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Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:07 AM

I'll tell you in 1 word why I won't vote for Hillary

Chelsea


Chelsea exemplifies everything that is wrong with our system incestuous political patronage. Whatever she may have achieved on her own merits there are plenty more who have accomplished just as much if not more but don't get to become multimillionaires within a few years working for hedge fund management firms (most are still working as no/low pay interns). The media gushes over her for her non-accomplishments and give her air time and favorable articles to do nothing memorable.

So why are all these corporations and media outlets heaping undeserved laurels -- and multi-million dollar commissions -- on Chelsea?

Hillary!

They took care of Chelsea so Hillary would take care of them. There is no other rationale. This is bribe-by-proxy.

I've no doubt I'll be flamed for this thread and those who do so will rely on the "but the GOP!" argument. But the GOP what? GOP control of the media? GOP corporate corruption? GOP cronyism? GOP class advantage over the poor and middle class?

A vte for Hillary is a vote to perpetuate this sad, sick, diseased, cancerous system.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:10 AM

1. Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt.

 

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:10 AM

2. Wow. Really dumb post.

 

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:24 PM

124. +1000

 

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Response to lobodons (Reply #124)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:03 PM

162. plus Google on op.

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:35 PM

139. You are way too kind

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #139)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:39 PM

144. Yes, I'm often accused of that. :-)

 

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #144)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:10 PM

167. I've seen some moronic thoughts posted by so called Dems

but this OP is a real turkey. I had to check to be sure I wasn't in Freep Town

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #167)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:00 PM

207. There is an intersection between the two sites.

 

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:05 PM

191. You left off your reasoning. nm

 

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:54 PM

201. Not really

I seem to remember Margaret Truman's singing career that quickly went south once her daddy was out of politics. Oh, she had a nice voice. It just wasn't an outstanding voice but it was a good idea to pave her way in the industry while her daddy was in office.

I think bribes by proxy are as old as government, going back to tribal chieftain days.

Chelsea Clinton seems like a nice enough young woman and heaven knows she had to put up with enough shit growing up that getting paid for it would be nice. However, she needs to know it will last only as long as Mom is in politics, or threatening to be in politics. Then she'll end up spending more time with her family.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:11 AM

3. There are many reasons to not vote for Hillary. Many. What her child does is not one of them.

What do you think of Obamas children? Because they will enjoy exactly the same benefits as Chelsea and Bushs daughters.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:36 AM

13. Her child does nothing except serve as a conduit for money-for-access. nt

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:43 AM

15. They are all members of a select club. What Hillary's daughter does is of no consequence to me.

What Hillary has done and will do is. Her child was given evey opportunity to succeed and has done just that. What upsets me is ALL these fucking politicians have children and they have made sure that them and theirs are given everything they need. To pick one to hate on is rather sad and says more about you then her.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:52 AM

23. Chelsea hasn't succeeded at squat. She got favorable treatment because she is the scion of royalty.

What upsets me is ALL these fucking politicians have children and they have made sure that them and theirs are given everything they need. To pick one to hate on is rather sad and says more about you then her.

Except I'm not picking 1 to reject. I won't vote for any of them. God help us if our electoral choices degenerate to where we are left to choose between the Bush or Clinton dynasties. Seriously. What has Jeb! done except be born a Bush.

Corporations are paying Chelsea for access to and/or favorability from Hillary. That alone is reason to look elsewhere for a candidate and if have no other choice, woe is us.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:55 AM

27. Exactly what I said, any Presidents or politician child gets then same favorable treatment,

I'm not supporting Hillary but Chelsea doesn't enter into my reasons. Did you ever wonder why their kids are handed a silver spoon and ours do without? Because we let them give to their kids by taking from ours hell we fucking voted for them while they did it.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:07 AM

33. You and I are almost on the same page. What you lay on Chelsea, I lay on Hillary

God help us all if we get another corporatist in the White House.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #33)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:14 AM

36. Fair 'nuff.

I've often appreciated your posts and I appreciate this one.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:19 AM

43. Right back at you. So what shall we do about this mess we find ourselves in?

Something has to be done. We are reaching a tipping point on so many fronts.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #43)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:27 AM

49. For starters, people should stop treating Hillary as if she's inevitable and the best compromise.

We have real candidates, even if we don't know their names yet. People have looked for a thousand excuses for the just-resolved election. One underlying theme was: @#$% the status quo. That breaking with the status quo could come to mean GOP over Democrat screams that we have become insulated in our offerings. No wonder the millenials became the meh!-llenials. Where's the bold young visionary? We still have a few lying around. Right? How sad is it the youngest female elected to Congress is a Republican?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #49)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:33 AM

64. Those bold young visionaries? You explained exactly where they are

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5848605

"Yet, hard working, talented, intelligent people are condemned to a life of much less. Plenty of kids aren't going to make it to the board room except to deliver coffee and donuts for no reason other than they grew-up on the wrong side of town. They'll receive a nominal gratuity, a pat on the head as they are sent back to the crime ridden neighborhood where they will then be handed a flier telling them how important it is to vote for the mother of the girl at the end of the table."

Unfortunately their vision is of poverty low wages and crushing debt.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #49)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:29 PM

132. We have Bernie Sanders who can put a stop to the

corporate purchasing of out politicians! He is for Publicly Funded Elections, getting rid of campaign contributions, and locking the revolving door. If he sees that enough of us would support him he will run for POTUS. when other politicians see his momentum they will jump on the Bandwagon. We have got to put a stop to the Plutocrats and their influence, this is the only rational way. It won't happen if too many vote for Hillary who will perpetuate the system. She is on a first name basis with all if the Wall Street and other corporate players. Our system is broken and the only one talking about running that wants to fix it needs our support. This is the fight of our time and the stakes couldn't be higher! Climate Change will not wait and it will not be properly addressed as long as politicians can be legally bought!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #132)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:50 PM

153. Are you serious? How long has Bernie been a member of Congress?

How much of your issues has he accomplished?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #153)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:59 PM

157. As a Senator, he is one of a 100, as POTUS he would

have the Bully Pulpit and could be heard. He will point out the corruption. He would bring us much further along and possibly spur people like yourself into fighting with him. It is much better than business as usual. Would it be easy or even likely, no, but it would advance the ball and make it an issue. Repeating the same thing and expecting a different result is the problem. Bernie would definitely not be the same as what we have had and I believe we have to stop the ability to purchase our government. What do you believe?

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #157)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:25 PM

181. The POTUS is one branch and should be working with Congress to get issues accomplished.

He could enjoy a bully pulpit in the Senate but he has to establish a relationship with other members of the Senate to get bills passed. Has he established a relationship to get your issues passed and has he been successful. You likewise have to work towards comprise to get issues changed, it is not do everything as "I" want, this us a ploy of the TP and though they have several members in Congress and have been successful in shutting down the government they don't have much achieved.

