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Stuart G

(38,684 posts)
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 08:18 AM Nov 2014

Eight Years Ago Today, The Main Stream Media Died. 8AM

It was a Friday after the 2006 midterm elections. Democrats had won a huge victory in the midterms, lots of positive talk everywhere on the news. Yet, if I recall, that talk did not last very long. On the Thursday after the election, there was other news, Bush had fired Rumsfeld, but that was big news that day, I knew it would be one day, and then, back to our victory. So, I was listening to CBS Radio network news, I recall it was 8AM. Perhaps, I thought, some good news on the huge victory. Some changes would be in order to stop the Bush nightmare. It was the CBS News Radio network, honest, reliable. Walter Cronkite.

The lead story that lasted close to a minute at 8am that day, (the whole radio network news was no more than 4 minutes of news) was John Mc Cain setting up an exploratory committee to run for president in 2008. That was the lead story two days after we won the so called victory of a lifetime. Someone decided that mentioning Mc Cain's committee being set up for a presidential run two years away, was more important than the midterm elections. What the hell??? The story explained why the committee needed to be set up early and that Mc Cain needed time to consider all possibilities. That was the "news" on a respected national radio network eight years ago today. Something was wrong. Someone wanted to pitch Mc Cain tentative campaign more than discuss the huge election victory of a few days ago. . I thought about it, and all respect for the national radio news on CBS flew away forever. (for me) The network was pitching a republican candidate's election two years into the future, when there was other more important "news. " It had morphed into national "tell all" for republican hacks and their point of view. That news source was gone for me, and I soon realized most of them were the same. Not unbiased, but very biased. Their goal is to legitimize a particular point of view, (the republican view) not present news. It had been that way for years.

It happened 8 years ago, on the Friday after the midterm elections, and that is the way it was...and still is... .

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Eight Years Ago Today, The Main Stream Media Died. 8AM (Original Post) Stuart G Nov 2014 OP
The MSM... sendero Nov 2014 #1
I really became aware of that when it was "All Chandra, All the Time." Especially CNN shows. SharonAnn Nov 2014 #27
For me it was when I finally noticed... sendero Nov 2014 #28
The MSM died on whatever day Faux News went on the air. Takket Nov 2014 #2
^^^This^^^ joshdawg Nov 2014 #13
That was the final nail for sure still_one Nov 2014 #14
October 7, 1996 Bryce Butler Nov 2014 #15
the day the news died mehrrh Nov 2014 #23
In February 2003, SamKnause Nov 2014 #3
This ^^^ n/t MANative Nov 2014 #4
^^^This x 2^^^ eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2014 #5
+1!!! Yup, that is when they stopped having to to tell the truth because Fox News was, Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #7
Count Me In This Group ProfessorGAC Nov 2014 #25
Chicago O'Hare UFO sighting. Nov 7, 2006. GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #6
Of course it started long before then zeemike Nov 2014 #8
I blame OJ Simpson ... Myrina Nov 2014 #9
The passage of the a Telecom Act SHRED Nov 2014 #10
Then when Pelosi became Speaker of the House ... Martin Eden Nov 2014 #11
Wrong. Were you alive during the Bush years? You can go back to the Autumn Nov 2014 #12
The GOP started buying up news stations decades ago. Rex Nov 2014 #16
Death spiral started with the Powell Memo of 1971 rurallib Nov 2014 #17
That's it right there. Rex Nov 2014 #19
don't forget Luke Russert and Bushie's daughter rurallib Nov 2014 #20
I try to forget Luke every chance I get. Getting a job, because of daddy is the GOP way. Rex Nov 2014 #24
Beat me to it Scootaloo Nov 2014 #26
Meh Android3.14 Nov 2014 #18
Right Wing Consolidation turbinetree Nov 2014 #21
"news" only lasts 24 hours. thesquanderer Nov 2014 #22
Media imbalance is a timely subject. I think things started to head south around 1988. MatthewStLouis Nov 2014 #29
No! Actually this happened after the election of 1980 dfgrbac Nov 2014 #30
I recall "The Fairness Doctrine" Stuart G Nov 2014 #31
Actually, it was Nov. 2000 2banon Nov 2014 #32
Actually it was in 2000. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #33
2000 election was when I first noticed it had died. Sparkly Nov 2014 #34
It's still dying.... L0oniX Nov 2014 #35
I guess you missed 9/11, WMD lies, constant fake terror alerts and polls on torture Corruption Inc Nov 2014 #36
I remember Linda Tripp was the ugliest thing in the history of news LeftInTX Nov 2014 #37

