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jmowreader

(50,453 posts)
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:52 PM Sep 2014

The real final chapter of Atlas Shrugged

"It's been long enough," said John Galt. "The society we abandoned should have turned into an utter disaster. Now we can remake it in the proper Objectivist spirit."

The titans of industry emerged. What they saw shocked them into total disbelief.

"It's clean!" said Dagny.

"And orderly!" said Francisco.

"Everything looks like it's made of Reardan Metal," said Hank, "but I can't imagine how they did it!"

"They're riding in cars that smell like they're burning gasoline, but how?" said Ellis.

Orren stepped forth. "The people who you employed at poverty wages remembered they knew how to make the things you invented after you left. They rebuilt the factories. They capped the well you tried blowing up. They gathered up your industrial waste and made things out of it. And they invented all new things. And now that you're not skimming the till, they can pay themselves enough to live on and still return a profit. Society is ten times better now than it was when you were running things."

"Is that all they did?" John sneered.

"Nope," Orren said. "They also built a guillotine in case you guys ever came back, and there are a few people who are ready to meet you..."

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The real final chapter of Atlas Shrugged (Original Post) jmowreader Sep 2014 OP
Of course, long before then, there would be this: Geoff R. Casavant Sep 2014 #1
I figured they all starved to death Motown_Johnny Sep 2014 #11
"What do you mean, I have to learn how to farm?" Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #31
One slight edit ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #2
Agreed. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #4
Rational Selfishness Cary Sep 2014 #3
Actually, a lot ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #5
Good point! (nt) PosterChild Sep 2014 #9
Fascism boils down to a pure power grab by some self proclaimed elite group Cary Sep 2014 #10
No. Fascism has a very specific political, and/or economic meaning ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #12
There is no set definition of fascism Cary Sep 2014 #13
No set definition of fascism???? Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #14
Gee, could you be a little more dismissive and condescending? Cary Sep 2014 #16
I apologize if you felt that dismissive and conscending ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #17
You do realize that you are just an anonymous poster on the internet, right? Cary Sep 2014 #20
Come on, now ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #21
So you Googled and turned up a dictionary definition Cary Sep 2014 #22
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #23
You aren't arguing Cary Sep 2014 #24
The other, and more accurate, view might be ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #27
No, I'm not like you Cary Sep 2014 #29
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #30
How old are you? Cary Sep 2014 #33
Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #34
I thought this was it.. Fumesucker Sep 2014 #6
I was looking for BTAF to show up in this thread ... nt eppur_se_muova Sep 2014 #25
who is john galt? william edward hickman serial killer. jonjensen Sep 2014 #7
. . .and Hickman himself got the "Alcatraz Ascot" necktie. . . DinahMoeHum Sep 2014 #26
"And not a single fuck was given." NuclearDem Sep 2014 #8
I Like Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #15
That's a funny joke, but I like the French Revolution feel of mine better here jmowreader Sep 2014 #18
I always liked the alternate ending to It's a Wonderful Life TransitJohn Sep 2014 #19
I've always thought they'd all die before the end. Lunacee_2013 Sep 2014 #28
Thought they had no need for a plumber. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #32
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. One slight edit ...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:29 PM
Sep 2014
Orren stepped forth. "The people who you employed at poverty wages remembered they actually created the inventions you appropriated, and without your profit motivated interference, they were able to improve on them. After you left, they rebuilt the factories. They capped the well you tried blowing up. They gathered up your industrial waste and made things out of it. And they invented all new things. And now that you're not skimming the till, they can pay themselves enough to live on and still return a profit. Society is ten times better now than it was when you were running things."

Cary

(11,746 posts)
3. Rational Selfishness
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 06:08 PM
Sep 2014

Rational Selfishness has never worked. What's the difference between Rational Selfishness and fascism?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
5. Actually, a lot ...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 06:15 PM
Sep 2014

the closer comparison would be Ration Selfishness (if they is such a beast) and Anarchy.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
10. Fascism boils down to a pure power grab by some self proclaimed elite group
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:06 PM
Sep 2014

Rational Selfishness boils down to a pure power grab by some self proclaimed elite group.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
12. No. Fascism has a very specific political, and/or economic meaning ...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:59 PM
Sep 2014

which is only tangentially related to you summation of its meaning.

Rational selfishness does not require, or even imply, elite status ... only a selfish individual.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
13. There is no set definition of fascism
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:06 PM
Sep 2014

And Rational Selfishness is a philosophical failure. In practice it is an appeal to haters and thugs, and a pure power grab.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
16. Gee, could you be a little more dismissive and condescending?
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:15 PM
Sep 2014

The first sentence, from Wikipedia: "What constitutes a definition of fascism and fascist governments is a highly disputed subject that has proved complicated and contentious."

Pfeh. Apology accepted.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
17. I apologize if you felt that dismissive and conscending ...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:24 PM
Sep 2014

I have little patience for meritless argument.

You do realize that Wikipedia is NOT an accepted authority on anything ... right?

Cary

(11,746 posts)
20. You do realize that you are just an anonymous poster on the internet, right?
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:58 PM
Sep 2014

What status do you suppose you have?

I have Wikipedia. You have your bare assertion.

By the way I have much, much more to back my position but you have yet to show your worthy of any more effort.

