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Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:19 PM

Racist, anti-black and pro-police factions are out to discredit the anti-abuse movement

By putting these two dead Brooklyn cops up as martyrs.

The lies against the movement have already started. Now ALL cops are being depicted as "brave heroes" under siege. The paranoia is flying for sure.

I pretty much expect cops to react with more violence and abuse now, they're looking for cover for any future incident where innocent and unarmed people are abused and killed at the hands of the police.

The anti-abuse movement still has no intention of resorting to reactionary violence itself. The killer of those two cops is not representative of that movement. The movement is about peace and justice, not retaliation.

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Reply Racist, anti-black and pro-police factions are out to discredit the anti-abuse movement (Original post)
MrScorpio Dec 2014 OP
YarnAddict Dec 2014 #1
Feral Child Dec 2014 #2
napkinz Dec 2014 #3
MrScorpio Dec 2014 #4
napkinz Dec 2014 #19
maced666 Dec 2014 #6
philosslayer Dec 2014 #5
MrScorpio Dec 2014 #7
philosslayer Dec 2014 #8
MrScorpio Dec 2014 #10
philosslayer Dec 2014 #13
MrScorpio Dec 2014 #17
philosslayer Dec 2014 #18
MrScorpio Dec 2014 #22
ohheckyeah Dec 2014 #27
daredtowork Dec 2014 #11
philosslayer Dec 2014 #12
daredtowork Dec 2014 #15
philosslayer Dec 2014 #16
daredtowork Dec 2014 #20
philosslayer Dec 2014 #23
daredtowork Dec 2014 #25
markpkessinger Dec 2014 #29
daredtowork Dec 2014 #30
etherealtruth Dec 2014 #9
KMOD Dec 2014 #24
daredtowork Dec 2014 #26
MrScorpio Dec 2014 #28
malaise Dec 2014 #14
ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #21

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:28 PM

2. There's a lot of them doing that right here, mrScorpio. n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:29 PM

3. Just think how FOX and Limbaugh will exploit this tragedy

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Response to napkinz (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:32 PM

4. Fox is in full pro-cop, anti-abuse movement drive at this very second

Limpbags, we're going to have to wait until Monday, when he comes down out of his weekend Oxy binge.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:09 PM

19. yep ... I just turned to FOX and they're blaming the anti-brutality movement

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Response to napkinz (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:43 PM

6. it exploits itself

 

Two murdered police officers. Needs no exploitation.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:37 PM

5. Its not ENTIRELY about peace and justice

 

And before you alert, I'm posting an NBC news article from 5 days ago. This isn't something I made up. The protest movement has internal problems that must be addressed. And some of the protesters clearly got what they wanted.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Eric-Garner-Manhattan-Dead-Cops-Video-Millions-March-Protest-285805731.html

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:48 PM

7. Police departments themselves have been known to insert agent provocateurs into protests

I suggest that it's all too possible that these alleged chanters are provocateurs themselves. At the very most they're angry and isolated elements.

But none of this means that they are representive of the entire anti-abuse movement.

What needs to happen is justice for the innocent victims of police abuse. What do say for them?

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:51 PM

8. I didn't say they were representative of the entire movement

 

Yet clearly they are a faction. And when they pop up again, they need to be immediately identified, reported, and repudiated.

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:54 PM

10. And would you also demand that officers who abuse face proper justice themselves?

Would you stand with the movement in peaceful solidarity against police abuse?

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:57 PM

13. Of course

 

Police officers who commit crimes should be punished.

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:06 PM

17. The problem isn't simply that police have committed "crimes"

Because their abuse and murder of innocent people has been repeated exonerated and excused under the authority of law.

The movement is working against the very fact that cops are abusing and murdering citizens and getting away with it.

That's why the names of Mike Brown and Eric Garner are central here.

So again, are you standing with those peaceful voices who are demanding justice for Garner, Brown and all the other victims of police abuse and violence?

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:09 PM

18. I am

 

I never said I wasn't.

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:14 PM

22. Thanks, I appreciate the fact that you're standing on the side of justice for Garner and Brown

And that means justice for all, citizen and police alike.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:39 PM

27. I get the feeling this OP was in part

directed at me. Nowhere did I say or suggest that the movement was to blame. There are plenty of angry people outside the movement.

I think all killings by the police should be handled by a special prosecutor and if appropriate prosecuted vigorously. If cops were convicted and sentenced to non-country club prison this shit would stop. They do it because they can and they should be scared of going to prison.

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:54 PM

11. On the other side of extreme FTP

Is extreme right wing "noise" that has been spamming protest info twitter feeds - posting stuff like the Scarface movie scene shooting up "communists" and tags of #policelivesmatter. There is so much of this vile gunk that it is hard for people who don't subscribe to Twitter (and thus can't block them) to sort through and get info about where protests are being held and such.

