Hillary Hanging Loose at the Havana

[bigtree]

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton yesterday went dancing after midnight at Cafe Havana, a Cartagena bar known for its Cuban music, after a day of diplomacy at the Summit of the Americas.

Accompanied by security agents, Clinton had a drink at the salsa bar and then danced with a posse of her female aides, relaxing after a day at the side of US President Barack Obama at the roughly 30-nation summit . . .





“She looked like she was having a great time,” said a person who saw Clinton at the bar and spoke on condition of anonymity.

A US State Department official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, confirmed Clinton went dancing at the bar. Asked if she had fun, the official replied: “A lot.”


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[Cooley Hurd]

1. I get the sense that the Secretary knows how to have fun...

[YellowRubberDuckie]

45. She's married to Bill.

I can't see him marrying a fuddy duddy, but that's just me.

[etherealtruth]

2. Good for her!

[KT2000]

3. Love this!

Good for her - she deserves some fun. Looks like she is having fun with her staff - bet she is a good person to work for too.

[JDPriestly]

4. Hillary has fun when she gets her way.

I will never forget the video in which she was rude to a very nice group of Code Pink women.

Hillary is only fun if she is getting her way and everyone is agreeing with her preconceived ideas. That's my impression of her.

She needs to apologize to the women of Code Pink. I wasn't one of them, and there are probably many like me who were offended by her stubborn defense of the Iraq War in speaking to women who had visited Iraq and knew the truth better than Hillary did.

Since I and many others would not be included in a private apology, I hope that Hillary will apologize publicly - about having been wrong on Iraq and about having been rude to the Code Pink women who were trying to warn her that she was making a mistake and also to people like me who have seen the ugly side of Hillary Clinton.

[AtomicKitten]

11. Good lord, if I can cut her a break and laugh with these pictures ...

is it too much to ask to check your baggage for just a tiny moment?!!

Secretary-of-stating is a tough job and she's entitled to get her swerve on once in a while.

[dionysus]

18. jeebus.

(facepalm)

[ag_dude]

23. you must be a blast

at parties

[rdking647]

25. i dont think she care whether you forgive you or not......

she doesnt need to apologize to anyone

[DevonRex]

26. Let me get this straight.

Some Code Pink women "visited Iraq" and because of that "visit" that made them experts on Iraq and more knowledgeable on Iraq than SOS Hillary Clinton? They "knew the truth better than Hillary did"? Really?

They "tried to warn her that she was making a mistake" and she was rude to them so she owes them an apology. And she owes you an apology since you've seen the ugly side of Hillary Clinton? That about sum it up?

First, I admire Code Pink immensely. Second, any group like that takes its chances when speaking to a powerful person with the full weight of an entire department behind them which does massive amounts of research on a daily basis and has up-to-the second information at its fingertips. Third, Hillary wasn't new at this, even back then, whenever it was. She's been in this a long, long time. Her "preconceived ideas" came from years of immersion in the affairs of this country, as the First Lady, as a Senator and now as SoS.

If Code Pink went in with the attitude that she was "new" at the game and that they knew better, having decided to form a group and having visited Iraq once, then they just "might" have offended the Secretary of State of the United States right from the get go. Just a hunch.

[JDPriestly]

27. It wasn't just Code Pink that knew better.

As we now know, the "evidence" about WMDs and terrorism in Iraq was a lot of lies. Code Pink and millions of demonstrators all around the world plus the United Nations Inspection team knew it was lies. Hillary didn't. I wonder what the "evidence" was that Hillary based her false beliefs upon. Kucinich didn't believe that evidence. Neither did some other very intelligent truly liberal or progressive leaders in and out of Congress.

Hillary is a shill for the rich, the powerful and the status quo. That is pretty much who and what she is. I used to admire her a lot.

It's like one day you wake up and you notice that something you always liked tastes bitter. Hillary just has not moved along with reality. She tends to agree with whatever will give her the greatest political advantage. And, yes, I think that is a moral flaw.