Quit while you're ahead because the Wiki statement is 100%. You aren't.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
21. Come on, now ...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:11 PM
Sep 2014

Here ...

for a lay person's definition, try here:


fas·cism
noun \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\

: a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government

Full Definition of FASCISM
1

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism


For a more academic definition, see here:

http://www.academia.edu/171909/Refining_the_Concept_of_Generic_Fascism_Review_Article_

Notice your "definition", nor Wiki''s ambiguity is no where to be found.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
22. So you Googled and turned up a dictionary definition
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:26 PM
Sep 2014

That proves nothing other than you can Google and find a definition. I'm not particularly interested in your other source as your just showing me that you're a rank amateur.

Find a real scholarly source that decrees that the term is rigidly defined. You won't, of course. What you would find are many sources like this one: http://books.google.com/books/about/Fascism_in_Europe_1919_1945.html?id=ZVGAZJWJOWkC

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
23. Okay ...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:50 PM
Sep 2014

rank amateur! And you initially cite to Wiki! And even your (google) searched link (to a book I doubt you've read) "introduces the recent scholarship and continuing debates on the nature of fascism as well as the often contentious contributions by foreign historians and political scientists."

What does that phrase mean to you?

But I will not argue further ... you clearly know.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
27. The other, and more accurate, view might be ...
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 11:20 AM
Sep 2014

it is you, making the "silly ego play." Let's rehash, shall we?

It was you that provided a "definition" of Fascism, i.e., "Rational Selfishness boils down to a pure power grab by some self proclaimed elite group", that well, possibly describing its effect, is wholly unsupported by any academic.

Then, when I indicated that "Fascism has a very specific political and/or economic meaning" (an accurate statement), you made the wholly inaccurate statement that fascism has no "set definition" ... which would be news to any political scientist, and most economists.

Then, you caught feelings that someone would call you on your inaccuracy, and post a Wiki entry ... which might be an accepted reference for a middle or high school term paper; but, not much else.

Then you caught more feelings and started in on the personal attacks; rather than posting the "much, much more to back (your)position."

So, I did a google search and posted two of the findings: the first, the lay-person's definition via Webster; and a second, an academic piece ... none of which were consistent with your non-definition. I thought that would end it ... But no ...

You dismiss the "dictionary definition", without even attempting to refute it, and didn't even bother to read the second citation, as merely a google search by a "rank amateur" (the name calling continues, but substantive argumentation is wanting). Then, ironically, you post a google-searched, book description that "introduces the recent scholarship and continuing debates on the nature of fascism as well as the often contentious contributions by foreign historians and political scientists", as if that somehow supports your non-definition.

The inability to just admit you are mistaken/plain F@$king wrong, in the face of clear evidence ... choosing to advancing personal attacks, instead, is a clear indicator of "silly ego play."

But here's something else you can google: Dunning-Kruger Effect. Doing so might prove rehabilitative.



Cary

(11,746 posts)
29. No, I'm not like you
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:55 PM
Sep 2014

You're making this personal. You have your ego invested in this.

I, on the other hand, don't care about you. No offense, but you're just another two bit jerk on the internet with a silly ego agenda, trying to jerk my chain.

No one with any sense seeks actualization from an anonymous poster on an internet board, especially this one where you have all kinds of dysfunctional people thinking they're actually accomplishing something with their silly games, as if you're going to convince me that I'm not who I know I am.

You see, I am in fact a professional. I have outstanding academic credentials and 30 years of highly successful professional experience. I know these things for a fact yet you act as thought I don't. That's pathetic. You have no idea whom you're talking to here, and I know you're way, way out of your league.

I have something called "a reasonably objective argument." You can try to continue to tell me I don't, but really you're just being a fool and a jerk. I may or may not be correct but this discussion, with a fool like you, isn't any indication either way. For one thing you haven't presented a real counter-argument. For another, I wrote you off several posts ago for lack of any real substance and because you are playing a very low level, amateurish game and a very common one at that.

So I haven't presented my whole argument because you aren't worthy of it. I am having some fun rolling you around though.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
30. Okay ...
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:25 PM
Sep 2014

Mr./Ms. professional, with outstanding academic credentials and 30 years of highly successful professional experience AND a reasonably objective argument.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
34. Funny ...
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 06:41 PM
Sep 2014

I was thinking of asking you the same question ... but refrained because I was convinced you would, at best, lie, if not, provide some lame non-answer, much a kin to stomping one's feet, loudly proclaiming that you don't have to answer to me because I'm not the boss of you.

 

jonjensen

(168 posts)
7. who is john galt? william edward hickman serial killer.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 06:57 PM
Sep 2014

Ayn rand fashioned john galt after serial killer william edward hickman who she had the hots for and wrote him love letters! Also while denouncing medicare as communism she got on medicare when she needed it. again showing how phony libertarians are rand paul I was against going to war with isis before I was for it!

jmowreader

(50,453 posts)
18. That's a funny joke, but I like the French Revolution feel of mine better here
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:28 PM
Sep 2014

Another way to go: The People decided to ban cigarettes while they were locked up in Galt's Gulch, and the parasites all died from acute nicotine withdrawal.

Lunacee_2013

(529 posts)
28. I've always thought they'd all die before the end.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 11:37 AM
Sep 2014

You know, since there's no one around to cook, clean, make their clothes, treat their illnesses, farm the food and so on.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
32. Thought they had no need for a plumber.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:43 PM
Sep 2014

Broken water pipe gave all of them dysentery and typhus, The End.

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