sendero

(28,552 posts)
1. The MSM...
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 08:22 AM
Nov 2014

... was dead long before that happened. We could all quibble over the actual date but it was certainly well before 2000.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
28. For me it was when I finally noticed...
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:41 AM
Nov 2014

... all the bias and slant on NPR, about 2002. It was an "et to brute" moment for me.

Of course the major news orgs such as ABC, NBC, CNN, etc had gone south long before.

Takket

(22,164 posts)
2. The MSM died on whatever day Faux News went on the air.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 08:26 AM
Nov 2014

They turned journalism into a comedy of hyperbole and now everyone else has followed suit.

mehrrh

(233 posts)
23. the day the news died
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:06 AM
Nov 2014

Someone could re-write Don McClean's lyrics to "The
Day the Music Died" and entitle it, the day the news died.
I believe it happened when the Fairness Doctrine was repealed under Reagan.
It gave rise to the consolidation of media, conservative bias, rightwing pundits masquerading as newsmen, and
legitimate news sources becoming conduits to spread the conservative message of bigotry, racism, misogyny, nativism, and greed.

SamKnause

(13,347 posts)
3. In February 2003,
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 08:36 AM
Nov 2014

a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.

Dustlawyer

(10,505 posts)
7. +1!!! Yup, that is when they stopped having to to tell the truth because Fox News was,
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:20 AM
Nov 2014

"Entertainment!"

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
8. Of course it started long before then
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:23 AM
Nov 2014

And if I had to pick a time it would be when CNN was gobbled up in a hostile takeover.
CNN actually before that covered all kinds of news...now they are entertainment and propaganda arm of the right wing.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
9. I blame OJ Simpson ...
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:28 AM
Nov 2014

His trial was the start of the Geraldo Rivera, celebu-attorney, talking head bs "news" shows, and also spawned the E! channel with it's laughably animated 'play by play' of the trial. And his personal attorney was Robert Kardashian, patriarch of the future fame-whores. So, in essence, he's to blame for both Rush Limbaugh AND the Kim Kardashian-ization of the US Media.

Autumn

(45,503 posts)
12. Wrong. Were you alive during the Bush years? You can go back to the
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:42 AM
Nov 2014

day Fox news can on the radio and your guess would be closer.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. The GOP started buying up news stations decades ago.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:50 AM
Nov 2014

They knew that if you control the market for information, you can control millions of registered voters or at least heavily influence their behavior.

rurallib

(62,696 posts)
17. Death spiral started with the Powell Memo of 1971
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:57 AM
Nov 2014

aided by the killing of the Fairness Doctrine by Saint Ronald and the signing of the Telecommunications act of 1996. The emergence of Fox News was the final fatal blow.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. That's it right there.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:02 AM
Nov 2014

The end results? Chuck Todd. He is the poster boy for the mainstream media.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. I try to forget Luke every chance I get. Getting a job, because of daddy is the GOP way.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:06 AM
Nov 2014

Bush's daughter is now in media? Didn't know that one...barf...

