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demmiblue

(36,824 posts)
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:39 PM Oct 2014

Gun extremists’ ghastly new low: A fight over “open carry” turns vulgar and scary

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by petronius (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Source: Salon




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Of course, gun extremists did not respond kindly to the Kroger campaign. What follows is a recounting of their disturbing tactics, from the shocking intimidation and harassment of unsuspecting commenters on Kroger’s Facebook page to right-wing media propaganda that disingenuously portrayed Kroger as being allies of the gun extremists.

Secret Facebook groups such as “People Who Were Blocked by Moms Demand Action Demand Action Now” — which has well over a thousand members — disseminated gun rights propaganda and helped orchestrate attacks on individuals commenting on Kroger’s page. Some gun nuts combed the profile pages of people commenting in support of gun reform, harvested personal photos of them and Photoshopped them to include obscene or humiliating comments, before reposting the photos on Kroger’s page, or on other social media sites. Because Kroger frequently bans users who post that kind of content, the gun extremists created disposable fake accounts — sometimes using the name and profile photo of an opponent— to quickly dump posts without being held accountable.

In one case, they found a photo of a woman’s preschool-age child and wrote on it, “My mom sucks more cock than Richard Simmons” and circulated it online. In another case, they grabbed a photo of a mother and her child and wrote “Big retard, little retard” on it before reposting it. One woman posted to Kroger a photograph of a receipt showing money she spent elsewhere, and gun extremists swarmed her post, with hundreds of responses, including comments like “what you could do is shut your god damned whore mouth,” “calm your tits,” and “fuck her right in the pussy,” which Kroger’s Facebook admin allowed to stand over a day later.

Some of the gun extremists’ targets regularly do battle with them online; others never expected such a response when they posted a message to Kroger and are alarmed and intimidated. One woman who was the target of a Photoshopped image told me that she considered shutting down her Facebook account over the reaction to her post on Kroger’s page. The gun extremists’ goal seems to be to mob individuals until they are scared into silence, and in some cases it is working.


Read more: http://www.salon.com/2014/10/27/gun_extremists_ghastly_new_low_a_fight_over_open_carry_turns_vulgar_and_scary/


