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Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:03 PM

Dick Cheney Unchained

Q: The American people are divided on how to respond to terrorism. How would the Great Law of Peace apply to this situation?

Chief Waterman: Democracy and freedom were born at Onondaga. That is in the Hiawatha Belt. There should be peace for everyone. Peace requires freedom and democracy.

But listen: when you say people are divided, think about this. Your military is dropping bombs and food on Afghanistan. That’s a divided approach, isn’t it? What might have happened if they brought food in before? Why isn’t it just as important to fight starvation and suffering, as it is to fight for oil and money?
-- Interview with Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman; 2002



I do not know a great deal about the group “Isis.” But from the little I do know, they are violent religious fanatics, who are willing to kill other human beings over differences of opinions. So, earlier this summer, when President Obama spoke about delivering humanitarian aid to people who were starving as they fled from Isis, I thought it was a good thing.

The part about bombing Isis from the air concerned me. I do realize that we live in an imperfect world, and that there may be times when “war” is necessary. At the same time, I know one of the primary imperfections in my lifetime has been a repeated choice for the US to go to war. It is hard to ignore how similar much of the chatter coming from politicians today is to what they were saying a decade ago.

There have been a number of recordings played on the news -- I’ve seen most of it on CNN -- of the recruiting tactics of Isis. These are appeals to emotion. Their target audience is young people, generally males, who are more prone to seek the excitement of fighting for a cause that they believe involves the opportunity to be heroic. To fight for a great cause. In a very real sense, it is similar in nature to the appeal to the emotions of young adults in the United States after 9/11, to join the crusade to fight for “freedom” in Iraq, as if Saddam posed any threat to this nation.

Time and time again, it is older men who arouse the passions of young men to fight in wars that the young men mistakenly believe are noble. Yet most wars are not for anything other than access to, and control of, resources. Last year, MSNBC had a good documentary, by Rachel Maddow, that shed light on the real reasons the Bush-Cheney administration was intent upon invading Iraq: access to Iraqi oil. Clearly, most intelligent people had figured out by 2013 that it wasn’t about yellow cake or mushroom clouds; but the kids who joined the military a decade before did so for patriotic reasons, not for Halliburton’s profit margins. Or so they thought.

Likewise, intelligent people today are questioning the actual motivations of those in Washington, DC, who are more than eager to reintroduce our military into Iraq. I think that President Obama is, overall, less inclined to push for US involvement there than republicans, and even a number of democrats. Yet, for a number of reasons, he still is pursuing a dangerous path. It seems highly unlikely that an air campaign alone will defeat Isis. “No boots on the ground” is an empty promise, when special forces and “advisors” are already active in the conflict. While Obama may appear sane in contrast to John McCain, it is delusional to think that the Muslims in that region of the world will see the effort to defeat Isis as anything other than American-led. The pretense that it is an actual coalition is foolish -- is it realistic, for example, to think that Saudi Arabia is morally outraged because of the beheading of the journalists? Really?

Earlier this week, it was reported on Rachel Maddow’s show that one of the ways that Isis is making big money is by the sale of oil. Shocking, I know. Among other things, Isis is selling oil cheap to gas stations; by cutting out the middle-men, it provides a larger profit to the owners of the gas stations. That is the type of information that Americans should have, in order to make rational decisions regarding Washington’s march to war. That’s not to say that Isis isn’t a brutal, vicious outfit. But it does suggest that they might enjoy far more “local” support than most Americans realize, which would surely translate into making any effort to defeat them that much harder.

It also raises another important question: would declaring war on Isis, and engaging in a conflict with them in Iraq and Syria make us safer? Or is the exact opposite true? Would the actions of a US-led “coalition in Iraq and Syria tend to increase the chances of violence reaching the streets of American cities?

The chances of the US not becoming deeply involved in yet another of these never-ending wars is narrowing every day. It is not an issue that we can wait on until 2016, in hopes of electing a new president opposed to such a war. We need to become active today. Obviously, too many of those in office in DC are avoiding having a real debate, including a vote, on the topic. Part of the reason is because of the upcoming elections. More, it is because the legislative branch refuses to accept the responsibility that the Constitution absolutely places upon them, as far as war powers. If Isis is indeed a “JV” team, then the US Senate must be competing in the pee-wee league.

I’ve just come home, after watching a high school boys soccer game. As I was watching the competition, I found myself wondering how many of these young men might be asked to don a uniform, and go to war, in the next few years. It makes me sick to think that it’s coming to this, yet again.

