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TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:36 PM Sep 2014

Well, is everyone afraid of the subway threat, yet?

Bomb, bomb, bomb,

bomb, bomb, Iran.




A response of mine from below

I think New Yorkers might have reason to fear

But when you want to wage war, it's good to instill some fear.

How in the heck do ordinary citizens know which threats are real threats and which aren't? I sure don't trust the powers that be in charge of our intelligence, and that's what the president has to rely on.

Stay safe.

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Well, is everyone afraid of the subway threat, yet? (Original Post) TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 OP
Sorry, but what threat? zappaman Sep 2014 #1
that new terror group, the Kardashian Group (or something like that) NightWatcher Sep 2014 #2
The Khardashian Group? zappaman Sep 2014 #5
actually they're the Khorasan Group and they're just like the Kardashians NightWatcher Sep 2014 #19
Yeah, her butt can cause riots. Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #62
The Khardashian group. LOL nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #18
No more cheese in their sandwiches. lpbk2713 Sep 2014 #6
WTF? zappaman Sep 2014 #15
Damn...that means you have repeat the entire day dixiegrrrrl Sep 2014 #29
Afraid - we do not have one where I live. However, even if it turns out to be false I want my jwirr Sep 2014 #3
A subway runs a half block from under my building in NYC. JaneyVee Sep 2014 #4
I think New Yorkers might have reason to fear TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #9
And there we are. At the crossroads of reality and snark Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #24
If I wanted to be snarky I would say the OP is safe as there isn't anything worth targeting in Texas DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #34
Ok. Thanks. Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #35
With all the discussions here about the MIC wanting to wage war TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #37
The MIC? Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #38
And I do apologize for hitting a raw nerve. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #39
No worries Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #40
Back at ya! TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #43
In Florida Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #46
I won't pile on... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #45
I hear you Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #47
The threat is BS and is already being dismissed. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #48
No. And I take the subway everyday. N/T Chathamization Sep 2014 #7
I never liked their food... Fla_Democrat Sep 2014 #8
They must be coming out with a new gutbomb...literally pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #25
No, It doesn't seem likely... They apparently lack the capability. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #10
Afraid? No. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2014 #11
Showing clips of folks using the subway as the media dialled up the fear juice...terrorists thank Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #12
What subway threat? I hadn't heard of this. arcane1 Sep 2014 #13
To some extent yes. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #14
wonder when they'll trot out the frogmen again... KG Sep 2014 #16
Not particularly. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #17
ISIS lacks the capbility DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #23
Almost 41 years ago. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #27
Not much for you to be concerned about. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #30
I don't ride subways, so I am ok FrodosPet Sep 2014 #20
Thank you Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #26
Nah....Although I do ride the subways when I go to New York City Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #21
No and I still don't know the name of the new Irawi PM though malaise Sep 2014 #22
January 8, 1977. March 20, 1995. March 11, 2004. July 7, 2005. FrodosPet Sep 2014 #31
We don't have any subways here. upaloopa Sep 2014 #28
Subway's BMT sandwich is a threat to health. nt Xipe Totec Sep 2014 #32
So you don't like it when the Admin keeps information from you. randome Sep 2014 #33
You mean the one that has already been debunked? SomethingFishy Sep 2014 #36
stocking up on tuna, plastic and duct tape as I type notadmblnd Sep 2014 #41
UNREC brooklynite Sep 2014 #42
Kind of my point. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #44
Not from me - and I'm in NYC LiberalElite Sep 2014 #49
But your insinuation is that this is desired by the US Government... brooklynite Sep 2014 #56
Cuomo's going to ride this for whatever it's worth. Quite literally. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2014 #50
Sorry but I am more afraid of the Police, Deputy’s and State Patrol. Nobel_Twaddle_III Sep 2014 #51
I'm wondering JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #52
Are the subways really going to play Politicalboi Sep 2014 #53
Oh Noes Chisox08 Sep 2014 #54
With vast respect for all the people who ride the subway daily, I think it's hype. herding cats Sep 2014 #55
3 weeks in and you've got the lingo/mindset for this forum NAILED Number23 Sep 2014 #57
Self deleted below because I meant to respond to you, personally TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #58
What's a subway? Rex Sep 2014 #59
New York Subway rider here RedCappedBandit Sep 2014 #60

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
29. Damn...that means you have repeat the entire day
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:54 PM
Sep 2014

only with FEAR!!!!

or
You could Lindsay Graham to do it for you.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. Afraid - we do not have one where I live. However, even if it turns out to be false I want my
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:39 PM
Sep 2014

government to pay attention. All threats should be taken seriously.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
4. A subway runs a half block from under my building in NYC.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:39 PM
Sep 2014

But since you're in Texas you have nothing to worry about.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
9. I think New Yorkers might have reason to fear
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:40 PM
Sep 2014

But when you want to wage war, it's good to instill some fear.

