a cop to pump six bullets into an unarmed man, THAT'S BECAUSE THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE REASON! IOW, there's probable cause to believe a crime has been committed, upon such probable cause, an arrest warrant should issue.

Wilson should have been arrested long ago. And shame on all these national figures who can't find it in themselves to say as much.

If you were being subtly sardonic, then I'll have to claim a 'Poe's Law' waiver.

[Chan790]

156. The problem isn't "legitimacy" unfortunately.

There can be no legitimate reason...but the history of Missouri on these issues leads to a solid likelihood of an acquittal regardless. Having called for an indictment of a cop who was subsequently cleared by a jury would be a political field-day in both the primaries and the general election for a candidate.

I'm all for the Grand Jury making the decision. I support "call for answers" being the position Warren took. I'm okay with calling for the demilitarization of police forces. I agree the DA should recuse himself as he's exactly the individual based on personal history who would be exempted from the jury.

I just think it's a low bar to actually make a statement, nearly any statement, for a Democratic Presidential candidate and it looks bad to say nothing.

[Stellar]

44. Ms Warren is not running for President, BUT

she did say something. Who else has confirmed that they are running for President on your list? I remember Bernie Sanders had an interest, right?

Clinton has some work to do to get the black community back in her corner.

[Iggo]

51. Neither is Clinton.

[Stellar]

121. or so she says...

nobody knows, right? It's all conjecture.

[Iggo]

140. Conjecture exactly.

You could turn that around and it'd be just as true: "Clinton isn't running, but neither is Warren...or so she says."

[Stellar]

142. Agreed.

[Laelth]

54. Elizabeth Warren's "statement" is perfect.

This is America, not a war zone. The people of #Ferguson just want answers. We all want answers.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/elizabeth-warren-ferguson-war-zone

Excellent. Just excellent. That is the right thing to say.



-Laelth

[riversedge]

134. I like her response also.

[Vattel]

123. Notice how lame O'Malley's comment is.

[4now]

25. Rand Paul is saying what Democratic politicians should be saying

He is a non-announced Presidential candidate that is not hiding out on this issue.
And the public will notice.

[msanthrope]

35. Fuck Rand Paul! nt

[Stellar]

45. Not that I would vote for him BUT

he did have something to say.

[bigtree]

27. my man Martin O'Malley:

O’Malley also briefly addressed the unrest in Ferguson, Mo., that has followed the shooting of the unarmed black teenager Michael Brown.

“It’s difficult to look at those images and not to be heartbroken about the big gulfs and big divisions that still exist in our country,” O’Malley said. “But it’s also true that the greatest power in our nation is the power of love. And healing. And understanding. And forgiveness. .?.?. I think we all say a silent prayer in our own way that we might all be instruments for peace on this earth, and hope for better days, not only for Ferguson, but for America.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/omalley-delivers-speech-in-mississippi-headed-to-arkansas-new-hampshire/2014/08/16/7c50b86c-2544-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

[JNelson6563]

84. I like O'Malley too.

[sabrina 1]

29. Let's see if we can find leaders who don't have to wait to be told what they ought to do

by their Corporate Funders.

People are rejecting, more and more, corporate tools who can't just come out and say 'THIS IS WRONG' or 'THIS IS RIGHT' without consulting with their handlers.

I predict a very low voter turnout if the people don't get some candidates who actually want to represent THEM and who are not so arrogant as to actually believe they know what is 'good for the little people'.

The repeated killings of Black Americans at the hands of the police is WRONG, is that so hard to say?

And the Militarization of the American police is becoming a huge issue among voters and more and more of them are learning about it now.

That too is a huge issue that should be easy to address by anyone planning to take an oath of office that requires them to 'defend and protect the US Constitution'.

[KittyWampus]

56. thanks for that/

[Orsino]

78. It sure as hell is a challenge for a serious politician.

Even the most cynical should not be flinching. It's an opportunity, and silence speaks volumes.

I expect it from laissez-faire Republicans, but not from Democrats.

[stevenleser]

83. Com'on now, you are totally ruining the Hillary Derangement Syndrome many now suffer from.

You're spoiling their hate-buzz. And that hate-buzz demands to be satisfied.

They will hate on what she says and they will hate on what she doesnt say.

[Stellar]

122. WOW, sounds remarkably like the Obama Derangement Syndrome

that the 'Clintonista's' had about the 'Obamabot's' in 2008 through 2011. I haven't heard much from the Clintonista's since then.

[joshcryer]

26. Her strategists have told her to keep her mouth shut.

Even Donna Brazile said she shouldn't say anything.

She'll do what her handlers want her to do.

[LondonReign2]

66. Even Donna Brazile said she shouldn't say anything

Well, if there was ever a clearer signal that Clinton SHOULD say something I can't imagine what it would be. You can never go wrong doing the opposite of whatever Donna Brazile suggests politically.

[Union Scribe]

89. That's because, especially lately, any time she speaks

she makes herself less and less appealing to anyone with values to the left of a Wolfowitz.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

103. Donna Brazile must be a misogynist - what is the world coming to? Free Hillary!

[sabrina 1]

28. She's joined in this silent protest by many, many other of our elected officials.

[MannyGoldstein]

31. That's totally unfair

Do you have any #%^*ing idea of how hard it is to get focus groups going in summer? To secure all of the relevant permissions from Wall Street when so many are at their villas and chateaus?

