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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2104034/A-rights-dolphins-Theyre-smart-treat-non-human-persons-say-scientists.html?ITO=1490A bill of rights for dolphins: They're so smart we must treat them as 'non human persons' say scientists
By Fiona Macrae
24 February 2012
Dolphins are so intelligent that they should be thought of as non-human persons and given their own bill of rights, it is claimed.
A coalition of scientists, philosophers and animal welfare groups have come up with a declaration of dolphin rights which they hope will one day be enshrined in law.
This would stop them being kept in zoos and waterparks, and being attacked by fishermen.
Whales would also be elevated above other animals by the list of rules, leading to whalers being classed as murderers, the American Association for the Advancement of Sciences annual conference heard in Vancouver.
Whale watching trips would be subject to regulations which would respect the creatures privacy, and developers and oil companies would have to give huge consideration to the effect their projects would have on the animals life and culture.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2104034/A-rights-dolphins-Theyre-smart-treat-non-human-persons-say-scientists.html#ixzz1rqJQ0FSV
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http://www.thewhalepeople.com/2010/10/endangered-whales-dolphins-wipe-those-smiles-off-your-faces/
... researchers announced the discovery that dolphin DNA and human DNA arent that dissimilar! In fact a dolphins genetic makeup:
is amazingly similar to humans. Theyre closer to us than cows, horses, or pigs, despite the fact that they live in the water., as quoted by Seema Kumar of Discovery Channel Online.
The extent of the genetic similarity came as a real surprise to us, says David Busbee of Texas A&M University. He hopes his research will reveal how long ago humans and dolphins branched off the evolutionary tree. Theres been some speculation that dolphins and whales, who breathe air, may have returned to the water AFTER first evolving into land animals.
Dolphins are marine mammals that swim in the ocean and it was astonishing to learn that we had more in common with the dolphin than with land mammals, says geneticist Horst Hameister.
Busbee says, If we can show that humans are similar to dolphins, and anything that endangers dolphins is an equal concern for humans, it may be easier to persuade governments to keep oceans clean.
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coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)worth mentioning. You never hear of dolphins killing millions of their own species on false pretenses.
RZM
(8,556 posts)Males will sometimes sexually assault other males:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/9172937/Dolphins-resort-to-rape.html
And they sometimes kill porpoises for fun as well:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3323070/Killer-dolphins-baffle-marine-experts.html
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)you imagine dolphins ever conducting Operation Shocking and Awful?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)There is no such thing as a nonhuman person.
Bruce Wayne
(692 posts)One connotes a being of conventional sentience, like God or Mister Spock or those talking household appliances in the Flintstones. The other refers to a particular genus of mammals--homo sapiens most notably--like Yao Ming or Ed Asner.
If there's intelligent like in the universe (and if there's not, Jodi Foster thinks it's a huuuuge waste of space) then it is by definition nonhuman persons. It might concieveably apply to dolphins, too, if there weren't so damned yummy.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)n/t
janx
(24,128 posts)G_j
(40,366 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons.
The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)So long, and thanks for all the fish.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)This common sense and progressive proclomation will certainly upset the "I'm-at-the-top-of-thefood-chain-so-I-get-to-do-what-I-want-to-the-lower-order" crowd.
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,328 posts)that returned to the water.
Thanks for the thread, G_j.
provis99
(13,062 posts)jsmirman
(4,507 posts)as I always say:
"it is insanity that the law treats corporations, which are nothing but vessels of commerce, as human beings, while treating animals, who are sentient creatures, as nothing more than vessels of commerce."
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)refrigerator and catch them and eat them to our hearts content. I will not stand for this discrimination! {sarcasm}
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)that we will find that most animals are far more intelligent than we like to imagine.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:16 AM - Edit history (1)
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)(unless you're being sarcastic, in which case that's just cruel), Thank you very much!
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)G_j
(40,366 posts)jsmirman
(4,507 posts)I was fortunate enough to view a screening of last night.
[link:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-friedrich/speciesism-the-movie-may-_b_1347514.html|
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-friedrich/speciesism-the-movie-may-_b_1347514.html]
It won't be out for another few months, but I'll be sure to let DU know when the movie becomes available to the public. It was more than worth the watch.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)jsmirman
(4,507 posts)Still, when the film comes out, I'd love for you to watch it and report back about your approval/disapproval of the various industrial practices it covers.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Someone's joking right?
hughee99
(16,113 posts)What's the test, because I'm sure there's an orangutan out there with a big enough vocabulary to say "What the fuck, I want rights too!". Also, does this mean if people are dumb enough, they don't have rights?