How in the heck do ordinary citizens know which threats are real threats and which aren't? I sure don't trust the powers that be in charge of our intelligence, and that's what the president has to rely on.

Stay safe.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
37. With all the discussions here about the MIC wanting to wage war
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:04 PM
Sep 2014

and how they'll do anything to get us into a war, you think this kind of question is snark?

This is not to make light of any thing that could happen or has happened, but many here seem darn sure that the military industrial complex and other assorted corporatists will do anything to get us into war. Questioning threats is a natural result of that belief.


 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
38. The MIC?
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:13 PM
Sep 2014

I might agree with you they are running to the bank over the last 13 years.

BUT,
It wasn't the MIC that beheaded James Foley
It's not becuause of the MIC why EVERY New Yorker looked up for 5 years after a plane flew over
And I'm sorry to say it wasn't the MIC at the podium of the UN yesterday.


And while your criticism is valid, don't be surprised if your words touch a raw nerve that every New Yorker cotinues to live with every time we swipe our metro card.

Yes, are we getting on the train. Yes, are we doing it while reading our phones. Yes, do we just wish it was Friday. But it's there.

That's all.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
45. I won't pile on...
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:25 PM
Sep 2014

I will say I ride the Los Angles Metro (subway) every day. In fact I am leaving my home in Woodland Hills (suburban Los Angeles) to meet my girlfriend in downtown Los Angles in a half hour or so. The trip takes approximately one and one half hours. Approximately one hour is spent on a dedicated bus line and the the other half hour is spent on the subway.

There are a few exceptions but most of those poo pooing the threat don't rely on the subway to meet their transportation needs.

BTW, I used to ride the NY subway all the time as a kid. It was scary in the 70s.




 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
47. I hear you
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:34 PM
Sep 2014

And no offense (pile on) taken if that was directed at me.


Their is a way to get the point across. And truth be told, this threat probably is bullshit, which frankly does more to trust in the President than my fear of boarding a train.

However, after Madrid and London and I think Tokyo if memory serves, not to mention 9/11, everyone one the millions of New Yorkers that take the train feel the, albeit, slight presence.


Yeah, can't imagine what the 70's were like, but my wife and inlaws tell me about the 80's.


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
48. The threat is BS and is already being dismissed.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:40 PM
Sep 2014

But subways seem like a juicy target and they have been hit before.


The L A Sheriff dept has a huge presence on the subway. And those deputies are jacked.


However the transit police seems to be more concerned that your tap card is valid.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
10. No, It doesn't seem likely... They apparently lack the capability.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:40 PM
Sep 2014

That being said I ride the L A Metro at least five times a week. If you don't think that's a target rich environment there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,069 posts)
11. Afraid? No.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:41 PM
Sep 2014

But it is reasonable to pay attention. We know what happened when Bush blew off the August 2001 intelligence briefing. No need to panic but it would be stupid to ignore it.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. Showing clips of folks using the subway as the media dialled up the fear juice...terrorists thank
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:41 PM
Sep 2014

the media for doing their dirty work for them.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
14. To some extent yes.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:42 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:21 PM - Edit history (1)

I take these things in seriously but i still rode the subway today.

I had to show my bag to the police today.


NYers are used to it but it is scary.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,702 posts)
30. Not much for you to be concerned about.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:56 PM
Sep 2014

Some folks have to ride the subway every day.

ISIS lacks the capability but to poo poo the idea of terrorists targeting the subway strikes me as myopic at best and callous at worst.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
20. I don't ride subways, so I am ok
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:46 PM
Sep 2014

But I can see where people in London and Madrid might be taking it seriously.