Bernie has declared himself a socialist, he can do what he wants but getting elected to POTUS will not happen for him.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #181)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 08:37 PM

223. He has relationships in the Senate galore and has/will compromise. They Bully Pulpit is Teddy

Roosevelt's name for the President's ability to be heard by the nation. I admit it's not likely for him to win, but running would help to get his message out. We as Progressives are generally for everything he is saying, and I am sure many conservative voters would like the idea of Publicly Funded Elections, just not Bernie, but it plants the seed. Everyone in America except politicians and the Plutocrats are sick of the corruption of our political system. We will have to agree to disagree.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #223)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:56 PM

225. His message has not taken center stage since January 3, 1991, what would be the difference in 2016?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #181)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:25 PM

232. He has accomplished an enormous for the people who elected him in his own state. He actually IS a

great Chess Player. He knows that as an Independent he can bargain for his votes where Dems need his vote. Had he run as a Democrat, his votes would have been taken for granted, see Russ Feingold and how he was simply pushed aside and ignored. Had HE been an Independent he would have had more leverage.

Bernie got a lot for the people who elected him before he cast his vote for the Health Insurance Bill eg. He wanted a PO, National HC, but he is realistic. Once he understood what was going on he did not just 'go along' he decided to trade his vote to get HIS STATE what they needed.

What bills did Hillary or Obama get passed, what connections did they have in the Senate that would translate into getting things done once in the WH? Other than Party loyalty, neither had long term relationships in the Senate.

What a president needs is the PEOPLE behind them. They need to go to the PEOPLE when they want something passed. But our Presidents don't do that. They go to Wall St and the MIC who then twist the arms of the People's Reps while the People know nothing about it.

That is what was so brilliant about FDR. He didn't rely on Congress or the Senate, he went directly to the people each time he wanted to get something passed into law.

There are ONLY a few things that can stop Sen Sanders from making it to the WH, one is MONEY, and people being told 'he can't win'.

Well, I intend to ignore these nay sayers this time and if he runs, I will be working to get him elected.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #232)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:35 PM

235. What you said!!! It seems that many just want to poke holes at people at least trying to change the

dynamics. Change is unsettling, but now with the Plutocrats having almost complete control over our government, courts, and media it is very necessary. People who do not believe we have a problem with the bribery of our politicians, or believe our Democratic Party will fix it if we just elect more of them, are just as deluded as the FOX Bots who only listen to RW media.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #33)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:47 AM

87. Democratic corporatists are better than Republican ones

At least they are more willing to have corporations regulated. Republicans would gut it all.

Democrats can start wars too, but they don't do it as gleefully and on so little excuse as Republicans.

Until the Greens can win the House/Senate and the WH, Democratic corporatists are a good thing.

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Response to treestar (Reply #87)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:03 PM

100. At one time I thought that also, I don't believe it anymore.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:40 AM

75. I don't agree

There is still an amount of success involved. If Chelsea had grown up like me, I still think she'd have gotten into Harvard or the like. And done pretty well. Maybe not as well as she has, but pretty well. She's got the genes for good brains.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:36 AM

67. AMEN!

Why not pick on ANY offspring whose parents are successful and do what they can, as any parent would, to help their child/children?

This OP is ridiculous. As you stated, Autumn, there's a plethora of reasons not to vote for Hillary, but blaming Chelsea for what any parent would do, if they could, for their child is silly.

To me Chelsea comes off as a humble person.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:16 PM

175. Amy Lynn Carter!

ALL these fucking politicians have children
and they have made sure that them and theirs
are given everything they need


But not all their children are craven opportunists.
See also: Amy Lynn Carter

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Response to Autumn (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:46 AM

17. You're leaving out Amy Carter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Carter

Carter later became known for her political activism, participating in a number of sit-ins and protests during the 1980s and early 1990s, aimed at changing U.S. foreign policy towards South African apartheid and Central America.[6] Along with activist Abbie Hoffman and 13 others, she was arrested during a 1986 demonstration at the University of Massachusetts Amherst for protesting CIA recruitment there. She was acquitted of all charges in a well-publicized trial in Northampton, Massachusetts. Attorney Leonard Weinglass, who defended Abbie Hoffman in the Chicago Seven trial in the 1960s, utilized the necessity defense, successfully arguing that CIA involvement in Central America and other hotspots was equivalent to trespassing in a burning building. . . .

In September 1996, Carter married computer consultant James Gregory Wentzel, whom she had met while attending Tulane. Carter chose not to be given away, stating that she "belonged to no one". Carter and Wentzel both kept their own family names. The couple moved to the Atlanta area, where they continue to live and focus on raising their son, Hugo James Wentzel (born July 29, 1999). In Atlanta, Hugo attended Woodward Academy, Carter's alma mater. Since the late 1990s, Carter has maintained a low profile, neither participating in public protests nor granting interviews. She is a member of the board of counselors of the Carter Center that advocates human rights and diplomacy as established by her father.

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Response to starroute (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:51 AM

22. Yes I did forget her and Reagans kids too. But any Presidents or politicians kids get the same

benefits Chelsea has been given.

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Response to starroute (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:42 AM

77. Looks like she used that power for good

And they are far more likely to than Republican descendants.

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Response to treestar (Reply #77)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:32 PM

136. Megan McCain comes to mind. n/t

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Response to starroute (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:45 AM

81. And 4 of FDR's 5 kids (one didn't make it to adulthood) ...

 

and all of the kids of the Kennedy clan ... and, well ... every child of prominent parents.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:28 AM

50. +++1000 nt

 

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:11 AM

4. Follow the Money

 

Clinton deregulates Wall Street
Bunches of ill gotten gains result at the cost of the suffering little guy and gal
Chelsea gets a high paying job at Wall Street
Hillary takes money from Wall Street for her speeches (yeh, I bet it's all about her wise words and nothing else)

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:11 AM

5. That seems like an odd objection

I understand why you might feel that way - but any potential candidate with children is going to likely have those children have special benefits not available to the rest of us. I don't personally like it; I hate favoritism of any kind, but it's the way the world works, and it's unlikely that any Presidential candidate with children won't have the same situation.

Bryant

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:13 AM

6. Superb

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:14 AM

7. Whatever.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:16 AM

8. I gave it a rec

Because this is the first time I've seen someone make the argument.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:21 AM

9. What an absurd post.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:23 AM

10. Absolutely! Children of celebrities becoming celebrities? This is ridiculous!!1!

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:24 AM

11. Maybe they're just grateful to Bubba?

NAFTA, Telecommunications Act, repeal of Glass Steagall.

Bubba also speaks about how necessary lobbyists are for lawmakers. Heaven knows, the staffs taxpayers pay for can't 'splain legislation to lawmakers the way lobbyists can. Without lobbyists, lawmakers, many of whom are both lawyers and long time lawmakers, our lawmakers would never get it. So, all you taxpayers and voters, be grateful that lobbyists are as pervasive and influential as they are.

Not to mention that Bubba, more than any other single person, was responsible for turning the Democratic Party into a center right party.

