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Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:29 AM

Muslim prayer BAD, Tebowing OK

I thought I caught this while watching the game between KC and New England tonight.

KC was beating down NE, I was watching while eating a sandwich in a local Pizza joint. The game is out of hand early in the 4th, Brady drops back and misses the underneath coverage, who is just camped and waiting for the throw, Brady lets go, dude picks of ball and returns it about 30 yards for a TD. Nothing remarkable, the guy goes down to his knees, camera cuts away.

Then there is a 15 yard penalty on the play, WHAT THE HELL?!, and I can recall the guy going down to his knees before the cutaway. NO FUCKING WAY, I THINK!! YUP, FUCKING WAY! watch the whole thing.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/muslim-nfl-player-penalized-for-praying-after-touchdown/

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Reply Muslim prayer BAD, Tebowing OK (Original post)
rufus dog Sep 2014 OP
liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #1
joeglow3 Sep 2014 #6
liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #8
SoapBox Sep 2014 #12
DesertDiamond Sep 2014 #13
joeglow3 Sep 2014 #16
liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #20
joeglow3 Sep 2014 #23
liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #24
kcr Sep 2014 #26
DesertDiamond Sep 2014 #14
joeglow3 Sep 2014 #17
liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #25
billhicks76 Sep 2014 #15
joeglow3 Sep 2014 #18
billhicks76 Sep 2014 #29
joeglow3 Oct 2014 #35
RB TexLa Sep 2014 #2
rufus dog Sep 2014 #3
GummyBearz Sep 2014 #33
world wide wally Sep 2014 #4
JI7 Sep 2014 #5
hrmjustin Sep 2014 #7
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #10
exboyfil Sep 2014 #9
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #11
Seeking Serenity Sep 2014 #32
joeglow3 Sep 2014 #19
Johonny Sep 2014 #28
malaise Sep 2014 #21
LeftinOH Sep 2014 #22
dilby Sep 2014 #27
n2doc Sep 2014 #30
Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #31
Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #34

Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:36 AM

1. I am a buddhist and I aspire to be tolerant and respectful but I have to tell you some

Christians make it very difficult.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:59 AM

6. As a Buddhist, I hope you can see what is wrong with your statement.

 

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:04 AM

8. If you're talking about not capitalizing Buddhist, I doubt Buddha would care about something

so trivial. What he would want is for me to work on quelling my anger at the people who treated this Muslim football player so badly. It's not easy to recognize injustice and fight for justice without getting angry, but that is indeed what I should be doing and what I will do.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:12 AM

12. +100

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:43 AM

13. Correct, liberal_at_heart. Buddhism teaches that there is an enlightened aspect to all emotions and

anger against injustice is enlightened anger. As long as you use it to help create justice without harming anyone, and determine to respect the buddhahood of even those who are unjust, then you are practicing Shakyamuni's Lotus Sutra correctly. Well done!

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:29 AM

16. I am talking about lumping an entire group together

 

We don't tolerate against blacks. We don't tolerate it against homosexuals. We don't tolerate it against women. We DO, however, tolerate it against christians.

Like any group, there are good and bad. Last I checked, the majority of Catholics voted Democratic. You wouldn't know it here, because the presumption is that 100% are right wing fundamentalists. It isn't right and a Buddhist would know that.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:42 AM

20. I guess you didn't read the part where I said some Christians.

Some could be as few as two. I didn't say all. I didn't say many. I didn't say majority. I said some, and that includes the referees that found it necessary to penalize this player. I'm hearing this morning that it was the slide to the knees that they were penalizing. They could have overlooked that. As a Seahawks fan I can tell you our guys can get pretty rough and get a lot of penalties, but they don't get called for every rough play. The referees use discretion in when they make calls. They didn't have to call this penalty. At the very least it was insensitive. At worst it was discrimination. My father is an evangelical Christian and he lives with me so believe me I get plenty of chances to practice being tolerant, respectful, and keeping my mouth shut but like I said it is not always easy. I do see it as my duty as a Buddhist to quell my anger, but I also see it as my duty to not let my or others freedoms be taken away and that is exactly what is taking place. We must not become like them; prejudice, judgemental, discriminatory, angry, and hateful. But we must not allow them take our freedom away without a fight, non-violent of course. I do believe in non violence. Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. taught us that non violence can be one of the most powerful weapons humans can have.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:54 AM

23. I stand corrected

 

My ipad cut off the topic title before "some" and I did not see it when I clicked on it.

My bad!

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #23)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:42 AM

24. no problem.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:48 AM

26. This is exactly why I don't care when some get in a huff when "some" isn't included every time.

Because it doesn't even matter when it is included. Some huffery over the word some isn't even about the word some.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:47 AM

14. Anger against injustice is indeed Buddhism. As long as we fight for justice without harming others

and keep in mind to recognize the buddhahood even in those who perpetrate injustice, that is Buddhism.