 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
21. Nah....Although I do ride the subways when I go to New York City
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:47 PM
Sep 2014

I go there quite often, but I won't be scared to ride the subways.

malaise

(267,455 posts)
22. No and I still don't know the name of the new Irawi PM though
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:47 PM
Sep 2014

I think he thought he'd get some attention for this one. Maybe he's learning from the neo-cons that crying wolf works.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
28. We don't have any subways here.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:53 PM
Sep 2014

What would be gained by bombing subways. Everyone would then convert to Islam?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
33. So you don't like it when the Admin keeps information from you.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:59 PM
Sep 2014

And you don't like it when they give you information. Because everything they say must be a lie, right?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
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SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
36. You mean the one that has already been debunked?
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:04 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/iraqi-report-isis-subway-threat-knocked-down-n211496

"A wide range of U.S. intelligence sources told NBC News that there is no evidence of any current threat against the subways, after Iraq’s prime minister told reporters that ISIS is plotting an imminent attack.

In a meeting with journalists at the United Nations, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said he had just learned of the plot by foreign fighters of the Islamic State group in Iraq to attack subway systems in the U.S. and Paris. He said it had not been thwarted and that the United States had been alerted....

snip..

Virtually every major U.S. law enforcement agency and intelligence agency said they had no evidence of any such plot. The report is viewed as "total bunk," according to a senior intelligence official.


brooklynite

(93,626 posts)
42. UNREC
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:19 PM
Sep 2014

This harping on a warning by the Iraqi Prime Minister as an excuse to scare us into miltary action is stupid, given that the US has ALREADY SAID THEY HAVE NO SUCH INTELLIGENCE.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
44. Kind of my point.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:23 PM
Sep 2014

They don't need intelligence for this to run for hours on cable news, but I'll bet support for the war just went up ten points.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
49. Not from me - and I'm in NYC
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:55 PM
Sep 2014

The new normal is: There's always National Guard troops in Penn Station and Grand Central. Occasionally there's heavily armed robo-cops in front of the Chrysler Building. On every subway ride they run a recorded announcement: "if you see something say something."

And to accompany the traditional late September traffic jams due to the U.N. opening, the NYPD anti-terrorism elves put big concrete blocks in front of the Hyatt Grand Central. Kinda impedes the heavy pedestrian traffic but it is what it is.

My point is, NYC is on every terrorist's short list regardless of what this guy says. Nevertheless, I feel I'm much more likely to be hit by a reckless cyclist than blown up by a terrorist.

brooklynite

(93,626 posts)
56. But your insinuation is that this is desired by the US Government...
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:07 PM
Sep 2014

...based on absolutely no evidence of behavior by the Obama Administration.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
50. Cuomo's going to ride this for whatever it's worth. Quite literally.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:58 PM
Sep 2014

Bloomberg ginned-up a subway bomb scare two weeks before the 2005 election against Fernando Ferrer and went from a +5 lead to a twenty point win.

Seriously... you can't get any lower than New York politicians.

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
52. I'm wondering
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:36 PM
Sep 2014

Why that threat when it was expressed - was the first Fed Gov heard of it. If what I'm hearing is correct - then the Iraq Leadership did not even share that with President Obama first.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
53. Are the subways really going to play
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:36 PM
Sep 2014

That Lindsay Graham video on board. "Oh the humanity" Terra! Terra! Terra!

Chisox08

(1,898 posts)
54. Oh Noes
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:44 PM
Sep 2014

I was going to take the Red Line to the Sox game this weekend. Now I gave to be afraid very afraid.

ISIS is the new boogie man after Obama had the last one killed. Once ISIS is taken out there will be a new boogie man to replace them.

herding cats

(19,545 posts)
55. With vast respect for all the people who ride the subway daily, I think it's hype.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:59 PM
Sep 2014

The Iraqi PM claims something is verifiable which they've been told by a prisoner and even our own intelligence people say they've not heard peep about? It sounds very much to me like he's trying to escalate our involvement by using fear on US citizens.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but so be it. It's what I thought when I first read the story today and I'm going with my gut. Think about it, when is the last time the US has real intelligence on a terror plot and some warmonger didn't get it leaked to them and come out screaming how the Democrats are soft on terror and we were all going to die because of them? Heck, they'd even do that if it were a bogus rumor going around. I just find this to be too suspect to believe it's genuine.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
61. Self deleted below because I meant to respond to you, personally
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 09:32 AM
Sep 2014

I wanted to say that I joined over one of the last Texas bashing threads to post a photo of Ann Richards - wearing a hat, of course. I've lurked for years and years, but have refrained from joining because I know this is addicting.

Anyway, I joined, but couldn't figure out how to post a photo, though.

Hence, my name.

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