Yeah, in their shoes, I'd be plenty grateful to Bubba.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:33 AM

12. I don't care how servile and nepotistic the media is.

Hillary Clinton is garbage because to this day she accepts no responsibility for her collaborationist actions under the Bush regime. Totally unrepentant.

Being ruthlessly self-serving is one thing, but to be so arrogant and narcissistic you can't even admit you were that unbelievably wrong a decade later...she is a truly disgusting, immoral person.

Her being on board with Bush's crimes was not feigned. That's simply how she would do things in office - just perhaps with a more dignified vocabulary. As if what this country needs is Richard Nixon Redux.

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Response to True Blue Door (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:09 PM

105. One thing you left out. Obama is on board with Bush's crimes, the same one's you lay on Hillary .

Just saying

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Response to Autumn (Reply #105)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:12 PM

111. Outrageous lie.

I'm really sick of some people acting like his "failure" to politically interfere in the Justice Department is tantamount or even analogous to Hillary Clinton's outright collaborationism with war criminals.

He ended the torture, he ordered Gitmo closed (Congress blocked it), we're back in line with international standards of conduct. His administration follows international law.

I would have liked to see war crimes prosecutions, but a President does not have the authority to order them or block them unless you want military tribunals for the Republican leadership - and good luck with the civil war that would ensue from that, which most of the military would fight on the side of the GOP since their commanders would be in the dock beside Bush and Cheney.

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Response to True Blue Door (Reply #111)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:18 PM

119. Problem is it's not a lie. It's not just his ""failure" to politically interfere"

He has embraced the permanent war footing, he has covered up and excused the one's who committed torture, the NSA collecting data on US citizens and more. You may not like it but it's not a lie.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #119)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:25 PM

125. You are just making shit up.

What you're saying is just parroting hysterical blog coverage, not a reflection of actual policies and events.

Either quote the Executive Order establishing a "permanent war footing," or retract that claim.

Cite any evidence whatsoever that this President ordered a "coverup" of Bush's torture, or retract the claim. I suppose he released the Torture Memos early in his administration as some sort of fiendish ploy to confuse us all. But we run into such doublethink constantly whenever we entertain such claims as yours.

Quote the President where he ever - EVER - excuses torture, or retract the claim.

As for the NSA, he's the first President in the agency's 62-year history to impose explicit limits on its surveillance activities. Which, I'm sure, he once again did in order to do the exact opposite. Such is the logic of people like you.

But I suppose in your media-driven reality, the fact that Edward Snowden picked this administration to release his information during, and the President hasn't single-handedly attempted to demolish the American national security system against the opposition of Congress and the indifference of the people, that makes Obama some sort of totem of the surveillance state.

Go back to middle school civics and learn what a government is.

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Response to True Blue Door (Reply #125)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:46 PM

149. I never said one word about Executive Orders on anything , nice try

though on making a couple of awesome little dodges. Here are a couple of links for you to ignore. You do know who John Brennen is don't you? The CIA director Obama so strongly defended? Do you know his history? Oh well you can figure it out yourself. Or probably not, but I'm not interested in what you say either.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/does-it-matter-if-john-brennan-was-complicit-in-illegal-torture/266918/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/john-brennan-torture_n_2639525.html

Have a nice day and go right on and prove those links a lie.

here's another link freshly posted

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/11/21/senator-white-house-simply-doesnt-want-public-know-scope-cia-torture

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Response to Autumn (Reply #149)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:00 PM

158. So your stirring moral indictment of the President is that he nominated a guy

who was never in a position to stop torture in the first place, but was aware of it and failed to go Edward Snowden on the subject under the rule of a mad dictator.

You are just desperate to attack this President. It's sad to see how far ODS can lead someone astray from basic reason.

The only torture this President has ever in any way been associated with is your tortured logic in attacking him.

Pathetic.

I say again: First President in the NSA's 62-year history to impose explicit limits on surveillance.

Released the Torture Memos despite Republican shrieks.

Ordered the closure of Gitmo prison.

Ended the torture.

You have no facts, just innuendo and hate, just like Republicans.

If you're that worked up about it, go get justice yourself on the torturers. Or maybe you're not that worked up about it after all - just worked up enough to smear someone else.

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Response to True Blue Door (Reply #158)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:47 PM

199. Here's another link on torture for you. Just posted in GD.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #199)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:55 PM

203. LOL, so your Brennan tack fell apart and now you're on to the next angle.

Not to cast aspersions on Senator Rockefeller's telepathic abilities, but can you please explain to us mere mortals why the administration released the torture memos if its plan was to hide torture from the public awareness?

I suppose, absent an explanation of that, you're just going to post some other bit of innuendo. Funny how when you're not limited by actual facts, you never run out of things to say.

That's something you share with the President's Republican critics - an equally liberating disregard for reality.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:37 AM

14. I'll tell you in 1 word why I WILL vote for HRC ...

 

(should she be the Democratic nominee) ...

REPUBLICANS.

EOM.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:43 AM

16. Bravo!

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Response to asjr (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:48 AM

19. I thought about responding to the OP with a more substantive response; but ...

 

anyone that would not vote for a candidate because a high profile person's kid is more connected than someone of less prominence is so far detached from reality, as to be unreachable.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:07 AM

32. Then you approve of pay-for-play by proxy.

anyone that would not vote for a candidate because a high profile person's kid is more connected than someone of less prominence is so far detached from reality, as to be unreachable.

Can I bookmark this for the next time you're railing about the 1% or institutionalized white privilege? Really. The hypocrisy is galling.

Nothing in Chelsea's resume shows her to be particularly talented or savvy. She's a member of the lucky sperm club and that is the extent of it. Tens of millions of dollars were showered on her so her mother would luck favorably upon those doing the gifting.

Yet, hard working, talented, intelligent people are condemned to a life of much less. Plenty of kids aren't going to make it to the board room except to deliver coffee and donuts for no reason other than they grew-up on the wrong side of town. They'll receive a nominal gratuity, a pat on the head as they are sent back to the crime ridden neighborhood where they will then be handed a flier telling them how important it is to vote for the mother of the girl at the end of the table.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:13 AM

35. I live in the real world. eom.

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:15 AM

39. Generally the term "Progressive" implies a rejection of the status quo. nt

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:19 AM

42. One can reject the status quo without launching quixotic missions ...

 

seeking to change human nature via withholding a vote is quixotic, at best.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:20 AM

44. Is it as quixotic as voting for patronage and political insularity and then expecting reform?

The corporations are going to get their money's worth.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #44)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:37 AM

69. Okay. eom.

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #42)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:13 PM

238. If corporate patronage of the ruling elite is your only reality then, by gumption, you'll have it.

May the oligarchs always be kind to you.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #39)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:05 PM

237. One can reject the status quo without living in an alternate universe.

Would you have voted for the Kennedys?

