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Fri Oct 17, 2014, 03:20 AM

Homophobia is not always "in your face".

I posted this article in the LGBT group:

Is It a Big Deal That the Actor Playing the Flash Isn't Straight?

Actor Ezra Miller has been cast as the Flash in Warner Brothers’ eponymous movie, which is slated to premiere in 2018. That's big news even for those who aren't diehard DC Comics fans, because Ezra Miller is also openly queer, making it the first time a non-heterosexual has played the lead in a superhero movie.

Let's get one distinction out of the way: The 22-year-old Miller identifies as queer, not gay. Though the word can mean different things to different people, it’s often used as an umbrella term to mean “somewhere on the spectrum of sexuality that's not 100 percent straight.” In a 2012 interview, Miller told The Advocate “I’m queer... I have a lot of really wonderful friends who are of very different sexes and genders. I am very much in love with no one in particular."

It may seem ridiculous that we’re talking about this in 2014, when it feels like there is no shortage of openly non-heterosexual actors in Hollywood. But the casting choice of a queer man as the lead in a big-budget superhero, the embodiment of traditional American masculinity, is inarguably a huge deal. Queer actors are still up against the surprisingly pervasive idea that a non-straight actor can’t play a straight character. This has historically been true not just of superhero roles, but of all types of straight roles in mainstream American films.

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You may remember when Bret Easton Ellis tweeted that openly gay actor Matt Bomer wasn’t fit for the role of Christian Grey in the movie version of Fifty Shades of Grey. Ellis opined that “Fifty Shades of Grey demands an actor that is genuinely into women." That's a stubbornly persistent attitude: We love and applaud straight male actors for portraying gay characters, but we apparently don’t trust queer actors to be able to do the reverse.

more: http://www.vice.com/read/its-a-big-deal-that-the-actor-playing-the-flash-is-not-straight-117


The paragraph after the snip is not as uncommon as one might think. Not too long ago, Andrew Garfield, who plays Spiderman in the recent movies, stated something to the effect he wouldn't be opposed to Spiderman being gay. People lost their shit! Before that, it was about making "Sherlock Holmes" gay. Collective shit again lost, and as yet, unrecovered. The idea a fictional character might be written as gay totally pissed people off in a way that is nothing short of an example of homophobia. Many characters in superhero genres have be re-written in a way that changes the characters racial identity, physical abilities, even gender, but sexual orientation? That, for some is just a step too far.

Why is it so hard for some to understand gay people are here to stay and we are part of the fabric of life?

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Reply Homophobia is not always "in your face". (Original post)
Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 OP
Heidi Oct 2014 #1
JI7 Oct 2014 #2
beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #3
Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #4
beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #5
JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #6
LuvNewcastle Oct 2014 #7
JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #9
Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #15
JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #16
Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #18
Android3.14 Oct 2014 #8
Oktober Oct 2014 #10
RadicalGeek Oct 2014 #11
chervilant Oct 2014 #12
Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #13
Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #14
AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #17
Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #19

Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 03:25 AM

1. Kick, kick, kick!!!



P.S.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 03:34 AM

2. don't most people think holmes is gay ?

for those who watched "all my children" around the 90s/early 2000s there was a story involving characters of "noah and julia" . they were very popular and it was one of my favorite stories and soap couples.

i found out some years later that the actor who played noah was gay. yet nobody would have thought so just watching their scenes . and most likely there have been many others .

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 03:41 AM

3. No, it isn't.

I have a feeling many of those same people would spontaneously combust if they ever found out how many of the people they admired in the past were gay.

Wish I could rec this more than once.



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 03:58 AM

4. Truth time, and a thank you.

Your post the other day about your man and the bathroom situation at his work reignited something I have been batting around in my head for awhile. Then I stumbled across this article, and it seemed a good opportunity to say something. Granted, it isn't a huge stumbling block, but it does demonstrate a lack of inequality among those of us who are LGBT.

I am so glad you are posting more.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 04:35 AM

5. mr bmus' coworker is one brave dude.

Not only is he openly and proudly gay he's also a black man who's not afraid to call out the racists; where we live that's no small thang.

"I am so glad you are posting more."

Not everyone is, lol!

Right backatcha, we need more of you.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 04:57 AM

6. Kick

For all of it!