When was the last time that Hillary really stood up for someone or something that was devastatingly unpopular among her rich and famous friends?

[ag_dude]

46. Health Care Reform

.

[Beacool]

30. What the hell does your rant have to do with Hillary having a beer at midnight with her aides???

There's a place and time for everything.

Hillary is a lot of fun to be around. Try learning from her and chill out.

[JDPriestly]

37. It has to do with the fact that I increasingly see rah, rah Hillary posts,

and I suspect that there are some who would like to see her as vice-president.

No, thank you. I do not want to see Hillary Clinton as Vice President. I just don't trust her.

She is close enough in line for the top job already. I want someone whose ego is satisfied with the job of Vice President, and I think that Hillary's ego is much too big for that.

Also, Hillary and Bill Clinton made a lot of mistakes while Bill Clinton was president. She talks like a liberal but has too many conservative ideas and friends for me.

So that is what it has to do with the publicity about her so-called "partying." That's all it is -- public relations intended to make Hillary look more "human," more down-to-earth. Public relations campaigns like that are for people who are running for office, not for those planning to retire soon.

[Beacool]

41. Her ego???

I bet that you haven't even met Hillary. Where do you get off talking about her ego? This is the kind of crap thrown at her in 2008. How dare she run for president? She's just too ambitious. I don't hear any guy being called on their ambition or ego.

If you think that having a beer with her aides after a very long day is a publicity stunt, then you definitely don't know her. Hillary does these kinds of things regularly. Frankly, this is the kind of talk I would expect at some RW site.

Amazing, just amazing........

[Rosa Luxemburg]

50. It's refreshing to see!

Hillary deserves some fun as she works incredibly hard!

[Beacool]

56. Exactly!!!

Anyone who works as hard as she does deserves some time to have a little fun. This story has gone viral. It's even on the cover of the NY Post. I don't get it. Why is this even news?

http://www.nypost.com/archives/covers/;jsessionid=746CBB8CBF013E0F0F8EA5F870F9F12F

[emilyg]

54. I want to see her as Prez.

[totodeinhere]

73. +1

Clinton 2016.

[antigop]

58. Thanks, JD. +100000 n/t

[emilyg]

53. You're no fun.

[tru]

66. making a joke about someone tortured to death

That's not fun either.

[JDPriestly]

78. What are you referring to?

[Tarheel_Dem]

5. I hope she's having a ball, and from the grin on her face, it certainly seems so!

[alcibiades_mystery]

6. Ms. Clinton is awesome...unlike Dubya, who can't have a single sip of beer

without reverting into his bad-old-days persona. This is the guy we want to have a beer with? Dude can't even drink a beer. I'd rather have a beer with Hillary Clinton, quite frankly. She's smarter, and, as the kids say, funner.

[Triana]

7. Good for her!

She's entitled to a little bit of R & R

[nmbluesky]

8. When repuke see Hillary

They would be outrage...

[Odin2005]

9. Expect the Pukes to raise hell over this.

You go, Hillary!

[DCKit]

10. Think they'll go so far as to equate her night out with the SS hiring hookers?

Guess we'll find out shortly.

[bigtree]

12. linking Hillary to the SS men's hookers?

that ought to go well

[pinboy3niner]

15. They may raise hell over the demons in her party

It couldn't be that somebody forgot to use the redeye thingie on the camera. They're DEMONS!1!!

[smirkymonkey]

36. The Good Old New York Post Showed Her On the Front Page this Morning

with the headline "Swillery". I guess she's not allowed to have a beer every now and then.

[totodeinhere]

74. Along with a couple of naysayers in this thread. n/t

[hughee99]

90. I'd expect no less...

if this were during the * administration, and they found Powell or Rice doing this, I'd expect to see people raising hell here over it. Personally, I don't have a problem with it.