They all had trust funds where they never had to work if they didn't want to.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #237)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:15 PM

239. The Kennedys?

You mean the Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, dead mistresses Kennedys? Hell, why *wouldn't* I leap over myself to vote for THAT?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #239)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:18 PM

240. At least you're consistent

And, ahhhh, you would have voted for Dick Nixon in 1960?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #240)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:21 PM

241. Consistently factual.

Would you have voted for the Bay of Pigs and greater involvement in Vietnam?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #241)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:27 PM

242. No, but since elections are choices...

No, but since elections are binary choices and Dick Nixon and John Kennedy were the only candidates on the ballot with any chance of winning I would have voted for JFK.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #242)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:30 PM

243. Yeah. Binary choices. 300 million people and all we can come up with is

Kennedys, Bushes, Clintons and Nixon. We bitch about being slaves but damned if we don't keep putting the chains back on ourselves.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:26 AM

48. I think you are being too rough on Chelsea.

 

She was born into that particular hot mess. Remember her dad was caught fucking around when she was in her early teens, that can't have been good for her with all the cameras and talk all over. Never is for kids, but early teens is a real bad time and Chelsea's must have been dreadful. She seems kind of lost to me, like she doesn't know who she is because she is being told who she is? That sort of thing.

I sort of agree with your topic but picking out just one example is a wee bit off, I think. I feel more sorry for Chelsea than resentful of whatever anyone thinks she has.

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Response to LawDeeDah (Reply #48)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:30 AM

54. I don't resent her as a person but I know a quid pro quo scheme when I see it.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #54)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:33 AM

63. Yes, I see it too but it's her parents work more than hers, I believe.

 

Sort of like an arranged marriage, a good child goes along with the wise parents decisions, no matter how unwise those decisions are.

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Response to LawDeeDah (Reply #48)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:44 AM

80. good point

and having Mush Limpet making fun of her looks publicly at that age. I don't see how that can have been anything but awful. Though her parents probably did help her a lot to be strong.

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Response to LawDeeDah (Reply #48)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:54 AM

94. "Fucking around?" You mean sexually violating and harassing women.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:29 AM

52. Your last paragraph is everything that is wrong with this country.

And it's heart breaking.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:32 AM

60. You said one word would keep you

from voting for Hillary Clinton--Chelsea--and then added more and more words to that one word--Chelsea. The Black Man also said one word--Republicans and nothing else. He made his point!

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Response to asjr (Reply #60)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:38 AM

70. He also could have aid "selling-out," although that is hyphenated. nt

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:34 AM

65. No. It means he's realistic. ANYONE who is prominent enough to win the Presidency

is going to be prominent enough to benefit any children s/he has.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:45 AM

84. By definition no one can be POTUS

without becoming famous and their kids in the WH will become nationally known. Though adult children fly more under the radar.
Bernie and Elizabeth themselves might have kids. They would become well known too.

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Response to treestar (Reply #84)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:47 AM

86. And the children of Bernie and Elizabeth ...

 

are benefitted by their parents political/wealth connections.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #86)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:52 PM

216. Psst! I love 'em both, but you can't say that here!



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Response to freshwest (Reply #216)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:59 PM

217. Dontchaknowit ...

 

only SOME wealthy and powerful folks are to be criticized for allowing their children the advantages of being wealthy and/or powerful.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:10 PM

108. After these midterm elections

 

chosing not to vote for Clinton, sounds especially ludicrous.

I have no time for that type of idiocy and flagrant Republican assistance.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #108)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:14 PM

173. After this midterm, choosing to nominate Clinton is even more absurd.

When the hole is too deep you stop fucking digging, not double down on excavation.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #173)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:33 PM

182. I don't believe we were talking Primaries

 

we were talking nominated persons on the ballot as POTUS.

But you go ahead and continue to rail against Hillary in the now, I actaully don't care. However, if you chose to continue the railing if she become the Dem Nominee, you can help the Reps bury the Dems all you want but I won't have time for that idiocy either.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #182)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 06:27 PM

221. It will be the supporters of the Turd Way that are burying Democrats. They go there and they are

on their own as they would leave the people.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:47 AM

18. Yes, yes and hell yes!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:53 AM

25. I guess..

 

you just proved part of the OPs argument correct

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Response to GummyBearz (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:14 AM

37. What part was that? eom.

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:36 AM

68. The part

 

where the OP said: "I've no doubt I'll be flamed for this thread and those who do so will rely on the "but the GOP!" argument."

Then you chime in with: "I'll tell you in 1 word why I WILL vote for HRC ... REPUBLICANS"

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Response to GummyBearz (Reply #68)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:38 AM

71. Oh ...

 

Okay.

Damned recognizing of reality!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #71)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 04:00 PM

218. And then,

 

When the reality of HRC shoving the TPP down our throats, continuing drone strikes, continuing wall street bailouts, asking for mid-east war #N is reality, your ability to close your eyes and plug your ears while saying "shes not a REPUBLICAN!" over and over will come in handy for you.

For me, not so much

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Response to GummyBearz (Reply #218)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 04:03 PM

219. And what does ANY of that have to do with ...

 

the OP's "1 word" reason for not voting for HRC?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #219)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 04:04 PM

220. uh,

 

It has to do with your response to the OP. That is what I was replying to. You really do keep eyes and ears turned off...

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:21 AM

45. +100 ... n/t

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:32 AM

58. +1000. n/t

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:43 AM

78. +1

I see nothing friggin' wrong with that! I don't care how corporatist the Dems are, they can win and they are not Republicans. Geez, after living through 8 years of Dumbya people can still raise that old complaint? It gets them nowhere!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:09 PM

106. If she wins the primary, she will have my vote in the general because their nominee will be worse.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:37 PM

184. Don't forget the USSC. Citizens United would not have happened if

Al Gore had nominated justices for the seats occupied by Alito and Roberts.

Nor would Gore's USSC appointees have gutted the Voting Rights Act, or allowed complicated and expensive voter ID hoops to become the new poll taxes to keep minorities and the poor from exercising their right to vote!

People can be so darned obtuse about what is at stake.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #184)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:54 PM

190. But ... But ...

 

"Hillary's daughter has advantages that I do not, so I'll show her ... I won't vote for HRC!"

End result ... the daughter will still have more advantages AND we get a gop whitehouse.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #184)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:50 PM

214. Jeb Bush is running, you can be sure of it. Let's talk about his kids...

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:49 AM

20. Correct.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:50 AM

21. In a recent televised interview with Chelsea she said the hedge fund work was

actually her form of rebelling against her parents, and what she felt they stood for.
She said it didn't work, and that she was drawn to leave that world, and start doing public service. I think she said something to the effect of, "Turns out I am my parents' daughter."

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Response to sketchy (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:53 AM

26. She, of course, gave away the money. Right?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:56 AM

28. lol - right? Just like that Lewis guy, "Liar's Poker", writing that memoir

 

from the sunny hills surrounding San Francisco in Marin County from his beautiful home undoubtedly bought - in part - from proceeds of doing his bit in playing investors for suckers.

Or again, like that woman from the NY Times who recently repented, saying she'd withheld a story under pressure from the State Department, or the NSA or someone in the US bureaucracy.

