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Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:21 PM

 

The NYPD is disrespectful to our elected leaders and needs to be reined in

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Let them go on strike. Let's see if the public backs them.

A big clean sweep of the NYPD Union is needed.

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Reply The NYPD is disrespectful to our elected leaders and needs to be reined in (Original post)
TerrapinFlyer Dec 2014 OP
hrmjustin Dec 2014 #1
Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #2
chickenfairy Dec 2014 #3
BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #12
2naSalit Dec 2014 #25
Deny and Shred Dec 2014 #13
Cha Dec 2014 #20
DeadLetterOffice Dec 2014 #14
Cha Dec 2014 #17
Name removed Dec 2014 #19
Cha Dec 2014 #26
Long Drive Dec 2014 #27
Hissyspit Dec 2014 #35
Long Drive Dec 2014 #22
Rex Dec 2014 #30
CatWoman Dec 2014 #31
Hissyspit Dec 2014 #33
rhett o rick Dec 2014 #34
lovemydog Dec 2014 #37
cherokeeprogressive Dec 2014 #4
Lint Head Dec 2014 #5
Sweeney Dec 2014 #7
KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #15
Sweeney Dec 2014 #21
Sweeney Dec 2014 #6
cwydro Dec 2014 #8
TerrapinFlyer Dec 2014 #23
cwydro Dec 2014 #39
Downwinder Dec 2014 #9
jwirr Dec 2014 #10
DeadLetterOffice Dec 2014 #11
TerrapinFlyer Dec 2014 #28
branford Dec 2014 #36
reimaginethis Dec 2014 #38
starroute Dec 2014 #40
blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #16
Cha Dec 2014 #18
Cha Dec 2014 #24
bluestateguy Dec 2014 #29
jimlup Dec 2014 #32
Lucky Luciano Dec 2014 #41
brooklynite Dec 2014 #42

Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:27 PM

1. The city can't do anything about the union leadership but the can make them have to work a

 

full shift everyday. At this point the PBA leadership has to work a few days a week, and the mayor could order them to work a full day.

The mayor will not do this but it is an option.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:29 PM

2. It's illegal for the NYPD to go on strike.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:29 PM

3. I am the NYC public

 

And I would back them. De blasio needs to step down.

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:54 PM

12. Bwah!

Right on cue!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:30 PM

25. ...

aint it the truth?

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:54 PM

13. I was wondering which individual was the NYC public

You and your 6 posts speak for not only NYC but all of the world. When YOU say he needs to step down, its like you are EF Hutton and we'd be foolish not to listen.



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Response to Deny and Shred (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:26 PM

20. But, not telling us WHY he needs to "step down".

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:56 PM

14. Thank you for your jury service...

I am the NYC public
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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:19 PM

17. Mayor de Blasio needs to "step down".. why? Please enlighten us with your reasoning.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:31 PM

26. Why do you think Mayor de Blasio "needs to step" down?

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Response to Name removed (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:31 PM

27. bff's already

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:10 PM

35. Not that you have any good reason to.

You just do.

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:29 PM

22. WTF? Really that is the best you have?

 

Try again.

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:43 PM

30. So you support a group of police officers that disrespect their own dead to make a point?

 

Food for thought.

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:52 PM

31. bok, bok

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:09 PM

33. Cause you are a quacking-in-your-boots authoritarian sheep?

Just asking for clarification.

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:10 PM

34. Care to explain? nm

 

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:03 AM

37. Wow - they named a library for you.

Congratulations! But I think the police who turned their backs at the funeral were incredibly disrespectful toward the people of NYC. I like your library though.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:31 PM

4. I'm ALL FOR a Blue Flu in NYC.

 

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:34 PM

5. It would be a good first step. There needs to be a paradigm shift

within the policing power structure otherwise there will be further degradation of the rights of public gathering and the protection of private citizens. We will be suppressed by the police wearing the uniforms of fascism. Corporately owned by the very 1% who manufacture the weapons they use along with special protection because, let's say...they're "special".

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:43 PM

7. When the government, when the law establishment, when the police

defend the privileges of church and property it is a case of privilege defending privilege. Where are the unprivileged people to go other than to each other for a fair hearing of their cause?