Come September, I'm certain that Hillary will reveal her heartfelt and long-held position on the matter.

[joshcryer]

33. They wouldn't make a focus group about something like this.

But I chuckled at your post. Yes the silence is strategic, but not focus-group strategic. Arguably more nefarious (focus groups can't hurt, Obama used them to great success in 2008), it comes from party officials. At times openly (Donna Brazile)

[AngryAmish]

46. This the height of the summer season in the Hamptons

Trying to get wall street permissions is hard. These people are like herding cats!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

32. Odd how she had no problem speaking out in favor of Bush's war and Bibi's massacre.

[Iggo]

141. Yes, it is.

[wyldwolf]

34. and had she not been silent?

*what is SHE doing there?

*pandering for votes!

*she'll never get mine! Never never never #@^@@%#%#@#%@^!+!!!!

* She was Goldwater girl. Did you know that?

* And she voted for the Iraq war! This is new information and I'm sharing it! See how SMART I am??

* The is OBAMA'S job! Does she think she's the president?

* She said something different than what Obama said. She's undermining him!

[Stellar]

47. Yeah, Hard Choices...

Hopefully she'll makes the right ones.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

104. Yes, not to run. We need a candidate not afraid to get out in front of issues on behalf of ordinary folks who are continually under attack. . .

We need someone who speaks for them.

[Stellar]

120. Hear, hear!

[treestar]

59. +1

the first sentence especially.

[JoePhilly]

53. The folks complaining about her silence would be complaining about ...

... anything she said anyway.

[pnwmom]

108. If she were speaking out, as a private citizen, they'd say she was grandstanding. nt

[treestar]

57. Not her problem

The worst thing is the way people use an event like this to strike at unrelated issues. Making this about Hillary (and Obama, as we've seen that on the board) is shameful.

[BeyondGeography]

58. She is belatedly adhering to the don't say stupid stuff rule

I hope she sticks with it.

[99Forever]

61. Vintage Hillary.

If doesn't hurt the .001%, it isn't on her radar.

[randome]

65. I don't like her. But do we really want more politicians interfering in a small town like Ferguson?

What could she possibly do or say that would help matters?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[L0oniX]

71. To be fair ...she has been spiraling down through a hail of bullets to land safely ...a lot.

[hifiguy]

79. Wall Street corporatists seldom deign to notice

the "little people" and their problems. They have far more important fish to fry.

As George Carlin said, "it's a club. And you ain't in it and I ain't in it."

[fadedrose]

81. Holding up a finger to see where the wind blows

Then, we will hear criticism or praise. Too soon, too soon.

[mmonk]

91. All Chicken Littles are silent. It's an election year.

[mylye2222]

93. K&R!

She's too busy supporting Netanyahu and Aipac in order to get more corporate bills !!!!!

[KamaAina]

97. DUzy!!

[Ken Burch]

114. It's in the tradition of her "wave and smile" photo at the Lorraine Motel

(a pose that had NOTHING AT ALL to do with any desire to send a coded message to "anti-Obama" voters in places like West Virginia, Texas, or anything at all like that).

[6000eliot]

126. It would be far preferable for justice to be gotten by the citizens of Ferguson

than for politicians to use it as an "issue" in order to get elected.

[DonViejo]

127. She's not a Presidential candidate, yet, and she's not an elected official...

it's not her place to offer an opinion unless she's asked for one. I've not seen any reports saying she refused to respond to a question regarding Ferguson; I'm sure if she had refused, it would be posted in the LBN Forum.

[magical thyme]

161. whereas it was perfectly appropriate for her to publicly criticize her former boss and

support BiBi.

[DonViejo]

162. Yes. eom

[Depaysement]

128. A few people have the means to contribute large amounts of resources to campaigns

And most don't.

Class and color are usually trumped by cash.

[B Calm]

133. Maybe she is waiting for all the facts. . The convience store video

is really harmful to the character of Michael just before the shooting.

Do some cops murder young black men for no reason? Hell yes they do.

[JaydenD]

135. That's not her style - remember she believed the Dry Drunk and supported the Iraq invasion.

Facts, Schmacts.

[whereisjustice]

163. you are saying that a more telegenic person needs to be murdered by police...

and then, after being murdered, subjected to a rigorous background check, and only after passing standards of purity that our elected officials can't even meet, only then can we get upset by all the hard, historical evidence indicating police are growing out of our control, abusing and killing for no other reason than they know they can get away with it.

And clearly, because of the video, cops were in the right to use maximum force against innocent, unarmed protestors?

When a nation murders people for minor crimes, leaving bodies to rot in the street, it is a worse state than those we are spending trillions on, trying to wipe out overseas.

As far as "silence" should we elect leaders only to find out after the fact that they suck? Then what? Oops, our bad?

She's had no problem finding her tongue shilling for Israel and Wall Street. She doesn't need to be MLK here, but goddamn that would be a good place to start.

The silence on this issue from both political groups says it all. Things will continue to get worse until the nation can man up and find the strength to admit we have a serious fucking problem here. That takes someone stronger than Fox News - are we simply out of leaders who are morally strong enough to do the right thing, without apologies?

Or are we going to quiver in fear, off camera, hiding from right wing extremists. Jesus, it's not like they are going to vote for her, anyway!

[SidDithers]

164. Sure does have the scent of pine around here...nt

Sid

[Oilwellian]

166. Excellent response