ETA - Ellis ought to be ashamed of himself. The man who wrote Less Than Zero should be ashamed of himself.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 05:33 AM

7. I thought that Ellis was gay or bisexual himself.

That was such an ignorant comment for him to make. I mean, should gay writers be able to write about straight characters? I wonder what his answer to that question would be.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 07:12 AM

9. Very good question

That perhaps he needs to be made to answer! See, I don't care if he is gay or not. What I do care about is regardless of what one's orientation is - that everyone gets a fair shot. He's not advocating a fair shot here.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 04:55 PM

15. Isn't it strange....

people can play killer clowns and no one requires them to dress in face paint and slaughter people, but in order to play a straight man one needs to actually be sleeping with women?!

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 05:14 PM

16. Bwahahaha!



Probably not the best place to explain how my former Italian Marine husband who jumped out of helicopters at 350 feet - was terrified when I rewatched the first episode with him? Who knew - clown phobia!

But yeah - that's strange. Then again - I'm wondering how DiCaprio got cast as Jordan Belfort - when Belfort is like five feet four and wears size two shoes!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 18, 2014, 04:03 AM

18. Now he will have two clowns to worry about!

The last episode was twisted! Did you see when the mask slipped?! I actually jumped a little.

I remember, early on, when actors played in gay roles and talked about how they "researched" it. I could give them some good research!

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 06:38 AM

8. I could care more, I suppose, that a LGBT person plays a comic book hero

 

It just doesn't seem that extraordinary.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 07:16 AM

10. Most folks won't react negatively as long as Flash is played straight...

 

Worked for the guy playing Spock in the new Star Trek...

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 07:48 AM

11. Perhaps I'm Taking The Attitude I Have Towards LGBT Athletes Into The Cinema

Let me beging by saying I have never HEARD of Ezra Miller, I don't get out to the movies that much.

BUT That being said, if He/She can play the part, just as of (s)he can play the game, I've got no problem.

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Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:16 AM

12. Matt Bomer is an excellent actor.

I am glad he's not associated with that sophomoric, sexist claptrap that some entrepreneur thought would make a good movie. Ick!

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Response to chervilant (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:58 AM

13. Agreed...

 

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Response to chervilant (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 02:47 PM

14. What is so strange, is Bomer has been playing a str8 ladies man for years.

He is the lead on "White Collar" and is convincing as a ladies man.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 05:20 PM

17. Some people are just a little too sensitive for their own good, TBH.

 

Now, granted, not all of it is based on prejudice, mind you; some people are just hardcore fanboys who just don't like their character being messed with, but who don't actually have a problem with LGBTs, PoC, etc. in their lives at all. OTOH, it can't be denied that there's also quite a few RW trolls who really are a bunch of assholes.....

I for one, couldn't fuckin' care less, and I hope Ezra Miller does well in his upcoming movie.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Sat Oct 18, 2014, 05:16 AM

19. Well, I'm not sure that it really matters to anyone what anyone like that thinks anymore.

I mean, it's just one of those things that some people find a reason to complain about, but it doesn't really mean much anymore.
Misguided souls like that have lost a lot of their power and their influence over other people these last few years.
They've become pathetic.

Like when Rock Hudson died, and then some people I knew told me that they would never watch any of his movies ever again.
And the first thing I thought was "why?"
Why would they change their opinion of Rock Hudson's acting ability simply because they had found out that he was gay.
If they liked him as an actor before they had heard that news, then why re-evaluate your opinion of an actor after the news came out.

It was just like that when I heard that Raymond Burr was gay -- after he had died -- it didn't change my opinion of him one damned bit, either.
I simply can't understand why some people let the fact that other people are gay bother them at all.

To me, it doesn't make any damned sense.
I'm a straight man, and I just can't fathom the amount of hate some people have for gay people.
It just boggles my mind to even think about just how much time, how much energy, and how much effort those people that don't like gay people have wasted in their lives hating gay people.
Talk about a wasted life!

I remember that one poignant scene from "Papillion", the movie that starred Steve McQueen and Dustin Hoffman.
The scene where McQueen's character is having a dream of some sort about what happens to him after he dies, and he finds himself being judged by a panel of judges about how he spent his life.
And every single time one of the members on that panel of judges states the charge against him for wasting his life, McQueen's character says, "guilty", with no emotion whatsoever.
Like he is in shock that the sudden realization that he is absolutely, unequivocally guilty of wasting his entire life is undeniable, even to him; even if he wanted to deny it, he couldn't!!

Sometimes I wonder if any of the people that hate gays have ever seen that movie.
Because they might be more introspective of their own behavior, if they did see that movie.
Unfortunately, it has been my experience that most people that are not intelligent are not very introspective.

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