If there is a god, god bless nurses who come back to America to live in tents.

[whereisjustice]

Nurses are taking one for the team after CDC's Frieden fucked them over. Once, twice, three times.

Meanwhile, Frieden, who should have been IMMEDIATELY dismissed after his fuck up is still gainfully employed.

The media spewed his bullshit for days and days. The damage is done. And as a result of Frieden's historic ass covering, nurses are being viewed as threats and kept in tents.

Yet, even after Obama refused to hold his CDC Director accountable, they'll probably still go out and vote for Democrats. That's how bleak the political options are for working men and women in America.

At least the Democratic National Committee will repay them with a fight for better wages and working conditions and better health care benefits and a better health care system, one that puts health outcomes above profit margins.

And at least Hillary is there for them. Fighting for the little guy! Brave enough to stand up for women's rights even when it's associated with something unpleasant like Ferguson, or Ebola.

Right?

Oh, wait, it's an election season. And this is a bit unpleasant and she's busy.

More behavior to be considerably less than proud of from our Party's GOTV leadership

[bmac19gg]

1. agree

Yet, even after Obama refused to hold his CDC Director accountable, they'll probably still go out and vote for Democrats. That's how bleak the political options are for working men and women in America.

NSA, VA, CDC, I don't think its the options that are bleak for people but rather the peoples resolve to make accountability actually means something. And you called it spot on with regards to Hillary. Market Lamont Hill put it well when he Tweeted in response to Hillary's very late hour comments about Ferguson:

"Hillary Clinton's statement reflects careful triangulation and calculation driven by political interest rather than genuine feeling."

[Fred Sanders]

2. The American media fucked them over, the Republicans are fucking them over....the CDC is your

target...go for it.

[whereisjustice]

3. Frieden is my target, the buck stops there, head of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

We have CDC, National Institute of Health, Health and Human Services and an acting Surgeon General.

Obama should have (and still should) fire Frieden. Instead he waffled and appointed yet another goddamn administrator to clean up Frieden's mess. Seriously we all see how fucked up this is. It's so transparently fucked up it should be on pay for view.

That's a protection that no over worked, under paid nurse in the US for profit health care would get, and I bet no overworked, underpaid nurse at CDC would get, either.

[Fred Sanders]

17. Your grasp of reality is.....not reality...since you are a nurse you have a right to complain.

What is your opinion of Christie imprisoning a nurse in a tent for political gain and against the science?

[Crunchy Frog]

4. I agree that Frieden should be fired.

And if they're going to quarantine medical personnel coming back from Africa, they at least need to provide them with decent accommodations.

This tent business is total bullshit.

[whereisjustice]

6. Unfortunately, too many Democrats think having nurses kept in tents is politcally necessary even if

there is no medical value.

[adigal]

5. I 100% agree with the quarantine

C'mon, that dopey doctor took the subway and went bowling, for chrissakes! Obviously, health. care workers aren't quarantining themselves. Im sure many of us here know that doctors and nurses are always the absolute worst patients, so the quarantine has to be mandatory if they are returning from a hot spot.

Having said that, they need to be in a super nice place to thank them for being good human beings.

[whereisjustice]

8. Why don't you send the nurse a note explaining why this is politically necessary.

Because you know, you can't trust nurses. Unlike high ranking government officials.

To really make your point, include a note asking her for money to help fund Democratic National Committee.

[adigal]

9. It's not politically necessary - it's medically necessary

We don't know the precautions they are taking over there, we don't know if there were breaks in the procedures. I have two kids living in NYC where a dopey doctor feeling "sluggish" took every possible mode of transportation and went bowling. Huh? And YOU trust medical workers??? The nurse went on a plane with a fever. You trust them???

I don't. Not one bit. So if you were in an Ebola area, quarantine. I'm glad NY and NJ created this requirement.

And I have no clue what you are talking about without DNC remark.

[morningfog]

14. It is not medically necessary.

That is the problem.

[seabeyond]

25. self monitoring is 100% successful. where in 100% successful is your necessity?

[seabeyond]

27. you are for quarantining all medical staff and supporting role, in the u.s. that care for ebola

patients?

is this after a shift and we bring in a new team?

or do we lock a team up until the ebola patient dies or no longer has the virus and then make them do a 21 day quarantine?

or is there a difference between our ebola and their ebola in africa?