Hosts: please note that this is not a local story about gun crime. Among other things, the article illustrates the issue of using the internet to harass and intimidate (similar to what we have seen recently surrounding GamerGate).
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Gun extremists’ ghastly new low: A fight over “open carry” turns vulgar and scary (Original Post) demmiblue Oct 2014 OP
I wonder what it must be like to know the ONLY thing you really love is violence. nt valerief Oct 2014 #1
I can suggest a few people to ask. beevul Oct 2014 #4
Nice catch. GGJohn Oct 2014 #18
Nobody else has rights shenmue Oct 2014 #2
what about our right to 'life, liberty, and justice' samsingh Oct 2014 #11
The far right is a greater threat than ISIS. Dawson Leery Oct 2014 #3
Everyone but the media seems to recognize that fact. hifiguy Oct 2014 #7
Maybe it's time we all start a campaign to remind the media? nt kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #14
The media seems a bit unresponsive to me. nt Enthusiast Oct 2014 #22
We could email them Bonx Oct 2014 #24
It's just a little suspicious. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #21
If you see anyone other then the police with guns call 911 Youdontwantthetruth Oct 2014 #5
I think that's actually a pretty good idea! See a gun, call 911! calimary Oct 2014 #9
Fabulous! moonbeam23 Oct 2014 #20
Welcome to DU, moonbeam23! calimary Oct 2014 #42
Oh, it works so-o-o-o well... Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #47
What do you think of John Crawford?... Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #54
I like that! Catherine Vincent Oct 2014 #64
Just like they did sarisataka Oct 2014 #23
That level of childishness tend to piss off the 911 operators. ManiacJoe Oct 2014 #39
The cops will ask you what the guy with the gun is actually doing hack89 Oct 2014 #44
Like the kid with an BB gun, shot by cops in a store? Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #46
But..but..We're in a "post-feminist" era, aren't we? whathehell Oct 2014 #6
With unhinged gun trolls like this, no wonder shootings are the new norm / no longer news worthy chrisa Oct 2014 #8
Correction: Your "new norm" is fewer shootings & murders... Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #50
I certainly can... derby378 Oct 2014 #63
It's against Federal Law to posess Firearms while under a Protection Order. PeoViejo Oct 2014 #10
Well now, who would have imagined? gratuitous Oct 2014 #12
While in California: PeoViejo Oct 2014 #13
Revenge Porn Laws PeoViejo Oct 2014 #15
He stepped up to a urinal. lpbk2713 Oct 2014 #16
They Do What They Claim Others Are Doing To Them erpowers Oct 2014 #17
Open carry is illegal in my violent community. hunter Oct 2014 #19
It's illegal here on Portland, too. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2014 #29
I live in Wilmington Delaware and I know how you feel LynneSin Oct 2014 #33
Open carry is reasonable in some rural places. Adrahil Oct 2014 #56
I hope he changed his underwear... Whiskeytide Oct 2014 #59
OK, it was Ted Nugent! ;) Adrahil Oct 2014 #60
Great response!!! I think... Whiskeytide Oct 2014 #62
it's obvious NoMoreRepugs Oct 2014 #25
The "penis" reference? GGJohn Oct 2014 #26
Reality is usually pretty mundane. MontyPow Oct 2014 #32
When I see reality, I'll agree, GGJohn Oct 2014 #34
Usually, a gun is just a penis. MontyPow Oct 2014 #35
Huh?? GGJohn Oct 2014 #36
Sorry, I was responding to the post complaining about the penis MontyPow Oct 2014 #37
You're wrong. He has two. Iggo Oct 2014 #38
CAREFUL Skittles Oct 2014 #45
CAREFUL: 18,000,000 women gun-owners don't have Penis™. Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #52
Wrong, gun owners just laugh at the people so immature and disturbed Lurks Often Oct 2014 #65
Open carry, in most places, is all kinds of stupid, Lizzie Poppet Oct 2014 #27
Spot on!!!! GGJohn Oct 2014 #31
I agree with this. If you really need to carry, you are Adrahil Oct 2014 #57
pacifiers for the ammosexuals. pansypoo53219 Oct 2014 #28
DUzy! hifiguy Oct 2014 #41
There is absolutely nothing I believe in so strongly that I would stoop to tactics like that LynneSin Oct 2014 #30
It would seem that the guy with the two guns ManiacJoe Oct 2014 #40
Thanks, was going to post this. Very destructive culture there. freshwest Oct 2014 #43
the TWS afflicted sure are insecure about themselves. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #48
Time for me to get rid of my Facebook account. B Calm Oct 2014 #49
It's a good thing Turbineguy Oct 2014 #51
I'm going to call BS on this one also, gun owners ileus Oct 2014 #53
Penis™. A DU-Approved sexist slur... Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #55
Yep, amazing Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #58
That's an unfair counter argument... Whiskeytide Oct 2014 #61
I was in Kroger this week and seen a guy OCin' a compact 1911. ileus Oct 2014 #66
Would you have called the cops on Crawford? nt Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #69
More internet BS... ileus Oct 2014 #67
Locking. After extensive and careful discussion in the Hosts forum, petronius Oct 2014 #68

valerief

(53,235 posts)
1. I wonder what it must be like to know the ONLY thing you really love is violence. nt
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:43 PM
Oct 2014
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
4. I can suggest a few people to ask.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:10 PM
Oct 2014














http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172130667

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5598611

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3690810

You could ask those folks what its like, I suppose.

Why don't you ask them how they feel about the John Crawford shooting, while you're at it.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
18. Nice catch.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:55 PM
Oct 2014

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
2. Nobody else has rights
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:55 PM
Oct 2014

Only the Open Carriers. The public has no right to safety.

samsingh

(17,593 posts)
11. what about our right to 'life, liberty, and justice'
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:39 PM
Oct 2014

most of us don't have eyes with 360 degree coverage - how do we protect against all these armed lunatics.

in the picture, the guy has two guns on him. is this supposed to be a civilized society?

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
3. The far right is a greater threat than ISIS.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:02 PM
Oct 2014
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
7. Everyone but the media seems to recognize that fact.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:45 PM
Oct 2014

I wonder why.....

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
14. Maybe it's time we all start a campaign to remind the media? nt
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:46 PM
Oct 2014

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
22. The media seems a bit unresponsive to me. nt
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:12 PM
Oct 2014

Bonx

(2,053 posts)
24. We could email them
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:20 PM
Oct 2014

or maybe the tweeter.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
21. It's just a little suspicious.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:09 PM
Oct 2014
 
5. If you see anyone other then the police with guns call 911
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:10 PM
Oct 2014

These are armed mentally unstable individuals who are so scared that the have to go out with a gun, nobody know what they will do next.

Call the police, let them deal with the armed mentally unstable individuals.

calimary

(81,139 posts)
9. I think that's actually a pretty good idea! See a gun, call 911!
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:34 PM
Oct 2014
See a gun, call 911!