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Response to Sweeney (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:03 PM

15. You should consider building this post out into a longer original post of its own. All but the

 

most hard-core anarchists accept the need for some type of constabulary force. The question. as always, is whence that constabulary's legitimacy derives.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:26 PM

21. In a democracy the people are the law.

To attack the people is to attack the law.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:39 PM

6. Police power is a privilege.

At a minimum the people have the right to demand their rights and respect in return. These people are not enforcing law as some sort of abstraction. Law is right, and right is right to people, if not according to legal gibberish.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:45 PM

8. Reined, not reigned.

but I think things need to change.

On several levels.
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Response to cwydro (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:29 PM

23. thank you for pointing out the typo

 

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:07 AM

39. Sorry

pet peeve.

We all make typos.
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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:45 PM

9. You are seeing their good behavior.

I don't know if you want to see their bad behavior.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:48 PM

10. If they think for one minute this is the way to gain respect from the people then they are very

mistaken. This little stunt is despicable. Grow up officers.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:52 PM

11. "disrespectful to our elected leaders" -- ???

So am I. So is damn near everyone on this board, when said elected leaders happen to be Republican.

There's plenty of legitimate stuff to smack them for -- "disrespecting our leader" sounds a wee bit too name-the-dictatorship-of-your-choice to me.

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Response to DeadLetterOffice (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:34 PM

28. No, when you are a member of ANY police department -- you follow the orders of the elected leaders.

 

This is not a free-for-all, individual do NOT get to choose how the organization operates.

It's called insubordination.

If the police want to express their PERSONAL opinions as citizens, let them do it OUT OF UNIFORM.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:19 PM

36. That's not the way it works,

 

and there is an entire body of law on the subject. The police are not the military, and they do not lose their rights just because they wear a uniform.

Also note that the police are employed by the city, not the mayor. The police also answer to the police commissioner, not the mayor.

The police are public employees like any other. They have broad first amendment and other constitutional rights, are governed primarily by a collective bargaining agreement, and are protected by a number of other federal, state and city labor laws.

Their job is to enforce and uphold the law, not offer political support to the mayor. They are generally permitted to "disrespect" him, and any order which demanded otherwise would unlawful.



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Response to branford (Reply #36)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:14 AM

40. You've got it pretty twisted

For one thing, "The Commissioner is appointed by the Mayor, and serves at the Mayor's pleasure." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Commissioner) So the mayor has every right to demand that the police commissioner keep his own forces in line as the price of retaining his position.

For another, this is hardly a case of free speech or of not offering "political support to the mayor." This is about a group of public servants abusing their uniforms to demand that a mayor elected with overwhelming popular support resign because they don't like his orders that they tone down stop and frisk and not smash in the heads of protesters.

Every government operates on a fine balance of legitimate authority and coercive force -- but it's not an even balance, because the coercive force becomes no better than mob rule without that authority to back it up. The NYPD is rejecting legitimate authority and attempting to institute rule by raw power in its place. And that is a threat to the very foundations of democratic government.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:16 PM

16. Shame on those cops. Shame, shame, shame.

 

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:24 PM

18. The NYPD Showed NO Respect for Authority Today.. yet..

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:30 PM

24. NYPD demanded #BlackLivesMatter protesters suspend their protests; yet they politicize a funeral.


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NYPD demanded #BlackLivesMatter protesters suspend their protests; yet they politicize a funeral.

Shameful.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:40 PM

29. The first step is to stop police union thuggery

Support real unions, which has nothing to do with police (or millionaire pro ballplayers, for that matter).

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:54 PM

32. Their action should be denounced as illegitimate by every responsible voice in this country

That it won't be speaks volumes about us and our culture.

Turn it around and imagine the condemnation it would recieve.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:20 AM

41. I grew up in Westchester county. The HS people I know on facebook

...seem to overwhelmingly support the police.

Of course...it is a white town...and one of the few towns in Westchester that is not rich - so a lot if police officers lived there.

Got into an argument with an ignorant fool on FB that became a cop in my hometown who was referring to Michael brown as a thug etc...usual talking points...then she posted photos of dead cops asking when I would protest for them...even though their killers are most likely dead or in prison...a lot of ignorance. This fool threw all credibility out the window when she said this is a racist country against whites.

That woman is probably a typical cop in today's America.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:24 AM

42. The DU blogosphere is not "the public"

I suspect you'd find most people would either support the police or not choose sides between the police and the Mayor.

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