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Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:46 PM

"We Dissent!"

"It is not enough to allow dissent. We must demand it. For there is much to dissent from.

"We dissent from the fact that millions are trapped in poverty while the nation grows rich.

"We dissent from the conditions and hatreds which deny a full life to our fellow citizens because of the color of their skin.

"We dissent from the monstorous absurdity of a world where nations stand poised to destroy one another, and men must kill their fellow men.

"We dissent from the sight of most of mankind living in poverty, stricken by disease, threatened by hunger and doomed to an early death after a life of unremitting labor.

"We dissent from cities which blunt our senses and turn ordinary acts of daily life into a painful struggle.

"We dissent from the willful,heedless destruction of natural pleasure and beauty.

"We dissent from all these structures -- of technology and of society itself -- which strip from the individual the dignity and warmth of sharing in the common tasks of his community and his ountry."
-- Senator Robert F. Kennedy; Berkley; October 22, 1966.

While preparing for the grass roots pro-environment, anti-hydrofracking community's meeting with Robert Kennedy, Jr., next Monday, I came across my copy of RFK's promo-magazine from his 1968 run for the presidency. This powerful speech is included in its pages. (There is also a three page interview with Robert, Jr., then 14.)

It ranks among the best political speeches in our nation's history, in my opinion. It also serves as a stark reminder of what the leaders of the Democratic Party once stood for.

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Reply "We Dissent!" (Original post)
H2O Man Apr 2012 OP
OneGrassRoot Apr 2012 #1
gateley Apr 2012 #2
hifiguy Apr 2012 #3
UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2012 #16
Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #4
Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #5
unionworks Apr 2012 #17
horseshoecrab Apr 2012 #6
kentuck Apr 2012 #7
Autumn Apr 2012 #8
QC Apr 2012 #9
sudopod Apr 2012 #10
robinlynne Apr 2012 #11
sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #12
Autumn Apr 2012 #14
Dragonfli Apr 2012 #29
abelenkpe Apr 2012 #13
UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2012 #15
Zorra Apr 2012 #18
H2O Man Apr 2012 #19
stevedeshazer Apr 2012 #20
UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2012 #22
ellisonz Apr 2012 #21
bigtree Apr 2012 #23
mmonk Apr 2012 #24
TheUnspeakable Apr 2012 #25
obxhead Apr 2012 #26
Dragonfli Apr 2012 #27
Major Hogwash Apr 2012 #28
H2O Man Apr 2012 #34
Major Hogwash Apr 2012 #38
malthaussen Apr 2012 #37
bvar22 Apr 2012 #30
H2O Man Apr 2012 #35
sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #41
ellisonz Apr 2012 #43
SalviaBlue Apr 2012 #31
Auggie Apr 2012 #32
stupidicus Apr 2012 #33
annabanana Apr 2012 #36
Eyerish Apr 2012 #39
suffragette Apr 2012 #40
sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #42
suffragette Apr 2012 #44

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:47 PM

1. K&R :) n/t

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:50 PM

2. I wish we would dissent a little LOUDER. nt

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:51 PM

3. RFK - one of the best among us, ever.

 

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 07:23 PM

16. That he was.

 

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:51 PM

4. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, H2O Man.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:53 PM

5. Stark? I'd call it depressing, but then I'm a rabble rouser. K&R

 

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 07:31 PM

17. I remember the night

 

Bobby was shot. I was 10, and hadn't seen my Mom cry like that since Dad died.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 04:03 PM

6. Recommended

There was no other like RFK. I still miss him.

H20 Man, thank you for posting his words of dissent. They are not only the words of a man looking at his country's present in 1966 -- They are also the words of a visionary.


horseshoecrab

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 04:50 PM

7. Highly recommended.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 04:59 PM

8. Recommended with sorrow

and heartache. I miss that party and we need it back so desperately. If it doesn't happen soon, we are lost.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:02 PM

9. K&R

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:03 PM

10. =) nt

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:06 PM

11. It is an honor to k&r.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:07 PM

12. I wonder what he would think of the Democratic Leadership

today where 'dissenting' bad policies, is called a 'retarded idea'.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:28 PM

14. I like to think that he would kick ass and take names later,

of course who knows.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:59 AM

29. He'd kick ass alright! While being called a basher, troll, or worse by the self proclaimed

hall monitors that pile on here. they are far too concerned with being sensible centrist to put up with his "black and white thinking" and "fabricated outrage widgets".

My money would be on him. he had real strength, not keyboard tapping strength.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:11 PM

13. K&R nt

The only democrat my republican father truly loved and respected. He would never let anyone say an ill word about RFK.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:56 PM

15. Kick, rec and

 

great post.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 07:32 PM

18. Thanks. *sigh*...RFK would love Occupy.

If he had lived to become President, there's a good chance Occupy would not even be necessary today...

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 08:20 PM

19. I want to thank

every one of you who responded/recommended this OP.