Same story, same shit, different day.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:19 PM

176. You keep upping your game. It is fantastic to watch!!!! nt.

 

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Response to sketchy (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:30 AM

56. Now that's funny.

 

Turns out there is even more money in 'public service' for the Clintons combine with hedge fundery.

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Response to sketchy (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:56 AM

96. Aww ...I almost feel sorry for her ....NOT!

 

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Response to sketchy (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:48 PM

151. How nauseating. /nt

 

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:52 AM

24. So the hedge fund work was Chelsea's teen rebellion

to sum it up

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:58 AM

29. The one word for me? Kissinger! nt

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Response to Quackers (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:00 AM

30. ^^THIS ^^ n/t

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Response to Quackers (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:04 AM

31. +1

 

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Response to Quackers (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:33 PM

183. +1 nt

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Response to Quackers (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:48 PM

189. I will add another - Blankfein.

 

Those two are presumptive disqualifiers.

Though I do find it interesting that Jimmy Carter's daughter Amy married a regular guy - an IT consultant apparently - and lives quietly in Atlanta, working with the Carter Center.

Bill and Hillary got all the ducks in a row so that their daughter would be safely married off to a tenth-percenter.

Kinda speaks for itself, doesn't it.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:12 AM

34. I'll vote for Mussolini if ...

the other guys nominate Hitler.

I'd be willing to vote for a third-party candidate if one were actually viable. But until that day comes, I'm voting for the best of the two candidates offered up by the two major parties. In my lifetime, that has always been the Democrat.

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Response to dawg (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:25 AM

47. This. Every . Single . Time.

The glitter-shitting- pony brigade can chant Sanders(not A Dem ) , Warren (not running) all they want. If either changed their mind , and ran in Primary , and won.....I'd vote for them in 2016, no question about it.

Somehow the purity council forbids the reverse scenario .

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Response to pkdu (Reply #47)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:31 AM

57. And the thing is ... I *do* want a pony.

I'll almost certainly trot down to the polls to vote for Sanders in the primary (or Warren, if she decides to run). I don't want to have to vote for Hillary in the general. I don't think she is inevitable, or that she is any more electable in the general than Warren would be.

But I'll gladly vote for her in the general election.

President Obama has done a ton of things to piss me off. Drones. Failure to stop abuses by NSA. Proposing Chained CPI. Surrendering Public Option without a fight.

But he has basically been a good President.

And I have no illusions at all that things would not have been a hundred times worse under President Romney or McCain. (And the Republicans are likely to nominate someone even worse next time.)

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Response to dawg (Reply #57)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:39 AM

73. Then Sir , my hat is off to you. Wish there were more like you.

Would I love to see an America where 60+ percent of the electorate would vote for a Bernie Sanders worldview?...you bet your ass. However , I'm sad to say a third of America is Teahaddist/FauxLovers,middle third is at best centre- right , and remixing third is center-left and Liberal/Progressive. I want (D) next to my president when that lot vote.

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Response to pkdu (Reply #73)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:48 AM

88. We already live in that America.

The American electorate hates liberals. They've had that drilled into them for fifty years.

But 90% of them don't really understand the policy issues that liberals and conservatives argue about. On issue after issue, the American people support liberal positions, just not liberal politicians.

Sadly, they mostly just want to vote for a tall, rich, white, straight, Christian man with a happy-looking family. Rather than learn all the details of the issues, they take the easy way out, and vote for the kind of guy they trust. And that is the kind of guy they trust and feel confident with.

We have to burn through those prejudices. But it is a serious mistake to think the electorate is conservative on the issues, when, actually, they vote more on their "gut feel" than anything.

We need to find a way of giving them a better "gut feel" about us, without compromising any of our principles in the process.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:14 AM

38. ACRASIA

Purest form .

With a schmeer of Toopid for actual reason stated.

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Response to pkdu (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:19 AM

41. Remind me what Chelsea did to merit her tens of millions of dollars as well as TV and magazine time.

And then remind me what the plan is to overcome the nepotism and patronage that is choking government for and by the people.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:21 PM

123. Seriously ? Chelsea Clinton is giving you a sad?....she is not on the ballot in 2016 , her Mom

might be. But if she is , go ahead and hand the Presidency to Ted Cruz , then we'll see about " both parties are the same" or whatever lameass self-defeating nonsense you'd prefer.

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Response to pkdu (Reply #123)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:31 PM

134. Becoming *exactly* like the other party IS self-defeating.

But you still haven't answered what Chelsea did to earn her money or how perpetuating the system of patronage will defeat the system of patronage.

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Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:22 AM

46. Wow, of all the things to criticize about Hillary

You pick Chelsea? A well-adjusted young lady who had to deal with idiots like John McCain calling her a dog when she was about 13? Someone who, regardless of her circumstance, has actually gotten off her ass and given her time to the Clinton Global Initiative?

I guess you think the Bush twins are good role models and the Kardashians are average Americans?

I totally disagree with your rationale.

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #46)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:45 AM

83. Well said!

I say, lay off the kids. I can't imagine what Sasha and Malia must hear or read about their parents; although I think they're going to grow up to be awesome well-adjusted women thanks to good parenting and a wonderful grandmother.

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #46)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:57 AM

97. While that one isn't at the top of my list

I do understand that it follows from both fear of family dynasties and dislike of elite treatment of those born to elite status

I'm rather more concerned about Sec Clinton's limited ability to explain economic dynamics in terms of Keynesian principles.

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #46)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:13 PM

171. Agree, but think your insults are a little off.

I believe it was Limbaugh who ("accidentally" compared her to the family dog and McCain who said she was the love child of Janet Reno and HRC. Imagine getting that kind of national bullying (by adults!) when you were in you preteen and teen years.

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Response to deurbano (Reply #171)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:48 PM

200. You're correct.

Sorry, didn't have time to "google" before my original post, so thank you for the clarification.

But, as you indicate, I think you got the gist of my post - that being that it certainly would have been difficult to have people making insults like those about you publicly in your preteen and teen years.


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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #200)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:05 PM

208. I can't even imagine what that would be like.

It's pathetic that these adult bullies (of a child!) are still considered esteemed Republican spokesmen. (Not surprising... but pathetic.)

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:28 AM

51. Is this a warped version of condemning a child for the sins of the parents?

Neither one makes any sense.

I won't vote for Hillary because... CHELSEA????

I am sorry. It is an inane, stupid argument.

Sorry.

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Response to longship (Reply #51)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:29 AM

53. original sin? hmmmm. very weird

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Response to still_one (Reply #53)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:45 AM

82. The argument in the OP is indeed weird. nt

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Response to longship (Reply #82)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:48 AM

89. exactly. Criticize the candidate, but not the kid

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Response to longship (Reply #51)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:32 AM

61. I would rather be angry about the children of Kochs, Adlestein, and the banisters and the Wall Stree

 

Barons whose wealth will be inherited for doing nothing more than being born into it...the Koch brothers and their ilk. Why, because they all go out of their way to actually do things to hurt people and trample on the little folks while they themselves feed at the Federal troughs in multiple ways. And they have been doing it for years....How old is Chelsea?