OMG! I just came up with a bumpersticker slogan! And it rhymes!!!! With the correct cadence and everything!!!

moonbeam23

(308 posts)
20. Fabulous!
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:03 PM
Oct 2014

Get some bumperstickers made up and rake in the cash...

calimary

(81,139 posts)
42. Welcome to DU, moonbeam23!
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 05:48 PM
Oct 2014

Glad you're here! I'm for a very hard smackdown response. Get in their faces about it and dumb it down if we have to.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
47. Oh, it works so-o-o-o well...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 06:29 AM
Oct 2014


Kinda illustrates how the OP's content is little different from the "other side's."

"For more, see Number four!" That's catchy, ain't it?
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
54. What do you think of John Crawford?...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 06:55 AM
Oct 2014

Some get off to vicarious violence on the Innertubes; some got the real thing in Ohio.

Catherine Vincent

(34,486 posts)
64. I like that!
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:53 AM
Oct 2014

sarisataka

(18,501 posts)
23. Just like they did
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:12 PM
Oct 2014

In Beavercreek, OH!

Oh, wait- that didn't turn out so well, did it?

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
39. That level of childishness tend to piss off the 911 operators.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:16 PM
Oct 2014

> If you see anyone other then the police with guns call 911

hack89

(39,171 posts)
44. The cops will ask you what the guy with the gun is actually doing
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:34 PM
Oct 2014

if he is walking around with it in a holster or slung over his shoulder, they will tell you that no law is being broken and have a nice day.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
46. Like the kid with an BB gun, shot by cops in a store?
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 06:17 AM
Oct 2014

whathehell

(29,037 posts)
6. But..but..We're in a "post-feminist" era, aren't we?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:34 PM
Oct 2014

In one case, they found a photo of a woman’s preschool-age child and wrote on it, “My mom sucks more cock than Richard Simmons” and circulated it online".

One woman posted to Kroger a photograph of a receipt showing money she spent elsewhere, and gun extremists swarmed her post, with hundreds of responses, including comments like:

“what you could do is shut your god damned whore mouth,” “calm your tits,” and “fuck her right in the pussy,” which Kroger’s Facebook admin allowed to stand over a day later.

Um, it seems we have a serious misogyny issue in this country.


chrisa

(4,524 posts)
8. With unhinged gun trolls like this, no wonder shootings are the new norm / no longer news worthy
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:47 PM
Oct 2014
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
50. Correction: Your "new norm" is fewer shootings & murders...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 06:42 AM
Oct 2014

as data have indicated, 20 yrs now. Even the anti-gun fear machine that is MSM probably is aware of the facts.

What do you think about phoning in to the cops when a kid handles a BB gun in a store? Some here advocate that. Can you think how that can go wrong?

derby378

(30,252 posts)
63. I certainly can...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:47 AM
Oct 2014

...and a certain gun-control activist has Crawford's blood on his hands as a result.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
10. It's against Federal Law to posess Firearms while under a Protection Order.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:37 PM
Oct 2014

These jerks are just asking for it.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
12. Well now, who would have imagined?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:43 PM
Oct 2014

Just staggers the imagination to think that all these responsible gun owners™ would react like this to a political disagreement.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
13. While in California:
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:45 PM
Oct 2014

"Among other measures, Brown:
• Signed legislation expanding California’s so-called “revenge porn” bill to include “selfies.”

Existing law makes it a misdemeanor to post online private graphic pictures or footage of someone with the intention of humiliating them.

Senate Bill 1255, by Sen. Anthony Cannella, R-Ceres, expands the prohibition to include sexually explicit images that are meant to be private, regardless who created the image.

Brown also signed Assembly Bill 2643, by Assemblyman Bob Wieckowski, D-Fremont, that permits a person whose sexually explicit image is posted online without his or her consent to bring a civil action against the person posting the image.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article2616365.html#storylink=cpy"

lpbk2713

(42,744 posts)
16. He stepped up to a urinal.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:51 PM
Oct 2014



Pulled out a hair by mistake.

Pissed all over himself.



erpowers

(9,350 posts)
17. They Do What They Claim Others Are Doing To Them
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:52 PM
Oct 2014

People on the right are always claiming people on the left are trying to scare them into silence; however, this is an example of them trying to scare others into silence.

hunter

(38,304 posts)
19. Open carry is illegal in my violent community.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:55 PM
Oct 2014

These open carry fools would be shot, beat up by police, or have their guns stolen or confiscated.

My mom is wild west. I've seen her take guns away from people she considers fools.

In the U.S.A. open carry is only safe in places where it's entirely unnecessary.

Carrying a gun openly simply cries out, "I am a fearful weenie!!!"

