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James48

(4,435 posts)
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:26 PM Nov 2014

Selective Service System Equality?

Selective Service System


► Women Draft Registration Could be Next


As Norway became the first NATO country to require women to register for the draft this month, it has
American military analysts debating whether the US could be on the verge of taking the same step, too. It
was back in 1981 that the US Supreme Court ruled that requiring only men to register for the draft was
constitutional, since there were US laws that banned women from fighting in combat. Essentially, the
argument went, since the purpose of registration for selective service -which all men must do at the age of
18, regardless of whether there is a draft in effect –is to prepare for combat, and women are excluded from
combat, then they would not be needed in the event of a draft. But with the Pentagon’s decision to lift the
ban on women in combat by January 2016– and its move in recent months to open a number of jobs to female
troops previously held only by men - those Supreme Court arguments from 33 years ago may no longer
apply, analysts note, adding that mandatory registration for the draft may be the next logical step.


“It’s a social contract with democracy–that’s my take on it,” says Shelly Burgoyne, a former Army
officer who served two tours of duty in Iraq during the war and believes women should be requi
red to add their names to the Selective Service registry. “If you’re going to take advantage of all of the benefits of a
democracy, then I think you should also bear the responsibility as well.” A former platoon leader running
supply convoys, Ms. Burgoyne says she did not initially think that women should be allowed to serve in
combat jobs and even wrote her senior thesis laying out the reasons why they shouldn’t. Her beliefs changed,
she says, after her time in Iraq. “I saw women physically able to do it,” she says. “I did a full-on reversal
–if you can do the job, then you can do the job.” A congressionally chartered association of US military reservists
recently passed a resolution last year calling for the registration of women for the Selective Service as well,
noting that 14 percent of active duty troops and nearly one -fifth of National Guard and Reserves are now
women.

Even though 275,000 women have deployed to fight America’s recent wars, “an inequality exists between
men and women between the ages of 18 -26 under the Selective Service Act,” the Reserve Officers
Association of the United States notes. “Women should be treated equally as responsible, competent,
contributing members of America’s society. While men are required to register for the Selective Service,
there has not been a draft in the United States since the Vietnam -war era. Pentagon brass strongly believes
that the current all -volunteer force performs much better than a conscripted force would. The presence of
women on the rolls has the potential to make a draft even less politically palatable. Yet there are other
possibilities in the event of a national emergency in which the draft is activated, says retired Maj. Gen.
Charles Dunlap, the former deputy judge advocate general of the Air Force and now the executive director
of the Center on Law, Ethics and National Security at Duke University School of Law in Durham, N.C.
Congress might say, for example, that the national emergency requires 95 percent of draftees to be
fighters, or infantry.

A draft bill might argue that since, say, 95 percent of infantry troops are men, then the national emergency
would require 95 percent of men to be called up, and 5 percent of women, Mr. Dunlap notes. In that case,
the law might say that the 5 per cent requirement could be filled by female volunteers, rather than conscripts, he adds. “There would be a relatively small number of women who would want to do it and be able to pass the test,” Dunlap argues. “Those that wanted to do it and could would be welcomed into the unit, because they would be extraordinary people,” he adds. “I don’t see thousands and thousands of women in the infantry.”

[Source: The Christian Science Monitor | Anna Mulrine | October 28, 2014 ++]
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2014/1028/With-US-women-soon-eligible-for-combat-the-draft-could-be-next


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Yes, women should be treated equally with men when it comes to draft registration
7 (78%)
No, women should not be treated equally in draft registration
1 (11%)
I'm going to have to think about this one
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moriah

(8,311 posts)
8. Agreed. Unless it's a civil-service thing where everyone has to spend 2 years ....
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:10 PM
Nov 2014

... doing something of national importance, with military being just one option.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
3. The only people who want a draft are those who love war but are too old to be conscripted
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:38 PM
Nov 2014

Judging from DU, this includes a high proportion of the people who were against a draft when it was their ass.

So. if we go back to a draft, I really think we ought to start off where the numbers stopped in 1973. That way we can be sure to get all the people who want a conscript military to enjoy it firsthand.

madville

(7,408 posts)
6. There is about 0% of a draft anytime soon
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 03:43 PM
Nov 2014

With the state of the economy, the lack of middle-class jobs and a steady decline for the foreseeable future, the military is turning away volunteers everyday, last article I read says they are only accepting about 20% of the present volunteer applicants.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
7. If there is to be a draft, women should have to register
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 04:07 PM
Nov 2014

That need not mean they go into combat.

But what I really favor is shutting down the SSS and ending registration for everybody.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. Women and men should be treated equally and that treatment should be no draft registration for
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 05:57 PM
Nov 2014

either, much less any actual conscription.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
13. The argument that "women don't have equal protection rights"...
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 06:09 PM
Nov 2014

... derives directly from that selective service court case.

If gender is to be considered a protected class that guarantees equal protection, then male only selective service registration is the main roadblock.

There will be no equality so long as we don't really mean it.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
15. Selective Service System is a big reason the ERA failed to pass
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 07:33 PM
Nov 2014

And the government is not going to ever scrap the Selective Service system as long as Russia and China exist.

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