'Speck I'll print it off before Monday.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:55 PM

20. I'm late to the party, but...

Robert F. Kennedy is one of the reasons I am engaged politically today.

I met him in May 1968. He was campaigning in Oregon and came to the little backwater town where I grew up. He sure made an impression with my 13 year-old self.

When my dad woke me up that fateful night to tell me he'd been shot in California (just a few days later) I could not believe it. We'd just lost Martin and JFK was still on everyone's mind.

I've been mourning him ever since. Thanks for the post and good luck with his excellent son.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:44 AM

22. Happy to participate.

 

My grandfather took me to one of his campaign rallies when I was six.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 10:31 PM

21. K & R

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:48 AM

23. cool memento

. . . and what a bonus to find this speech and the interview with young Robert there. Good stuff!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 06:05 AM

24. Agreed.

He had a way with words that struck at the heart of the matter.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 06:34 AM

25. k&r

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 08:40 AM

26. K&R

 

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:48 AM

27. I was below voting age at the time, but he was my first introduction to a party I later joined.

I remember hanging out with my uncle who would talk about him with such rare and obvious respect and I remember him in his own words, convincing me, a 10 year old, that there were comic book heroes and then there were real ones.

My greatest regret is that the party moved on from then, from what I joined, to what it is today.

To this day
I dissent!!!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:50 AM

28. The Republicans in Idaho know all about you, H2O Man

You think I'm kidding, don't you?
Well, think again.

The Republicans in the Idaho state legislature are very aware of the little meeting you had with your state's representative this year. They were very concerned that the same sort of thing could take place right here in Idaho. You know, how a constituent in the state could request to have a meeting with his duly elected representative in the state legislature to express his feelings and wishes to block proposed fracking attempts in his own community.

So, the Republicans in the Idaho state legislature drew up a bill to prevent that very thing from happening here. They drafted a bill to prevent local communities and locally governed municipalities, like incorporated towns, villages, towns, or cities, from blocking any fracking projects by natural gas companies or to prevent prospective oil drilling projects by oil companies.

The Republicans left that bill in committee after they were told it may be unconstitutional. Yet, the committee had the support of every Republican in the House of Representatives and most of the Republicans in the state's Senate chamber.

But, that bill will come back next year.
They're going to do it.
They're determined to do it.
They'll do it here first, where the state's legislature is nearly 75% Republican.

And then they'll use it as a test case to take to other states.

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:04 PM

34. I have an

"internal document" from a recent gas/energy industry meeting, which was attended by some nationally-known politicians from both the republican and Democratic parties. Among the speakers was unconvicted killer George W. Bush. In the transcripts, one of the speakers rants about the "danger" that pro-environment, anti-hydrofrackers pose to the nation. Seriously. He calls us "insurgents."

In the grass roots/community organizers' handbook that I am currently writing, I have a short chapter on how the OSS/CIA was formed by hiring the oil industry's private intelligence workers. These corporations still have their private groups; more, their influence in "politics" is extreme, to say the least.

Even in my little corner of the world, as a result of my tiny, rather insignificant contributions to the cause, I have had a curious amount of "attention" focused upon me. A couple of major energy executives asked me last summer "how much would it take" to get me ontheir payroll as an environmental consultant? I asked them to stop, and not embarrass any of us. I get "hate mail," etc. And a few threats: one fellow found my phone number, and was starting to threaten me, when I asked him if -- due to "caller ID" -- he really wanted to talk that way to me? (He hung up!)

I've had plenty of positive responses, too. Though I am a hermit by nature, when I do go to a local grocery store, it is more common than not for someone toapproach me, introduce themselves, and thank me for the work I do.

More, using today as an example, I've had a half-dozen phone calls from people in political office (one running for Congress), asking for my help on their campaigns, as well as from a couple county democratic chairpersons. I'm a registered democrat, and have strong relationships with area social work/teachers/& carpenters' unions .... plus I am more closely connected to the Democratic Left (non-democratic party members & groups) than any other operative in this part of upstate NY.

Kind of strange, really, considering that a few years ago, I had decided to "retire" from activism.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 04:31 PM

38. The GOP wanted to outlaw any dissent that would take place here against fracking.

They would outlaw Democrats serving in the state legislature if they could get away with it.

I found out about that Republican-sponsored bill about a week after your story was in the New York Times. It seems that some of the Republicans that serve in our state's legislature can read, too.
After hearing about the bill, I asked my representative, who is a Democrat, what she thought was going on. She said that she thought that the former US Senator from Idaho, Larry Craig -- yeah, that Larry Craig -- had made some phone calls back to Idaho from his Washington office, where he has his energy policy advising company located.

Craig is from Payette, the county seat of Payette County, located on the Idaho/Oregon border in Western Idaho. The bill that the Republicans sponsored in the energy committee to prevent local communities from interfering with natural gas companies' desire to start fracking here was a companion bill that they wrote that allowed for a natural gas company to begin fracking in Payette County later this summer.