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #61)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:41 AM

76. She is 34 years old.

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Response to longship (Reply #51)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:08 PM

104. Chelsea's fortunes are nothing more than a down payment for access to Hillary.

A bribe by proxy.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #104)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:13 PM

115. Evidence please?

That is an odious claim.

Again, I would no more inflict the sins of the parents on their progeny than I would inflict the sins of the progeny on the parents.

The argument is completely without any evidence, other than idiocy.

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Response to longship (Reply #115)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:29 PM

131. What other 20-something gets to become a multi-millionaire fresh out of school with no experience?

Did she invent something? No. Did she turn a failing company into a market success? No.

She "traded" hedge funds. Except neophyte traders spend their early careers in the pits, not raking in truckloads of money.

A hedge fund manager will make between 0.3% to 0.7% for the money they manage. Chelsea is worth $15 million. Assuming a mid-level commission rate of 0.5% y'all are telling me and every other sane person that some multi-national corporate firm is going to give a neophyte fresh out of college THREE BILLION DOLLARS to manage.

Yeah. She earned it all by herself.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #131)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:33 PM

137. Again. Irrelevant. And again, do you really want to inflict a child's sins upon a parent?

Or the contrary. Either one is odious.

I am done here. And BTW, I am no HRC fan.

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Response to longship (Reply #137)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:43 PM

146. What "sins" are you talking about? The only sin of the parent I'm alleging is

political patronage. If you're saying I'm imputing that to Chelsea, then -- yeah -- you would be right but then you're still admitting the premise of the OP that Hillary is part of the corrupt system where corporate access to the halls of power are bought and paid for.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #131)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:47 PM

150. Bristol Palin

 


You know, " target="_blank">Bristol Palin -- high-school dropout, knocked up at 17, shacking up with a series of losers . . .

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #150)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:11 PM

168. And that just proves my point that the system is paying to protect itself rather than

rewarding scions for their personal ability.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:30 AM

55. Nuts!

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:33 AM

62. Perhaps in order to secure your vote the Democrats will nominate ...

a candidate whose children are currently residing in a refrigerator box and eating out of dumpsters because their parents threw them out on their ass.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #62)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:35 AM

66. Hah! There's the ticket!

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #62)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:40 AM

74. What did Chelsea do to earn her millions?

The corporations will get their money's worth.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #62)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:49 AM

91. thread win

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:39 AM

72. Caroline Kennedy

From almost birth was to be favored, whatever she wants to do is available to her.

Chelsea is like that.

So are Sasha and Malia.

It's unfair to the rest of us in the purest sense, but just not worth it. They and their parents work for the betterment of the rest of us,, unlike Republicans. I think you tried to veer that off because you know it's a good argument.

Meghan McCain and any Bush daughter will have the same privileges. But not do as much good for others with them.

Your argument would discount the Kennedys. That's paralyzing our most powerful allies.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:44 AM

79. That's how I felt about Joe Kennedy's kids.

Buncha malcontents, riding to fame and wealth on the hems of mommy and daddy's coattails. What did they ever accomplish?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:46 AM

85. Chelsea is not my reason

 

but glad you are not voting for Hillary. I won't be either if she runs. I live in CT. If Hillary is the DEM nominee, recent trends suggest the DEM will win CT, so I am free to vote for another candidate. No harm, no foul.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:49 AM

90. No more dynasties.

 

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Response to JEB (Reply #90)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:54 AM

95. +1

 

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:52 AM

92. Yeah, because Chelsea is the only politician's kid to ever have her career-track skis greased

Wow...I mean Jesus Fuckin' Christ...

Here's a fun game for you: Pick any career politician from any party with children older than 20, and see how many are working dream jobs for a high salary...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #92)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:00 PM

98. I didn't say she was the ony one. In fact, I'm saying she's part of a corrupt system.

That explicitly says she isn't the only one. She's one of the elite, insular aristocracy.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #98)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:06 PM

103. But still -- What Chelsea may or may not do with her life should have little to do with

whether or not you vote for Hillary...

I mean damn...You could have listed any number of legit Hillary-related reasons to not vote for her, and I probably would agree with you...

If you want to curse the "system", then fine...But at the end of the day the Clinton family has to swim in the same water as the rest of Washington, so until the system is changed, why shouldn't they try to make the most of it??

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #103)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:09 PM

107. Chelsea hasn't done anything with her life accept become a multi-millionaire so as to

escort the patrons to mommy's desk in the Oval Office.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #107)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:12 PM

113. So who is your choice for Dem nominee, then?

Because I'm guessing that person's shit will have to be twice as clean as anyone else's...I wish you luck in finding that candidate...

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:52 AM

93. How dare you knock Chelsea, mother of the year! But, you do bring up a valid point.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:00 PM

99. Wow.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #99)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:06 PM

102. Another non-answer.

So far criticism of the OP has ranged from "We must sell-out!" to -- whatever it is you're offering.

Not one detractor, though, can explain what Chelsea has done to merit her tens of millions of dollars or the TV and magazine time heaped upon her. Those kissing up to Chelsea are making down payments for access to her mother.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #102)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:12 PM

114. I devoted as much time to it as I thought it deserved.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #114)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:35 PM

138. That's usually what you say when you run away.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:05 PM

101. Do you have children?

Because if you did then you know as a parent you want them to be more successful than you were and have all the privileges you can provide for them to do that. No Parent thinks, damn I want my kid to struggle and I won't do shit to help them, every parent wants their kids to have a better life and be more successful than they were.

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Response to dilby (Reply #101)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:12 PM

112. uh huh

And yet how much internet ink is spilled here at DU complaining about the fact the 1% has built an insulated aristocracy. Here you are, admitting that this is exactly what happens and yet then implying that if we vote for Hillary -- who you just said has done this very thing -- she will in some way change the rules that insulate the patronage, corruption, nepotism and materialist greed.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #112)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:21 PM

122. My mother barely finished High School.

She worked nights at a Waffle House when I was in Elementary school to put food on the table for 3 kids and herself through beauty school. She cuts hair for a meager living now and she is damn proud that all 3 of her kids went to college and take home annual salaries that would take her 5 years to make. For my mom us kids are the 1% because we came from absolute poverty to secure upper middle class lives and I want my kids to do better than I did. I had to go to a State College while my kids will hopefully attend Ivy League schools, I worry about investments and retirement, I want my kids to not have to worry about any of that and be setup. I don't want my kids to be spoiled brats but I would be proud of any of my kids if they turned out like Chelsea.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:10 PM

109. That's ridiculous

Haven't read anything as petty and irrational in a long time. Chelsea Clinton is extremely intelligent, articulate, well-mannered, and, for all I can tell, a really decent person.