[Swede]

13. Sarah Palin tries diplomacy.

[Grassy Knoll]

14. Bachmann tries di-blowmacy.

[Kaleva]

57. LOL

[haele]

16. So now we find out where Janet Reno's dance party comes from....

Glad she had some off-the-clock fun. Even if she did learn to have fun during the disco era...

Haele

[bigtree]

17. she is part of that era

one arm in the air=disco, ala Travolta

[CTyankee]

20. god, I loved disco! That dance sequence in Saturday Night Fever was fabulous!

My grown kids roll their eyes when I start singing "stayin' alive" to them...

[Bluzmann57]

47. I'm with your gtown kids

And I'm likely as old as or older than you. Disco sucked and always will.
But it's sorta cool seeing the SoS cutting loose a bit. Hell, she works harder than any rwer so why not party a bit?

[CTyankee]

48. I like disco because it is wacky. In visual art, it could be compared to Dada.

It is what it is. A music form that has lost its mind. I kinda like that...

[bigtree]

19. kick

[LeftinOH]

21. Great. A new RW internet meme: "Hillary partying in Havana!!"

The top picture is all they'll need; no explanation necessary. Wait for it.

[bigtree]

22. as if they needed a real event to create one

Let's see . . . do American women dance? Drink beer? laugh with friends?

I'm not sure what their argument would be, but they'd be arguing against the majority of women in America in doing so, I think. I say bring it on and we'll add that to their wasted and backfiring arsenal in their War on Women.

[Tax Man]

24. tax man say, she who drinks beer from the bottle -

will run for the white house in 2016

[DesertRat]

28. From tax man's lips to Sec. Clinton's ears

[Beacool]

35. I second that.

[Tax Man]

63. clinton-booker

gop won't stand a chance

[aaaaaa5a]

29. Allow me to be the bad guy.

I have a problem with some of this. I am all for her having a good time and singing and dancing. But the photo's of her drinking alcohol at the bar in a very 'fraternity like" college like atmosphere should be beneath her. I don't have to go over the tragic numbers associated with drinking, especially among young people. In my view, such displays from someone as important as Clinton should not be celebrated.


I view Hillary Clinton as the top role model for girls (and everyone) in the country if not the world. I don't think that someone that important should be "beefing up their rep" by chugging drinks at some bar.


BTW... I didn't like this first time Hillary did something similar during the Democratic primary. Drinking is not cool.

[karmkay]

31. Drinking is legal

and with friends after work with music playing it is also fun--in moderation.

[Beacool]

33. Haven't you ever gone out for drinks after work with your coworkers?

That's precisely what she was doing, taking a few of her aides to a popular club in Cartagena. I don't see anything wrong with this. Now, if she had gotten drunk or was dancing glued to some Latin hunk at the club, then I would understand your objection. As it is, she barely stayed half an hour and had one beer.

[RiffRandell]

40. Not only the bad guy

but a buzzkill. Jesus, Obama was drinking a beer at a pub on St. Paddy's Day. The horror!

[noiretextatique]

43. way to be a killjoy!

i think this just shows that hillary is human, and frankly, it makes people like romney seem even more inhuman. can you imagine him dancing and smiling? i can't. as for the children i think they will survive.

[CTyankee]

49. Oh, please. She's not drunk. She's having a party. I don't happen to like bars but I am

crowd averse.

Are you going to tell me that my glass of red wine at dinner is "not cool"?

You got a fight on your hands, mister...

[nolabear]

60. You have NO IDEA what actually went on there so spare me.

You don't know how much she drank, you don't know what the atmosphere was actually like and her "display" consists of dancing with some friends and laughing and taking photos. Most presidents and in fact I'd venture that the majority of politicians have had their photos taken with a beer or a glass of wine. You see it all the time at dinners and on daises. You cleverly try to manipulate opinion with loaded terms like "chugging" and "fraternity" (like a guy, eh?) but your objection is unfair to her.

And for the record, I think she rocks and I PRAY she runs in 2016.

[FSogol]

70. Drinking is very cool.

Kids should be taught to drink properly and responsibility. That will help cut down on teenage drunk driving and binge drinking. Kids who go to college without ever touching a drop quickly are overwhelmed.