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procon Sep 2014 #1
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Octafish Sep 2014 #2
H2O Man Sep 2014 #7
GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #3
hootinholler Sep 2014 #4
H2O Man Sep 2014 #8
hootinholler Sep 2014 #10
H2O Man Sep 2014 #13
malaise Sep 2014 #5
H2O Man Sep 2014 #9
G_j Sep 2014 #11
panader0 Sep 2014 #12
dickprez2016 Sep 2014 #14
H2O Man Sep 2014 #15
Phentex Sep 2014 #16
uppityperson Sep 2014 #17
countryjake Sep 2014 #18

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:24 PM

1. There's the most profound and defining question of our times...

Why isn’t it just as important to fight starvation and suffering, as it is to fight for oil and money?



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Response to procon (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:54 PM

6. Right.

The concepts of what real leadership involves is very different at Onondaga, compared to DC.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:28 PM

2. Words of wisdom, H20 Man.

People remember who helps them as much as who hurts them. Rather than spending $2 billion a day bombing folks, we should be spending whatever it takes to feed, house, clothe and employ people -- here and around the world.

If Washington followed what they mean, rather than making people fear us, they would friends. They might even sell us the oil at a discount. One thing's for sure, there would be a lot more peace in the world.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:59 PM

7. The interviews

that I did with Paul were amazing. We did four of them, over a nine year period, for publication in a Native American newspaper. My sons put them together, as part of their book about 12,000 years of Indian occupation of the northeast. When I miss the Old Man, I like to read through them.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:39 PM

3. There is so much wrong in this sentence I couldn't get beyond it:

Among other things, Isis is selling oil cheap to gas stations.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:44 PM

4. I was wondering the other night

What our position would be if we had spent half of the MIC budget on aid both here and worldwide.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 10:00 PM

8. In my opinion,

if we did that, we'd realize that we are in the Garden.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:49 AM

10. I'm assuming you mean the biblical garden

I've always viewed Genesis as a weird cautionary tale.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:40 AM

13. I had a

different concept in mind. It's one that Rubin spoke of often. Every person's life, when lived correctly, is their garden; collectively, humans form the garden.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:47 PM

5. Great post

Rec

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Response to malaise (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 10:00 PM

9. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:53 AM

11. "..those in office in DC are avoiding having a real debate.."

as is the corporate media. absolutely tragic...

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:57 AM

12. Morning kick

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:31 PM

14. Cheney

 

10 Reasons Dick Cheney will be the president in 2016.

Why is everyone assuming Hillary Clinton will run for office, but absolutely no one will say Dick Cheney is planning a run? Okay, Ed Shultz did briefly. But I am banging the table on the this one! Dick wants in!

Who has published more books since the last election? Who has made more public appearances?

“Dick Cheney vs. Hillary Clinton in 2016” is something we should see everywhere. But it’s not. Why?

I would love to hear one reason why anyone thinks Dick Cheney is NOT running for president. Please.

Here are 10 reasons he is running. (And will probably win.)

1. He is healthy.

People say the opposite; he is too old, his heart is bad. I say he’s been having heart attacks since he was 37. “It has never effected my work,” he claims. Obviously, he has access to top-notch health care professionals. He has the heart of a 20-year-old, and, on top of that, has proven he doesn’t even need a human heart to stay alive. Remember the pump he was showing off during the press tour for his memoir ‘In My Time’? There is more of an argument for the fact he will live forever.

2. He has absolutely zero competition.

Can you imagine any of these clowns beating Dick Cheney in a debate for the Republican nomination?

Mr. Christie? Did Bridgegate break him? His health is more of a concern than Cheney’s.

Romney? Did he adopt a black baby to appear less white? Did it work? 47% says No.

Palin? Ha.

Bauchmann? Ha. Ha.

Newt? No.

Paulenty? (sp?) Who?

Santorum? He is now a movie producer in the Christian film industry.

Paul Ryan? He is youthful and Cheney once said “he worshiped the ground Ryan walked on.” But no.

Rand Paul? He will run unsuccessfully every four years for the remainder the 21st century.

Jeb Bush? He is relatively unknown besides coming across as the smart Bush. He is the perfect VP. His recent compassionate comments about immigrants coming to America illegally for the love of their families is sure to win some of the illusive latino votes for Republicans.