The matter has been polarized by the police - especially in the cities where the flashpoint incidents occurred like NY - taking a "you don't appreciate us for doing our jobs" approach instead of listening and making an effort to repair relations with the community.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/12/18/13000-sign-petition-urging-san-jose-police-to-oust-officer-for-controversial-tweets-about-protesters-sjpd-officer-phillip-white-chief-larry-esquivel-icantbreathe-blacklivesmatter-twitter/

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Response to daredtowork (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:56 PM

12. So on a day when two police officers were executed...

 

Your response is basically that "it's the cops fault". Thank you for your honesty.

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:01 PM

15. I'm saying the NYPD could have taken more steps to tone it down, yes.

The police union just announced they would be using "extreme discretion" in performing their duties. Sorry, but they've been whipping things up instead of working on resolving matters.

The murder of human beings is a terrible thing, whether they happen to be wearing a police uniform or not.

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Response to daredtowork (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:02 PM

16. So we can never "blame the victim"

 

Unless the victim is a cop?

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:12 PM

20. Keeeeeeeeep on trying to twist it

Do you support what this cop did?

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/12/18/13000-sign-petition-urging-san-jose-police-to-oust-officer-for-controversial-tweets-about-protesters-sjpd-officer-phillip-white-chief-larry-esquivel-icantbreathe-blacklivesmatter-twitter/

That sort of thing - from a cop - whipped up the protests rather than resolved things.

It is a tragedy the deranged man killed 2 NYPD cops.

It is a tragedy NYPD cops killed Eric Garner.

Eye for an eye is not justice. Both are tragedies.

The NYPD could have done things to reduce the chances of the tragedy that happened to them, but they chose not to.

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Response to daredtowork (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:15 PM

23. So, to follow your logic, and reasoning

 

Eric Garner could have done some things to reduce the chances of what happened to him. And Michael Brown could have done some things to reduce the chances of what happened to HIM. Is that what you're saying?

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:19 PM

25. Neither had weeks have civil actions and public calls addressed to them

The NYPD were hardly caught be surprise.

However, those two officers were caught by surprise in their car because the NYPD maintained a hostile stand off instead of working on reconciliation.

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Response to daredtowork (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:51 PM

29. I think both you and philosslayer need to slow your roll a bit here . . .

. . . This guy's primary intent was pretty clearly a murder-suicide of his girlfriend and himself. We honestly have no way of knowing -- with or without the alleged Instagram message -- whether he would have carried out such an act regardless of the NYPD's hostile attitude. It is, I believe, just as wrong to imply, in this particular case, that the NYPD "brought this on themselves" as it is to suggest the shooter's true motive can be drawn from an alleged Instagram message.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:31 PM

30. I agree

What I was trying to say was being twisted and pulled in that direction by the "interrogation", but I certainly don't believe that NYPD got their just desserts. No one deserves to die, no matter what the circumstance. This shooter was clearly deranged - this is more along the lines of John Hinkley, Jr. shooting Reagan in the name of Jodie Foster.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:53 PM

9. Horror at both types of atrocities are not mutually exclusive ....

...but, yeah ... every inbred knuckle dragging, "law and order" type will/is out trying to discredit the anti police brutality/murder race profiling movement.

As human beings we can feel horrified by both police brutality/ murder and the killing of cops ... its easy its called human compassion

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:19 PM

24. + 1,000,000

 

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:27 PM

26. This is bad enough to be the new Benghazi

Obama will be called for not bringing in the National Guard soon enough. The timeline for the "reactionary backlash" of the New Civil Rights Movement may have just been sped up a great deal.

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:42 PM

28. Damn Skippy nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:58 PM

14. Ding ding we have a winner

Fugg 'em.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:12 PM

21. Of course they are.

Let me tell you a ironic story; I live in Seattle. We were having incidents of excessive police force against people of color, one flat out murder of a emaciated, alcoholic Native American whose carvings have been around Seattle for over 30 years. Very well known to the police.

The Seattle police department gets investigated by the Feds

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/27/justice/justice-department-seattle-police/

Look at this paragraph

The Seattle settlement comes just days after the Justice Department announced a much broader deal with the city of New Orleans to try to root out deep-seated corruption in its police department.
The Justice Department Civil Rights Division still has 15 other "pattern or practice" investigations of police departments pending. The largest is Puerto Rico. Most of the others deal with small cities. A suit against Maricopa County, Arizona, alleging discrimination against Latino suspects is currently being challenged in a federal court.



And so what happens from this? Did police relations improve? Or did police depts.get angry at so-called "political correctness" and NOT address internal racism? Police are sporadically doing feel good, good deeds, I applaud that. Pictures of white cops doing nice things for black folk all over Facebook.

What they are not doing is saying "we have a problem with racism, and these are the steps we are taking to fix it, because we understand the seriousness of this issue, and fully acknowledge the part we play in perpetuating it" and until a problem is fully acknowledged and owned, it will never be properly addressed with workable solutions-- settlements with the federal government notwithstanding.


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