[Romulox]

76. Imagine Colin Powel or Warren Christopher in facebook style shots like that. Inappropriate. nt

[aaaaaa5a]

88. Agreed! Thank you. nt

[bigtree]

89. imagine

Colin Powell doing 'Village People' imitation

[Romulox]

91. Um, you edited that photo, but didn't change the file name...

That picture of Christopher is of an official function in Hanoi--not some sleezy nightclub.

http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/42-22830127/secretary-of-state-warren-christopher-visits-hanoi

[bigtree]

92. so, now the nightclub was 'sleazy'

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I think all that you're implying about Mrs. Clinton's outing is sleazy. Fortunately, very, very few here are buying it. Most of us have family members who have taken some time to relax at a bar with a beer after hours (possibly dancing a bit with their women friends), so it's not such a shock to see the Secretary letting loose. Before you repeat that nonsense about her position, I think you'd better consider that you'll be insulting the family members above I mentioned above who I love and respect greatly by attempting to differentiate between them and their responsibility to maintain an 'image'. In no way is their reputation compromised one bit by drinking a beer at a bar and dancing. I daresay, there are very few women who I'd even venture to judge under those terms. At any rate, you are really insulting many, many women (and the folks who love them) with your ridiculous insinuations. You haven't got a thing on Mrs. Clinton. You're revealing more of a negative impression of your own character in these posts of yours than you could ever manage to label Hillary Clinton with. I think you're just *being despicable.

What she was engaging in was good clean fun. If she was my wife (or any kin to me) and you insulted her character like you have because she drank a beer and danced with her women associates after a workday, we'd have more than just words between us.

[Romulox]

93. Once you engage in blatant dishonesty, you've lost the debate.

You can't just push forward from your weird misrepresentation. What does that say about *you*?

[aaaaaa5a]

94. Game. Set. Match.

[Romulox]

98. Did you see the part where bigtree is going to beat me up for disagreeing with him?

[Romulox]

97. LOL. Missed the internet tough guy act the first time!

If she was my wife (or any kin to me) and you insulted her character like you have because she drank a beer and danced with her women associates after a workday, we'd have more than just words between us.

Good thing that your wife or daughter isn't Secretary of State, then--Hillary Clinton is a public servant, and the public has a right to comment on the way she conducts her job.

I'll let your internet threats speak for themselves.

[Romulox]

99. Uh, bigtree? Is it still "on"?

[aaaaaa5a]

95. Well lets see...

The first picture is during an official business function.

The second picture doesn't involve alcohol or some night club/fraternity bar.

No, the two are not compatible.

[bigtree]

96. none of that makes what Clinton did the least bit wrong

. . .and here you are, so very proud of your misogyny. And you've got it in your mind that there's been some sort of point scoring or advantage to exposing yourself as such. It's really your fucking loss. Me, Clinton. Obama, and all of their supporters couldn't care less what you think about what Mrs. Clinton did weeks ago. You couldn't look more foolish giving high-fives over this old, meaningless controversy the right-wing tried to gin up. And you're supposed to be coming at this from the left? Really? Really . . . ?

[Beacool]

32. Good for her!!!

She works so hard and deserves some downtime to decompress.

[LoTechGuru]

34. I think that is pretty cool

She knows the cameras are on her, but she is stepping out and having some fun. Good for her!

[cynatnite]

38. Go Hillary! n/t

[RiffRandell]

39. Good for her.

She deserves it.

[DonCoquixote]

42. Nice to see her relax,though

I would suggest that if she and her boss let up on Cuba, they coudl enjoy a real Havana night, as would we.

[Daniel537]

44. Now if they just got rid of the stupid embargo everyone could visit THE Havana. n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

51. Cute photos.

[opiate69]

52. Good for her...

I can't even begin to imagine just how stressful and all-consuming any of those high-level Washington jobs are.... and we all do need to take time for ourselves to unwind... looks like a fun bar!