3. His has an impressive resume.

He has held every major role in close proximity to the Presidency. Chief of Staff. Secretary of Defense. Vice-President. No one has a better resume. In the animal kingdom we call this circling the prey.

4. He has an effective marketing campaign.

With a network like Fox News in existence marketing expenses for his campaign will be minimal. Hillary Clinton will break records for the most money raised in the history of elections, but Dick Cheney will hardly need to raise money. Keep reading.

5. His daughter is a lesbian.

This will win a huge part of the vote other Republican’s won’t go near. Any reputable Democrat is already on board with marriage equality, so at the very least Cheney’s slight support on the issue negates this as a polarizing issue.

6. He is a War President.

Do we need a war president? We do not. But if we did need a War President Dick Cheney would be ushered in. Sure, that is a big if, but it is real.

7. Liberals will vote for him.

If there is an attack before Obama leaves office, the entire country, ’Left Wing Loons’ included, would be frothing at the mouth for Cheney to take office and go waterboard anyone he wanted. Imagine an American city reduced to ruins by a terrorist.

Have you noticed every time Dick Cheney is speaking he mentions his fear of another, perhaps larger attack? “…terrorists armed with a nuclear, chemical or biological agent of some kind.” Roll the montage.

“Imagine deaths of 300,000 instead of just 3,000” - Donald Rumsfeld said on The Daily Show flogging his memoir.

Do they know something? Absolutely no one else mentions this.

(While we’re on the topic of Rumsfeld, why did he agree to do / initiate that documentary with Errol Morris?)

8. He has been campaigning for 6 years.

The marketing tour for his book “In My Time” was the largest campaign for a political memoir of all time. He was telling his story and sticking to his guns: completely unapologetic and decisive in times of crisis. He separated himself from Bush and exhibited a very human recovery from his heart transplant.

More importantly, he has publicly opposed every decision the Obama administration has endorsed. Especially those decisions he claims have weakened our homeland security and foreign policy. If there is another attack Dick Cheney will be the first to say “Told ya.”

9. It has been his life’s ambition.

He has been preparing the role of the presidency for extreme and ultimate power for a long time. Since the age of 34 he has been in close proximity to the presidency and a strong advocate against reducing the power of the president. Check out the laws he added while he was Vice President. Did you know the President is allowed to assume a dictatorship and also absorb Canada in the case of a national emergency - factors of which can be solely decided by the US President. (I sound like a conspiracy theorist saying it - but these are facts!)

10. His has not retired.

When Republicans retire they go away. Cheney is very much in the picture. Democrats have a long history of doing good after they leave office but Republicans vanish. Compare Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, and Bill Clinton to the complete absence of George W. Bush, George H.W Bush, Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, and Gerald Ford. Dick Cheney is everywhere. He is far from done.

11. He protected America from a second attack.

Although he seems to forget 9/11 happened on his watch, he is quick to point out he prevented a second attack over the next seven and half years of his vice-presidency. He would be the first to say the Obama Administration has spent the last six years dismantling the safeguard his administration put in place.

** Bonus reason

12. He wants Canada.

Let’s go one step beyond an attack on American soil. What if there was an attack on Canadian soil? Not only would the US look like a hero coming to the rescue, but the US would have an easier time recruiting allies around the world for another war on terror if peaceful unsuspecting Canada was attacked.

Why Canada? Canada has the oil sands. Canada has the Great White North full of untaped resources. Canada has one fifth the world’s supply of fresh water in The Great Lakes.

It seems strange no one is predicting his run. It seems obvious.

Again, please - I beg you - prove me wrong.

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Response to dickprez2016 (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:36 PM

15. Awesome!

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Response to dickprez2016 (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:44 PM

16. You sound like the person who told me Newt would be nominee...

didn't happen. I disagree with all of your facts except that his daughter is a lesbian. Which, of course, will keep the teabaggers away.

People don't like him. Even Republicans don't like him. Liberals will most certainly not vote for him.

From Wiki: In a May 2, 2011, interview with ABC News, Cheney praised the Obama administration for the operation that resulted in the killing of Osama bin Laden.

So, he praised the President at least once.

I can't prove you wrong but you can't prove me wrong either.

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Response to dickprez2016 (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:57 PM

17. Are you SERIES?!?!!?

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:59 PM

18. Thanks for your thoughtful and moving post, H20 Man!

It's refreshing (and hopeful) to see such questions raised here.

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