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
29. It's illegal here on Portland, too.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:31 PM
Oct 2014

All of Multnomah County, in fact. Oregon permits open carry, but there's no state preemption for it; cities and counties can prohibit open carry if they see fit. Given that Oregon is a "must issue" CCW state (and that is preempted), there is no real need to change this situation. People who choose to carry a gun for protection will overwhelmingly choose to carry concealed. Open carriers are doing so to protest, to make a (stupidly counterproductive) political statement.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
33. I live in Wilmington Delaware and I know how you feel
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:39 PM
Oct 2014

I see these people in Suburbia USA all frightened to death that they need to walk around with their guns. Yet I live in a city that has a pretty decent crime rate although in one of the safer neighborhoods. Those gun nuts are fools that wouldn't last 15 minutes in some of the neighborhoods here in Wilmington.

I remember when some gun nut from Houston Texas thought it would be neat to do an open carry march through the Fifth Ward of Houston, which is not one of the safer neighborhoods in Houston. Thankfully someone was smart enough to realize that would be a trainwreck waiting to happen. It's one thing to do it at your surburbia grocery store but to do open carry in a high crime rate neighborhood is just trouble waiting to happen.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
56. Open carry is reasonable in some rural places.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:18 AM
Oct 2014

Last edited Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:19 AM - Edit history (1)

For example, if you live some place with the possibility of cougar or bear encounters, carrying a gun while out and about isn't a terrible idea. I had a friend who lived in the California hills who always carried when out in the sticks. He needed to use the gun twice. In both cases, a warning shot was all that was necessary to deter the cougar.

Whiskeytide

(4,459 posts)
59. I hope he changed his underwear...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:00 AM
Oct 2014

... after his warning shit!!!

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
60. OK, it was Ted Nugent! ;)
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:20 AM
Oct 2014

Thanks for the catch! That sure would scare the hell outta me!

Whiskeytide

(4,459 posts)
62. Great response!!! I think...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:35 AM
Oct 2014

... Ole Ted strolling through the woods would probably cause the cougar or bear to fire off a warning shit!!!

NoMoreRepugs

(9,374 posts)
25. it's obvious
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:21 PM
Oct 2014

the man in the picture with two guns strapped to his hip has NO PENIS

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
26. The "penis" reference?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:25 PM
Oct 2014

How original......

 

MontyPow

(285 posts)
32. Reality is usually pretty mundane.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:36 PM
Oct 2014

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
34. When I see reality, I'll agree,
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:40 PM
Oct 2014

that statement isn't anywhere near reality.

 

MontyPow

(285 posts)
35. Usually, a gun is just a penis.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:43 PM
Oct 2014

I'm sure not in your case, though. So don't worry.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
36. Huh??
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:44 PM
Oct 2014
 

MontyPow

(285 posts)
37. Sorry, I was responding to the post complaining about the penis
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:50 PM
Oct 2014

Reference. But reality is mostly all around us. Except when sleeping

Iggo

(47,537 posts)
38. You're wrong. He has two.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:50 PM
Oct 2014

Skittles

(153,122 posts)
45. CAREFUL
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 04:43 AM
Oct 2014

gun humpers can excuse all kinds of kookiness but they get VERY upset over references to inadequate penises

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
52. CAREFUL: 18,000,000 women gun-owners don't have Penis™.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 06:51 AM
Oct 2014

That's what the data suggests, but your results may vary.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
65. Wrong, gun owners just laugh at the people so immature and disturbed
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:02 AM
Oct 2014

that they have associate sex and the body parts involved in sex to firearm in a feeble and pathetic attempt to insult people they disagree with.

If it were anybody other then a gun owner they would be considered bigots or racists.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
27. Open carry, in most places, is all kinds of stupid,
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:26 PM
Oct 2014

With the exception of extremely rural places where it's commonplace, open carry is a really dumb idea. It's a dumb idea for protection: advertising that you have a gun is probably less of a deterrent than it is an invitation ("I have something valuable and useful to a criminal&quot and a warning ("Better take that guy out first...he's got a gun&quot . Why give up the element of surprise and make yourself a high-priority target?

Open carry as a form of protest is even dumber. It's very similar to Critical Mass bike rides in that regard: it has the exact opposite effect on people who encounter it than the protesters intend. In places where open carry is uncommon (which is most of the country), people tend to react with alarm, concern, or even anger to someone carrying. Frightening or annoying people doesn't often bring them around to your point of view!

Stupid...