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Response to Brainstormy (Reply #109)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:14 PM

116. I'm sure she's a swell person but she's been showered with millions to buy access to mother.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:10 PM

110. K & R plus 1000000000000000000000

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:16 PM

117. such an incredibly dumb post. nt

 

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:16 PM

118. There are a myriad of good reasons for opposing Hillary. This ain't one of them. n/t

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:18 PM

120. I can think of LOTS of words for that besides 'Chelsea'.

 

Maybe I will make a list one day.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:19 PM

121. This might be so bad it actually unites DU

You took it just a step too far, there. You needed to reign it in a little. Rookie mistake.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:25 PM

126. Absolutely ridiculous. Who cares why you won't vote for her! nt

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:26 PM

127. 5 reasons why vote for Hillary

 

Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, Kennedy (hopefully 2020 I will have 4 or less reasons)

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:27 PM

128. huh/nt

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:27 PM

129. I'm sure the hungry, sick, poor, unemployed, dreamers, elderly...

(and everyone else that will suffer in a republican administration) will understand that you didn't vote for Hillary because "Chelsea".

I'm sure they'll thank you.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:29 PM

130. I think your main point is that the 1% expect something from Hillary, if she becomes POTUS.

With that, I agree. The 1% expect quite a bit from every POTUS. And, while they may not get as much s they want, they usually do get quite a bit from every President.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:30 PM

133. You should have stopped with one word

Who blames the kid?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:31 PM

135. wow--the animosity you display towards this woman is, to say the least, a bit over the top, and, it

sounds VERY personal.

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Response to niyad (Reply #135)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:37 PM

142. A rejection of greed, nepotism, patronage, insularity, undue excess, aristocracy -- but not persnal.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #142)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:43 PM

145. whatever lets you sleep at night.

have you posted similar about the bush twins? or the romney tribe? perhaps I just missed them.

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Response to niyad (Reply #145)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:48 PM

152. Which member of the Bush and Romney families is a Democratic nominee?

But thanks for proving my point that Hillary would just be more of the same. I guess the question then becomes: how do you sleep knowing that?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #142)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:19 PM

177. These are all valid criticisms. Dynasties suck.

I more than understand a reluctance to vote for a popular Democrat--but not the willingness to throw an election to a different dynasty or two. I'm not there.

Yet.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:36 PM

140. I disagree, kids and spouses should be left out of this debate.

Lots of kids take advantage of their parents jobs or connections. I don't like it any better than anyone else but it happens all the time, and believe it or not Democrats do it. I don't blame Hillary for helping her daughter.

I'm not "flaming you" just disagreeing. Lots of reasons not to vote for Hillary other than this one.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #140)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:38 PM

143. Chelsea, fresh out of college, would have to been managing $3BN in assets.

She wasn't a hedge fund manager, she was the bagman for those wanting access to Hillary.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:37 PM

141. There's nothing wrong with making the best of one's opportunities.




As to whether there is anything wrong in specific instances is a matter of personal perspective.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:44 PM

147. Were you dropped on your head at birth??

 

This is only anecdotal information and it's a few years old -- but -- in the late 1990's I worked for a non-profit organization in Central Appalachia the repaired and built homes for very-low income families. Church youth groups came from all over the country to volunteer.

Clinton was President and the family were members of Foundry United Methodist Church in DC. Chelsea came one summer as a volunteer with her church youth group. I was responsible for overseeing the work being done on homes in two counties and, as such, I encountered her youth group a few times. She was a typical teenager who was serious about what she was doing, well-like by the others, and impressive in the fact that she didn't expect any special treatment.

She graduated from high school with honors, went to Stanford on a scholarship, graduated from there after a program that combined classroom and real-world. She's well-read, traveled, and mature.

I maintain contact with people at Foundry; the Clinton's stop by there for services when they are in DC and the people I know there are unanimously Chelsea supporters because she's a good person.

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #147)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:46 PM

148. A good person who made $15 million fresh out of college in a business that MIGHT pay her 0.5%

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #148)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:54 PM

154. Comparing Old Redneck's personal testimony and your screed: you come across as jealous and bitter

You have no personal knowledge of this young woman's character, yet you condemn her with the same ferocity usually reserved for the elders of the Bush and Koch families.

You invited flames. This is not a flame.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #154)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:04 PM

163. No fresh-from-college grad gets to manage $3BN in assets. Let's not kid ourselves.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:58 PM

155. Yeah, wasn't it a shame when Jimmy Carter's Grandson ran for Governor of Georgia?

It's like there was a dynasty or something!

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:59 PM

156. Well, then. I'm convinced now.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #156)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:40 PM

197. I'll join you in your emoticon's hurling

This kind of attack doesn't sit right with me either.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:01 PM

159. Jeb says thanks. n/t

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Response to Orsino (Reply #159)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:06 PM

164. He'll be saying thanks even if Hillary wins. The aristocracy always protects its own.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #164)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:14 PM

174. Well, he might be saying thanks from a different office. n/t

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:02 PM

160. How shallow. (nfm)

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:02 PM

161. Do you believe that Hillary Clinton acts as she does because of favors shown to Chelsea?

 

You write:

They took care of Chelsea so Hillary would take care of them. There is no other rationale. This is bribe-by-proxy.


If I believed that Hillary had taken a bribe-by-proxy and delivered what was paid for, I'd be inclined to agree with you. But I don't believe that. I think that Hillary would take the same political positions (which I personally consider much too corporatist) even if Chelsea had entered a convent and renounced all contact with secular society.

You imply a causal link but I don't see the evidence for it.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #161)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:09 PM

165. Do you believe an MBA with zero work experience would be given $3 billion to manage because

they are just so awesome?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #165)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:43 PM

187. Those are different questions.

 

I'll be glad to answer your question: I wasn't aware of her being given $3 billion to manage, but I certainly agree with your general point that Chelsea Clinton has received advancement and favor because of who her parents are. Her gig at NBC is the notable example that I'm familiar with. If some hedge fund rocketed her over numerous applicants who were objectively more qualified, that wouldn't surprise me in the least.

My question, however, is about Hillary's decisionmaking, not about Chelsea's or NBC's or a hedge fund's. If Chelsea were in a convent and disdaining any favors traceable to her family lineage, do you think Hillary would be doing anything different in terms of policy or politics?

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #187)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:30 PM

196. "do you think Hillary would be doing anything different in terms of policy or politics?"

No.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:10 PM

166. IWR

IWR is my one word reason why I will NEVER vote for Hillary in a Democratic primary.

Well, it's actually an acronym for 3 words: Iraq War Resolution.

There are several reasons why Hillary is far from my preferred Democratic candidate for POTUS, but she failed my only unshakeable litmus test -- in Oct 2002 she voted to give GW Bush authority to invade Iraq.

That's a deal breaker for me, period.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #166)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:19 PM

192. I kinda agree

Then John Kerry and liberal hearthrob John Edwards did the same.

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Response to obnoxiousdrunk (Reply #192)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:44 PM

213. Joe Biden did too

I like Joe, but I can't support anyone in a Dem primary who gave Bush the green light to invade Iraq.