The Republican representative who sponsored the bill in the committee was the Republican representative from Payette County. The only problem was that the property that the natural gas company wanted to start their fracking project on was that representative's farm. Yet, he didn't reveal that pertinent information to the energy committee when he introduced his bill to that particular committee.

That started a short brouhaha over whether he had violated any ethics after his bill allowing for fracking was passed by the House in the state legislature. So, the Republicans agreed to have a bipartisan ad hoc committee, made up of 3 Republicans and 3 Democrats, look into the issue. The House Republicans fought off a call for a separate, independent, politically disinterested and unattached, ad hoc committee to be formed to look into those allegations. As was expected, the ad hoc committee made up of politicians concluded with the Republicans announcing that no ethics violation occurred as a result of that Republican representative not revealing to the committee that it was his own property that he wanted to allow the fracking to begin on this summer.

The most serious problem is that his farm in Payette is situated very close to the Snake River, so there is a real concern that chemicals used in the fracking process will leak or leach into the Snake River. So, lawsuits are expected to be filed later this spring by the Snake River Alliance, and other environmental groups, to get a federal judge to issue a restraining order to prevent the natural gas company from starting the fracking project to begin with, in order to examine if the law the state's legislature passed last month to allow fracking is even constitutional.

Since no environmental impact study was requested by the state to examine the possibilities of any adverse effects on the Snake River's water quality, the state may have violated the state's constitution to protect the residents of the state itself by not demanding an independent environmental study. Supposedly, as can be expected in similar fracking cases like this, the natural gas company that wants to start fracking here claimed that they have already conducted an extensive environmental study, and they found that no adverse effects will occur as a result of their own fracking project.

Another serious problem is that the Snake River flows through the border states of Oregon and Washington. So, a fracking project like the one proposed, may have adverse environmental impacts on those 2 other states as well, without them seeing a nickel's worth of profit for the state of Idaho allowing for fracking so near a federal waterway, such as the Snake River.

Although the natural gas company in question has assured Republican representatives that their fracking process is safe and environmentally sound, no independent environmental impact study was conducted by the state.

Unfortunately, that is exactly the same thing that the mining companies told the state when they started extracting silver and lead out of the ground in Northern Idaho over 50 years ago resulting in the 2nd largest Superfund Environmental Waste site in the entire country.

Supposedly, the Republicans in the state legislature said that Idaho state couldn't afford to pay for a state-ordered environmental impact study at this time. That's probably because they were too busy trying to pass a $36 million dollar tax cut to benefit corporations and the wealthy citizens that will file for tax returns with the state next year.

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:46 PM

37. They've already done something similar in Pennsylvania

... along with giving the Susquehanna River to the frackers.

-- Mal

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 12:02 PM

30. DURec, but "we dissent from" can be changed to a positive.

We DEMAND that the following be acknowledged as Basic Human Rights, and protected by our Government of The People!!!

"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

*The right of every family to a decent home;

*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

*The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens. ---FDR, Economic Bill of Rights


At one time, not so long ago,
the above RIGHTS were Democratic Party Policy,
and voting FOR The Democrats
was voting FOR the above values.

Sadly, that is no longer true,
and the people who believe in these traditional Democratic Party Values
no longer have a voice or a choice in our government.
I miss THAT Democratic Party.



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Response to bvar22 (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:05 PM

35. Very well said.

Thanks!

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 04:35 PM

41. Excellent post Bvar.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 05:29 PM

43. I want my party/country back!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 12:32 PM

31. Recommend... Thanks for posting.

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Response to SalviaBlue (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 12:44 PM

32. Ditto n/t

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 01:55 PM

33. excellent

 

and is particularly relevent given the way dissent has been so devalued in too many circles and minds.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:21 PM

36. I STILL miss this man. . . . . n/t

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 11:39 AM

39. K&R

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 01:12 PM

40. We lost so much when we lost him. On the environmental front, have you seen this important news:

Last edited Thu Apr 12, 2012, 02:03 PM - Edit history (1)

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017961101_oceanacidification12m.html
New research shows acidic ocean waters contribute to oyster deaths
Posted by Craig Welch on April 11, 2012 at 2:51 PM


Researchers said Wednesday they can definitively show that ocean acidification is at least partly responsible for massive oyster die-offs at the hatchery in Netarts Bay, Ore.

It's the first concrete finding in North America that carbon dioxide being taken up by the oceans already is helping kill marine species.

~~~

The most significant part of their work, scientists said, was that they were using real marine water under normal conditions, not seawater manipulated based on computer models.

"This is not just some lab experiment," Barton said. "This is real ocean water — from today, not from some predicted future — impacting shell formation. It's a pretty important finding."

edited for typo

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Response to suffragette (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 04:37 PM

42. Thanks for that. I believe I read it, although from a different source.

We have far too few elected officials, like RFK, willing to take a stand for the issues that truly matter. I guess it's up to us to push them.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 11:06 PM

44. Yep, and H2O is providing a shining example of doing that

Definitely one of DU's best.

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