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
31. Spot on!!!!
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:32 PM
Oct 2014
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
57. I agree with this. If you really need to carry, you are
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:20 AM
Oct 2014

Better off carrying concealed.

pansypoo53219

(20,959 posts)
28. pacifiers for the ammosexuals.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:30 PM
Oct 2014
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
41. DUzy!
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:32 PM
Oct 2014

and spot on.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
30. There is absolutely nothing I believe in so strongly that I would stoop to tactics like that
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:32 PM
Oct 2014

Sure, I'll call someone a numnuts. I'll even reply to a post and call someone an idiot and that person might call the same back to me. This happens on these forums on the internet.

But I would never ever EVER steal personal photos of someone and do disrespectful things like these assholes are doing. I would never drag someone's child into an argument to protect my rights!

If I was defending my right to choose, my right to vote, my right to marry the person that I love, or even my right to carry a gun into a store - I have so many other ways to defend those rights without doing something so absolutely low and insulting such as these gun nuts are doing.

I respect the right for people to own guns but I also have the right to be able to shop at my local grocery store without wondering if that guy carrying an automatic rifle is just a gun enthusiast or some crazy off his meds wanting to go human hunting. I shouldn't have to live my life in fear and smart gun owners respect that and leave their weapons at home or carry something small enough as to not frighten those people around them.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
40. It would seem that the guy with the two guns
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:21 PM
Oct 2014

has never actually tried to draw that lower gun.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
43. Thanks, was going to post this. Very destructive culture there.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 06:35 PM
Oct 2014

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
48. the TWS afflicted sure are insecure about themselves.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 06:36 AM
Oct 2014
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
49. Time for me to get rid of my Facebook account.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 06:36 AM
Oct 2014

Turbineguy

(37,296 posts)
51. It's a good thing
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 06:50 AM
Oct 2014

they are such cowards. They might feel compelled to join the fight against IS or something otherwise.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
53. I'm going to call BS on this one also, gun owners
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 06:53 AM
Oct 2014

would never say things like this.

We all know which side of the 2A stoops to these types of things.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
55. Penis™. A DU-Approved sexist slur...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:04 AM
Oct 2014

At least my actions didn't get a kid in Ohio killed.

I wonder if some here know about John Crawford? Worse, some may have known and STILL advocate "see a gun, phone 9-1-1."

And they worry about Innertube potty talk.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
58. Yep, amazing
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:29 AM
Oct 2014

Whiskeytide

(4,459 posts)
61. That's an unfair counter argument...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:32 AM
Oct 2014

The John Crawford tragedy was the result of idiots who couldn't tell the difference between a kid playing with a toy - or more likely could tell and just wanted to start some shit - compounded by over-reactive cops who shot first and covered up later.

But that single example doesn't mean we have to put up with morons who threaten the peace. If I see someone open carrying in the Kroger, I know:

1. They are making a political statement, not really afraid for their life. Kroger is not a high crime area.

2. People who think its a good idea to intimidate others with the threat of death as a political statement are more likely to be a little unhinged. They WANT someone to start something with them. They're itching for it.

3. They are not very smart. If that particular Kroger IS, in fact, a place dangerous enough to justify being armed, it is much smarter to CC. OC means you're advertising that you're ready for a confrontation, not trying to avoid one.

4. Their actions have intentionally created a potentially life threatening situation. Either another gun carrier might confront them, or possibly the cops will arrive and confront them. I don't want to get caught up in the crossfire of their 2nd A rights.

5. Exiting the building and calling the cops is the ONLY rational thing I can think of. If you have another suggestion, I'm open to hearing it.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
66. I was in Kroger this week and seen a guy OCin' a compact 1911.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:07 AM
Oct 2014

I had to take a double take just to notice it. The holster matched his belt and shirt color and the jeans were dark. I know for a fact 90% or more of the folks never even noticed a finely crafted 1911 on his side.

I walked by the gun (60 ish) and his wife with my LCP in my right pocket.

This is how OC should be, neat normal (non-tactical) dress, carrying a normal (not SKS / longgun) personal protective device. Of course this was in WV where folks aren't skeert of firearms.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
69. Would you have called the cops on Crawford? nt
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:55 AM
Oct 2014

ileus

(15,396 posts)
67. More internet BS...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:10 AM
Oct 2014

True 2A supporters don't behave like this. It sounds more like 2A regressives trying to troll to me.

petronius

(26,598 posts)
68. Locking. After extensive and careful discussion in the Hosts forum,
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:54 AM
Oct 2014

a consensus has been reached that this article is a gun thread, and not within the limits of the GD SoP. Please consider reposting in one of the two groups that are specific for firearms discussion:

Gun Control & RKBA

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Thank you!

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