Here at DU we knew it was a pack of lies and that it would not be a cakewalk leading to a flowering of pro-American democracy.

A US senator who didn't know that is inexcusably incompetent. More likely they were on board with the agenda or were just going with the prevailing political winds at the time because it made them look "tough" on foreign policy.

That was when the Democratic Party -- and our country -- desperately needed strong leadership to stand up and put a stop to the catastrophe before so much blood and treasure was flushed down the drain.

I simply cannot excuse Hillary or anyone else who didn't at least make an effort to stop it.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:11 PM

169. Iraq

 

She voted for war, I'm not voting for her. It's that simple.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:11 PM

170. Wow. That was unexpected. In an unrelated note,

those Bush daughters have turned out pretty well. Involved and compassionate.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #170)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:14 PM

172. If they stay out of politics, ok. Even the rumors of Jeb running are sickening.

We're trading democracy for aristocratic dynasties.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:22 PM

178. What would Lincoln have thought?

Much to the embarrassment of the President, Mary Todd Lincoln prevented Robert Lincoln from joining the Union Army until shortly before the war's conclusion.[5] "We have lost one son, and his loss is as much as I can bear, without being called upon to make another sacrifice," Mary Todd Lincoln insisted to President Lincoln. President Lincoln argued "our son is not more dear to us than the sons of other people are to their mothers."


Food for thought

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:24 PM

179. I gave you a rec

While I am skeptical any dem is going to sit out an election rather than vote for Hillary, what you wrote about is one reason I don't want her in. The country is becoming more and more about making a few wealthy families even richer. And we have plenty here that are going to be excited and donate time and money to do it and then cry when there is a new free trade agreement or war or bailout or lack of justice.

The only families that matter are the well established rich politically connected ones. Not yours!

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:25 PM

180. I have also hit the post button when I shouldn't have.

 

Sometimes we have a thought that is stupid as fuck and the intellectual capacity to rethink and pull back on it. I have failed that second part before, just as you have here. Has still been great for a laugh. Maybe McCain will run again so you will get the first daughter you have more respect for.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #180)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:38 PM

185. For someone who appears to take umbrage with an OP decrying political dynasties it is peculiar

your only defense is to invoke yet another political dynasty.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #185)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:43 PM

188. Who is the other "political dynasy" I used as a defense? nt.

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #188)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:23 PM

194. John and Meghan McCain.

I know you weren't endorsing them but nonetheless I wish someone could tell me WHY Meghan is famous. She's as meritless as Chelsea and yet people trip over themselves to shower graces upon her. To what end? To get poppy's approval.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #194)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:27 PM

195. Once again, how would it be a political dynasy if McCain ran again.

 

It wouldn't in any way. Pretty clear I was only saying if McCain ran AGAIN, you would have a first daughter to fawn over. This is your criteria. Not mine, or apparently anyone else's.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:40 PM

186. I'll tell you in 1 word why I will.

 

Theocracy.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:20 PM

193. Edgy!...nt

Sid

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:43 PM

198. UNREC

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:55 PM

202. You're right. The Clintons are getting classic Tribute from the 1%....

 

We are supposed to be thrilled by it too.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #202)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:59 PM

205. And yet we get no rationale as to why we should embrace this sick system apart from

our aristocrats are better than their aristocrats.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:58 PM

204. Just like Jenna on the Today Show!

 

Only cuz she's a Bush!

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:00 PM

206. My guess the one word was "Bengazi". You know more will come out after she is our nominee.

 

That's my fear with all of this "it's already Hillary", and "only Hillary can win" stuff already going on. What about Bengazi? Whether or not there is more, people will hear about it and get sick of it, and just will not want her because they'll be so tired of hearing about it they won't care if it's true or not.

Let's really think about our primary choices...

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Response to TheNutcracker (Reply #206)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:07 PM

209. If it's dirt-digging they'll go all the way back to Whitewater and that time

she ordered a Merlot with fish. They won't pull skeletons out of the closet, they'll tear down the walls until there is no more closet. but that's kind of another issue.

The part that makes her unpalatable to Progressives is the largesse heaped on her and her progeny. From ridiculous speaking fees for boilerplate speeches to the ridiculous notion Chelsea could earn multi-millions fresh from MBA school the red flags scream patronage.

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Response to TheNutcracker (Reply #206)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 06:58 PM

222. You'll have to do better than that:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014949687

"they'll be so tired of hearing about it" is actually a more pathetic reason than "Chelsea has been successful". I've seen decent arguments against Hillary here, but yours and Nuclear Unicorn's aren't even laughable. They're wilted and limp.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:20 PM

210. I don't necessarily agree with this OP.

But I do hope to see every poster that is ripping the OP a new one show as much outrage next time someone disses Luke Russert's fast track to success.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:28 PM

211. This thread seems like something you might have heard in gradeschool; under

tones of envy.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:35 PM

212. My word would be...

 

Iraq

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:51 PM

215. Chelsea had every door opened to her, yet chose to be a hedge fund manager

 

Tells you all you need to know about her.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:33 PM

224. Congratulations!!!

This is absolutely the most ridiculous, hilarious, inane, convoluted, bitter, envy-filled, ROFL-worthy post Iíve ever seen on DU Ė and given some of the other stuff Iíve seen on this site over the years, the competition in all of those categories is pretty steep.

Itís a damned shame that the DUzy Awards have been abandoned, because this mindless diatribe would have qualified you for a Lifetime Achievement Award.

This post has all the intellectual depth of a Sarah Palin speech, all the tear-inducing drama of a Glen Beck interview, all the factual underpinnings of a Fox-News report, and all the impact of a blog that has been in existence since the dawn of the internet and still has zero views.

All I can say in response is


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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:03 PM

226. Not going to flame you. I'll just tell you that this is sad. (nt)

 

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:05 PM

227. unrec.

 

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:13 PM

228. I'll tell you why I wouldn't vote: Congress

You think Congress is completely ruthless and nasty to Obama? They'll be 100 times worse under Hillary.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:24 PM

229. Chelsea is a non issue in this world of crazy stuff we need to be talking about.

 

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:44 PM

230. TeaLeft nonsense.

 

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:45 PM

231. HDS

...that's about all there is to say about that.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:50 PM

233. She's the Caroline Kennedy of this generation.

 

Bloomberg was going to appoint Caroline to be Commissioner of Something-or-other in the city ED dept. Turned out she didn't have any qualifications. Or background. Or experience.

Then they wanted to airlift her into an open US Senate seat via appointment. I guess it was Clinton's seat, ironically enough.


Good god. What a system.


And these are the *Democrats*.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:29 PM

234. Agree with your premise, but I don't see it as a good enough reaso to put a Republican in the White

House

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:01 PM

236. huh/nt

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:03 PM

244. If you REALLY want an example of a sad, sick, diseased, cancerous system...

 

Imagine a world with no Franklin Roosevelt, Robert Kennedy, or Ted Kennedy.

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