[uppityperson]

10. They are self monitoring, not quarantining and it has worked. Each of them contacted help when

they started to show symptoms. None of them ran around in public once they had symptoms and were contagious.

"many of us here know that doctors and nurses are always the absolute worst patients"? In some instances some of them are but to claim this is universal is ridiculous.

These 3 (Pham, Vinson, Spencer) and others who have returned around the USA (yes, there are more, I have found some) have and are self monitoring, taking their temps and watching for symptoms in themselves (like they did in others). Those who have had symptoms sought help.

Yes, they were in public before they were contagious. Yes, he went bowling BEFORE he was capable of passing on the disease. He called the authorities when his temp was just starting to creep up, before he had any of those vomitting diarrheal episodes that can expose others.

Here is the difference between self monitoring and self quarantining.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025718395

[LeftyMom]

16. You either don't understand how this disease spreads or don't care.

It's very hard to get. You're not going to get it by sitting in somebody's subway seat or using bowling shoes after them. The guy in Texas didn't spread it to his housemates who were closed in an apartment with his vomit.

Your viral load gets higher as you get sicker. Near death and after is when people are the most infectious, and even then you need direct contact with their blood, shit or vomit. People who are walking around feeling healthy aren't getting blood, shit or vomit on anybody and the viral load is so low that it probably wouldn't matter if they did.

Ebola spreads so well in West Africa because people care for the very sick at home, and they conduct their own funerals and they include physical contact with the dead in their funerary rites. Since none of those things are true in the US transmission is nearly infinitely less likely.

Now calm the fuck down and stop disrespecting "that dopey doctor" and other professionals who know more about this than you and care more about stopping this disease than you do.

[adigal]

18. For a Lefty Mom,you are very rude

I know that they are not sure how it spreads. So you can spout your nonsense, you bully, and tell me to calm the f down, but I'm smart enough to know that we aren't being told everything.

So I will continue my skeptical ways, thank you. And the doctor wasn't just dopey, but really, criminally irresponsible.

Have a lovely day, Miss Manners!

[LeftyMom]

21. Having made a human being doesn't mean I have to tolerate stupidity and nonsense.

Quite frankly, that's sexist bullshit.

You're saying things that are dangerously false and no, I'm not going to be sweet and nice in telling you so because what you're doing is dangerous. It's also gravely disrespectful to the people who are doing the most to stop this disease where it's actually an emergency- IN WEST AFRICA- people like the doctor who risked his own life to save others and who you're calling a dope and a criminal.

[adigal]

22. Guess what? I don't care what you think. You are rude. And wrong. Nt

[seabeyond]

24. omg... lol. ya. uh hu. nt

[etherealtruth]

26. Please explain to me how the doctor may have transmitted the disease to anyone

Explain the mechanism to me, please.

[Fumesucker]

7. Amen

Democrats can ignore tens of thousands of gun deaths per year and freak out over one Ebola death.

You see who they cater to, it's not the left it's the authoritarian right.

[whereisjustice]

12. And nothing is more ironic than the Senate Democrats who blocked Surgeon General because his

views on gun control angered the NRA.

[RufusTFirefly]

11. As I've stated in other threads: nurses, librarians, and public school teachers are my heroes

This is another case in point.

Bless them all!

[markpkessinger]

13. And God damn a public that stands by and allows it to happen! n/t

[cwydro]

15. Kick.

Amazing the difference between docs and nurses in this mess.

I cannot stand Frieden.

I gave up on Obama long before this latest debacle.

[snooper2]

19. well, there isn't a god (he/she/it is a mythical creatuere), so now what?

[whereisjustice]

20. No problem, thank what ever cosmic force links and motivates good people to give something

of themselves to help those without the means to defend themselves.

Thank them for the simple fact that there are far more people at the wealthy core of BOTH political parties who are fighting a viscous class war against a largely defenseless population. Politicians are using every means to protect their own power and profit and don't give a shit about whatever chaos results as long as their ass stays covered.

So who's the hero - this nurse with a rare gift of giving? Or the douchebag at CDC who spent a week telling everyone that nurses at the mercy of our "free market" medical system are too incompetent to follow protocols?

Now we have to deal with the hysteria this foolishness has caused.

[seabeyond]

23. wow. you twisted this all the way to obama and attack on dems. incredibly. nt

[whereisjustice]

28. Twisting, spinning or triangulating? You've confused me with the DNC.