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Boehner: Bush would have punched Putin (Original Post) liberal N proud Oct 2014 OP
Poo. Bush? Skidmore Oct 2014 #1
Shrub would have punched Pooty-Poot? hobbit709 Oct 2014 #2
we don't have to wonder what Bush would have done Enrique Oct 2014 #3
That would haver been fun to watch. Turbineguy Oct 2014 #4
We might have solved bvf Oct 2014 #6
LOL! Cha Oct 2014 #7
ROTFLMAO. I won't be able to get that image out of my head for some time! - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #22
PUH-leeze! Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #5
Boner likes to Lie Big Time. Cha Oct 2014 #8
Seeing how he reacted to 9-11, he probably would had punched the Queen of England. B Calm Oct 2014 #9
Drinking again, is he? nt bemildred Oct 2014 #10
nah, not wwIII, more like the second great depression. nt Javaman Oct 2014 #11
What a guy! rock Oct 2014 #12
Seems the Republicans are suddenly boosting up the image of W... Frustratedlady Oct 2014 #13
Joffrey W. Bush ADORED Putin. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #14
Indeed. "Vladimir Putin has a lot in common with those very American hawks who hate him the most." pampango Oct 2014 #17
Therefore, Bush wouldn't have. Orsino Oct 2014 #15
Hey, Louie Gohmert - you have a new challenger for dumbest asshole bullwinkle428 Oct 2014 #16
johnny boy, you're such a macho man spanone Oct 2014 #18
George, old "Let's you and him fight"? MurrayDelph Oct 2014 #19
Before or after he gazed tenderly into Pooty-Poot's very soul? 11 Bravo Oct 2014 #20
Well Bush groped German Chancellor Merkel, so Boner may have a point! - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #21
LOL, good one, Boner! City Lights Oct 2014 #23

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
1. Poo. Bush?
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 06:44 AM
Oct 2014

Bush, who looked into Putin's eyes...and blinked. Bush didn't see any soul. He understood that Putin was the alpha male in that room and that he wasn't going to challenge him on anything. He was scared.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
3. we don't have to wonder what Bush would have done
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 06:48 AM
Oct 2014

we can just look at how he responded to the crisis in Georgia. Bush did not punch Pooty-poot in the nose.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
13. Seems the Republicans are suddenly boosting up the image of W...
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 09:22 AM
Oct 2014

Starting early to clean up the Bush image for Jeb for 2016?

It's going to take more than two years to accomplish that.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
14. Joffrey W. Bush ADORED Putin.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 09:24 AM
Oct 2014

"I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul. He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country..." -Bush, 2001

Herr Vladolf wasn't exactly a man after his own heart, since Putin is actually a competent dictator rather than a mentally retarded child-emperor, but he probably reminded him of his dear chamberlain Cheney.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
17. Indeed. "Vladimir Putin has a lot in common with those very American hawks who hate him the most."
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 09:39 AM
Oct 2014
Putin wants to restore international respect (fear of?) Russia. He has been very effective at pursuing Russian national interests, even expanding its national boundaries which is something American hawks can only dream of.

How Russia's president resembles the American hawks who hate him most.

Ever since Vladimir Putin invaded Crimea, American pundits have strained to understand his view of the world. Putin’s been called a Nazi; a tsar; a man detached from reality. But there’s another, more familiar framework that explains his behavior. In his approach to foreign policy, Vladimir Putin has a lot in common with those very American hawks (or “neocons” in popular parlance) who revile him most.

1. Putin is obsessed with the threat of appeasement

To Kristol, McCain, and their ilk, the United States is a nation perennially bullied by adversaries who are tougher, nastier, and more resolute than we are. ... In his (Putin's) view, it’s Russia that has been perennially bullied by tougher and nastier countries—in particular, America and its NATO allies. “They have lied to us many times, made decisions behind our backs, placed us before an accomplished fact,” he explained in a speech announcing Russia’s incorporation of Crimea. “They are constantly trying to sweep us into a corner.” But now, finally, the era of appeasement is over. “Russia found itself in a position it could not retreat from,” Putin said. “If you compress the spring all the way to its limit, it will snap back hard.”

2. Putin is principled—so long as those principles enhance national power

For Putin, an anti-Russian government in Kiev is illegitimate regardless of how it takes power. For many American hawks, the same is now true for a pro-Chávez government in Latin America or an Islamist government in the Middle East. ... In the United States, both hawks and doves like to claim that they’re promoting cherished principles like democracy and freedom. The difference is that doves are more willing to acknowledge that these principles can undermine American interests. For most hawks, by contrast, the fight for democratic ideals must serve American power.

3. Putin doesn’t understand economic power

This indifference to the economic aspects of statecraft was a defining feature of the Bush administration, where treasury secretaries played a marginal foreign-policy role ... Seeing “economics” as separate from “foreign policy issues” is precisely what Clinton decried in the 1990s, and it’s the weakness in Putin’s strategy today. But it’s a weakness that many American hawks share. For decades now, Kristol and McCain have insisted that America relentlessly expand its global military footprint and relentlessly boost its defense budget. I’ve never seen either make a serious effort to explain how this should be paid for.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/03/vladimir-putin-russian-neocon/284602/

Like American hawks Putin sees a strong and assertive military as a symbol of national power. "For Putin, too, overcoming appeasement requires overcoming the soft, unmanly culture that made Russia unwilling to fight. The fall of the Soviet Union, he argued last year, “was a devastating blow to our nation’s cultural and spiritual codes” that led to “primitive borrowing and attempts to civilize Russia from abroad.”

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
16. Hey, Louie Gohmert - you have a new challenger for dumbest asshole
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 09:32 AM
Oct 2014

in Congress! And he's your fearless leader!

MurrayDelph

(5,293 posts)
19. George, old "Let's you and him fight"?
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 11:23 AM
Oct 2014

The only way George would actually punch someone would be if he knew it to be a much, much weaker opponent,


and even then would have two cronies holding her.

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
23. LOL, good one, Boner!
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 11:57 AM
Oct 2014

Junior on Pootie-Poot:

"I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.
"I was able to get a sense of his soul."

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