[madrchsod]

55. get your freak on girl!

looks like she`s having a blast....

[Skip Intro]

59. I like that woman! nt

[akbacchus_BC]

61. Good for her, she is doing a great job as SOS and it

shows she is normal and having a good time albeit with her friends after a hard day's work.

Go Hillary, you make us proud of you!

[opihimoimoi]

62. a bit of good news dept...love it.. :o)

[JonLP24]

64. No one gives a shit

Not even the people trying to make an issue out of this.

[bigtree]

65. I enjoyed seeing the pics

. . . such a surprising and refreshing contrast with her public work persona.

I happen to like the Clintons and I 'give a shit' about their well-being.

[JonLP24]

68. I should be more clear

by "no one gives a shit" I mean, no one has a problem with it even those that are expressing a problem with it(for political purposes). I did see the comment up-thread about what it says to the kids and I see that as a legitimate expression so I'm just saying it based on political purposes.

[bigtree]

71. ha!

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You're right, Jon . . . no one gives a shit if Hillary has a beer and dances with friends!

As for the kids, well, they'll survive this. We all catch our elders in some funny and undisciplined moments. They should understand that, occasionally, some adults go dancing with friends at a nightclub, and, occasionally, drink a beer.

[GoCubsGo]

67. Yet you gave enough of a shit to comment here.

And, this after 63 comments on something "no one gives a shit" about.

[JonLP24]

69. See #68

and to add my comment is basically along the lines, "Good for her" that make up the vast majority of the comments IOW as I was saying, almost everyone doesn't have a problem with Hillary doing what she was photographed doing.

[totodeinhere]

72. If anyone deserves a chance to let her hair down and have a beer

and laugh and dance, it is Sec. Clinton. She is without a doubt one our hardest working Secretaries of Sate ever. And she will make a great president in 2016 if she decides to run, and I hope she will.

[Romulox]

75. Inappropriate for a person of her gravitas. This, plus the Secret Service thing...bad optics. nt

[sufrommich]

77. And yet somehow Henry Kissenger partied all

over the place without losing an ounce of his "gravitas".Sorry, Hillary rocks.

[Romulox]

79. Lady Gaga "rocks", too. She's not the Secretary of State during ongoing war(s). nt

[sufrommich]

81. I see you disregarded my Kissinger reference

and choose to concentrate on my choice of the word "rocks" instead.

[Romulox]

82. The reference predates me. I didn't want to highlight the fact.

Moreover, Henry Kissinger is one of the most reviled and polarizing men ever to have served in Washington--a very low bar indeed.

It would be similar to defending a liar by saying, "He's at least as honest as Colin Powell!"

[sufrommich]

83. Kissinger isn't reviled for hanging out

at parties. Unless you know something I don't. Are you aware that Nixon went on the comedy show Laugh In and said "sock it to me" while he was president? I'll bet none of that Watergate stuff would have mattered if he wouldn't have done that.

[Romulox]

84. Now Nixon? Oy vey! nt

[sufrommich]

85. Did Nixon lose his "gravitas" when he

did that? Or is that just reserved for the ladies?

[bigtree]

86. drinking a beer at a bar out of a bottle? dancing with her associates? laughing?

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what she's done that's so offensive to you. I can only imagine the worst kind of male chauvinism one has to embrace to make those conclusions . . .

[obamanut2012]

100. Then President Obama shouldn't play basketball

Being sweating and playing hoops? No gravitas! Or run around in swim trunks, drink a beer, slow jam on Jimmy Fallon, or do anything else that normal people might enjoy. WHERE IS THE GRAVITAS????????

And, how is SOS Clinton having a drink or two with aides the same as Secret Service agents hiring (and not paying) call girls while they were on duty protecting POTUS and others?



I admire and support both President Obama and SOS Clinton.

[B Calm]

80. My only question is what kind of beer they drinking?

[bigtree]

87. Presidente

. . . of course.