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
18. Meh
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:58 AM
Nov 2014

MSM has been doing its song and dance long before that and will continue it for the foreseeable future.

turbinetree

(24,849 posts)
21. Right Wing Consolidation
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:05 AM
Nov 2014

It began in 1992 when the Fairness Doctrine was eviscerated and we now have the right wing oligarchy of news on both cable and non cable and this country let a foreign national (Rupert Murdoch) start a right wing propaganda show based on his lie to get the license.
Then we had Mort Downy and Rush Limburger and there shows which were picked up by Clear Channel and West Wood One on the radio side and it has now become a joke about news transparency, which is causing the demise of this democracy with the help of the U.S. Supreme court

thesquanderer

(12,151 posts)
22. "news" only lasts 24 hours.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:05 AM
Nov 2014

Whoever wins big on Tuesday is the story on Wednesday. Why would it be the story again on Thursday? There would have to be something new. A disputed result, a reaction from the other party, some source of conflict, because otherwise there's no more "news" to be had. I'm not talking about opinion/personality shows, or sunday roundups... but daily traditional news broadcasts? 24 hours later, everything is always gone, there's nothing nefarious there.

MatthewStLouis

(910 posts)
29. Media imbalance is a timely subject. I think things started to head south around 1988.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:45 AM
Nov 2014

The fairness doctrine was eliminated in 1987. In 1988, Rush Hudson Limbaugh III first went national. During the next few years after, I remember even my own mother listening to him. At a time when more people were waking to the issues of social justice and racial inequality, he became the inflamed and outraged voice of the prejudiced status quo. And he really hit his stride when Bill Clinton became president.

The sad thing is, I can't remember any alternatives radio listeners had, even back then. We had no one on the air. No one with the backing like Limbaugh had. Was NPR even on the air in Southwest Missouri back then? No Air America then.

And now here we are today. Our media is market driven. And the highest bidders are the ones with all the voices.



 

dfgrbac

(418 posts)
30. No! Actually this happened after the election of 1980
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:48 AM
Nov 2014

Ronald Reagan repealed The Fairness Doctrine. Hello Rush Limbaugh!

Stuart G

(38,684 posts)
31. I recall "The Fairness Doctrine"
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:39 PM
Nov 2014

It meant basically the news had to be fairly balanced (all sides considered) With the court ruling about telling the truth, the two ideas 1. the news did not need to be balanced, and 2. the truth did not need to be told..completely destroyed any integrity that the Main Stream Media had/will ever have. Old timers know that it used to be something that could be counted on to at least present "news".

.Now with the so called news, there is so much opinion and slanting that the unschooled viewer can be swayed easily. To see the slanting someone needs to understand the techniques and that too requires effort. I used to teach that years ago in contemporary history, but I really don't know if it is still being taught in high schools. I tried ..

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
33. Actually it was in 2000.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:55 PM
Nov 2014

The MSM was more or less an arm of the Bush campaign, printing unhinged propaganda that occasionally went so far it didn't even pretend to be news. Front-page articles in major national newspapers including the LA Times and New York Times - and not labeled as editorials - called Al Gore names like they were written by a five-year-old and gushed sycophantically about the inevitable victory of Glorious Leader Bush. It was like listening to medieval courtiers gushing about their Master and denouncing his enemies. And 2008 was no less egregious - remember that every possible set of events was "good news for John McCain"? - it just didn't work for them.

Sparkly

(24,170 posts)
34. 2000 election was when I first noticed it had died.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:44 PM
Nov 2014

2004 election was the last time I had real hope for this country.

 

Corruption Inc

(1,568 posts)
36. I guess you missed 9/11, WMD lies, constant fake terror alerts and polls on torture
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:03 PM
Nov 2014

"Tell us what you think about torture" was a thing commonly heard on TV about 11 years ago.

LeftInTX

(27,569 posts)
37. I remember Linda Tripp was the ugliest thing in the history of news
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:45 PM
Nov 2014

Bill's affairs had been with cuties and really didn't command too much attention.

However as soon as they started parading that ugly Linda Tripp as the "whistleblower" or whatever she was supposed to be you just had to stare at her.....like a train wreck or something. (I know that Bill had the affair with Monica, but it seemed like Linda Tripp was the center of the thing)

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