In Buddhism, there is enlightened anger and unenlightened anger. Even when we experience unenlightened anger we are still Buddha, and if we recognize that and do our best to win over our negativity, then we are also still practicing Buddhism.

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Response to DesertDiamond (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:34 AM

17. Does Buddhism teach that it is appropriate to lump entire groups together?

 

Does it teach lumping all blacks together? How about homosexuals? Women?

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Response to DesertDiamond (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:43 AM

25. That was lovely. You said it better than I did. Well said.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 03:01 AM

15. Nothing Wrong With Their Statement

 

But their is with yours.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:34 AM

18. Oh, I want to hear this...

 

Please, elaborate.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:21 PM

29. You're Not Worth It

 

Read the thread.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #29)

Wed Oct 1, 2014, 01:49 AM

35. Actually, I cleared it up up thread and apologized

 

Glad that person had the patience to not be an asshole.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:36 AM

2. Unbelievable


I have more important things to pray about than being thankful I was successful in a football play. But a small showing of prayer or acknowledgment of God/Allah/Whoever isn't unsportsmanlike. This, making the sign of the cross, clasp hands, pointing to the sky or even Tebowing. None are over the top or any kind of in your face display.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:39 AM

3. Agree completely

Just find it shocking that a crew found it acceptable to penalize a player for praying to his god.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:33 PM

33. They were just too quick on the draw

 

The rule says you can't slide to the ground in order to celebrate, with the exception being its a personal religious act. The ref's were too quick on the draw to throw the penalty flag and it should have been just picked up after they saw what he was doing. The NFL made a public statement saying this today.

What would have been really upsetting is if a christian "Tebow'd" during an Arab soccer game... instead of a 15 yard penalty he would be getting decapitated as we speak.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:40 AM

4. I'm sure God gives two shits if a millionaire scores a touchdown

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:45 AM

5. i think both are stupid but i don't believe in god

but even if i did it seems stupid to pray for or over something like that .

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:01 AM

7. i hope they challenge this ruling somehow.

 

Talk about blatant discrimination.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:06 AM

10. Being that it was a 15 yard penalty while leading 41-7

I doubt they'll care.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:03 AM

9. The football player said he thought

the flag was for sliding to his knees. He may not have been flagged if he had first stopped and then prayed. I am not sure Tebow prayed immediately after a touchdown so I don't know if the two cases are equivalent. Brandon Marshall may be a better example.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/chiefs-player-gets-penalized-after-kneeling-in-muslim-prayer-035223137.html

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:10 AM

11. Let's be honest, he was penalized for pick 6ing Tom Brady

You just don't do that in the No Fun League.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:32 PM

32. That's what DH said!

How funny!

"Unsportsmanlike conduct. Having the temerity to score on an interception of Tom Brady. 15 yards of genuflecting to be assessed on the kickoff." Or something like that.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:37 AM

19. Honestly, I would guess the official was ignorant

 

Certainly not excusable, but I doubt an official would risk a lucrative job by demonstrating blatant discrimination on national television.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:11 AM

28. The official was right but the NFL has vague unwritten rules that make them wrong even when right

The league’s rule book prohibits players from celebrating while on the ground, but spokesman Michael Signora wrote in an email Tuesday that “the officiating mechanic in this situation is not to flag a player who goes to the ground as part of religious expression, and as a result, there should have been no penalty on the play.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article2324330.html

So you can't go to the ground to celebrate by rule... only you can based on unwritten magic rule. I hope that clears things up for everyone. If you worship invisible being(s) in the sky then going to the ground in celebration is okay, but if you make a snow angel then it is 15 yrds because the NFL hates angels made of snow. Frankly the official made the right call and the penalty is and always has been stupid. I'll cut the official some slack because of the vagueness of the NFL rulebook on this. You can't have magic unwritten rules and not expect stupid rulings on the field.


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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:44 AM

21. Simple truth

Tebow did this with regularity and was never called for it.


Personally I hate all prayer associated with sport.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:54 AM

22. Neither God nor Allah nor Cthulu care about football. n/t

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:53 AM

27. Pretty sure Tebow never did his prayer on the field or in the endzone.

It was always on the sideline after the play. I think this has to do with the NFL rule on end zone celebrations which are frowned upon and generally flagged as penalties if it is deemed taunting.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:31 PM

31. Do people really think that there's some sort of Omnipotent Omniscient Supernatural Leader

 

of the Universe (a universe made up of multi-billions of galaxies) who is currently focusing on some dumbass game on one little patch of turf on some obscure little planet?

Having said that, I do believe that the double standard favoring one brand of silly organized superstition over another is wrong.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Wed Oct 1, 2014, 12:02 AM

34. NFL have admitted wrong and apologised

There's a lot to dislike about the NFL but I think we can chalk this one up to one overzealous ref and let it go.

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