Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:21 PM

TerrapinFlyer (277 posts)

The NYPD is disrespectful to our elected leaders and needs to be reined in

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Let them go on strike. Let's see if the public backs them.

A big clean sweep of the NYPD Union is needed.

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The NYPD is disrespectful to our elected leaders and needs to be reined in (Original post)	TerrapinFlyer	Dec 2014	OP
The city can't do anything about the union leadership but the can make them have to work a	hrmjustin	Dec 2014	#1
It's illegal for the NYPD to go on strike.	Nye Bevan	Dec 2014	#2
I am the NYC public	chickenfairy	Dec 2014	#3
Bwah!	BumRushDaShow	Dec 2014	#12
...	2naSalit	Dec 2014	#25
I was wondering which individual was the NYC public	Deny and Shred	Dec 2014	#13
But, not telling us WHY he needs to "step down".	Cha	Dec 2014	#20
Thank you for your jury service...	DeadLetterOffice	Dec 2014	#14
Mayor de Blasio needs to "step down".. why? Please enlighten us with your reasoning.	Cha	Dec 2014	#17
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Dec 2014	#19
Why do you think Mayor de Blasio "needs to step" down?	Cha	Dec 2014	#26
bff's already	Long Drive	Dec 2014	#27
Not that you have any good reason to.	Hissyspit	Dec 2014	#35
WTF? Really that is the best you have?	Long Drive	Dec 2014	#22
So you support a group of police officers that disrespect their own dead to make a point?	Rex	Dec 2014	#30
bok, bok	CatWoman	Dec 2014	#31
Cause you are a quacking-in-your-boots authoritarian sheep?	Hissyspit	Dec 2014	#33
Care to explain? nm	rhett o rick	Dec 2014	#34
Wow - they named a library for you.	lovemydog	Dec 2014	#37
I'm ALL FOR a Blue Flu in NYC.	cherokeeprogressive	Dec 2014	#4
It would be a good first step. There needs to be a paradigm shift	Lint Head	Dec 2014	#5
When the government, when the law establishment, when the police	Sweeney	Dec 2014	#7
You should consider building this post out into a longer original post of its own. All but the	KingCharlemagne	Dec 2014	#15
In a democracy the people are the law.	Sweeney	Dec 2014	#21
Police power is a privilege.	Sweeney	Dec 2014	#6
Reined, not reigned.	cwydro	Dec 2014	#8
thank you for pointing out the typo	TerrapinFlyer	Dec 2014	#23
Sorry	cwydro	Dec 2014	#39
You are seeing their good behavior.	Downwinder	Dec 2014	#9
If they think for one minute this is the way to gain respect from the people then they are very	jwirr	Dec 2014	#10
"disrespectful to our elected leaders" -- ???	DeadLetterOffice	Dec 2014	#11
No, when you are a member of ANY police department -- you follow the orders of the elected leaders.	TerrapinFlyer	Dec 2014	#28
That's not the way it works,	branford	Dec 2014	#36
This message was self-deleted by its author	reimaginethis	Dec 2014	#38
You've got it pretty twisted	starroute	Dec 2014	#40
Shame on those cops. Shame, shame, shame.	blkmusclmachine	Dec 2014	#16
The NYPD Showed NO Respect for Authority Today.. yet..	Cha	Dec 2014	#18
NYPD demanded #BlackLivesMatter protesters suspend their protests; yet they politicize a funeral.	Cha	Dec 2014	#24
The first step is to stop police union thuggery	bluestateguy	Dec 2014	#29
Their action should be denounced as illegitimate by every responsible voice in this country	jimlup	Dec 2014	#32
I grew up in Westchester county. The HS people I know on facebook	Lucky Luciano	Dec 2014	#41
The DU blogosphere is not "the public"	brooklynite	Dec 2014	#42

Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:27 PM

hrmjustin (71,265 posts)

1. The city can't do anything about the union leadership but the can make them have to work a

full shift everyday. At this point the PBA leadership has to work a few days a week, and the mayor could order them to work a full day.

The mayor will not do this but it is an option.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:29 PM

Nye Bevan (25,406 posts)

2. It's illegal for the NYPD to go on strike.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Law

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:29 PM

chickenfairy (33 posts)

3. I am the NYC public

And I would back them. De blasio needs to step down.

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:54 PM

BumRushDaShow (76,416 posts)

12. Bwah!

Right on cue!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:30 PM

2naSalit (48,105 posts)

25. ...

aint it the truth?

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:54 PM

Deny and Shred (1,061 posts)

13. I was wondering which individual was the NYC public

You and your 6 posts speak for not only NYC but all of the world. When YOU say he needs to step down, its like you are EF Hutton and we'd be foolish not to listen.

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Response to Deny and Shred (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:26 PM

Cha (269,280 posts)

20. But, not telling us WHY he needs to "step down".

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:56 PM

DeadLetterOffice (1,352 posts)

14. Thank you for your jury service...

I am the NYC public
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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:19 PM

Cha (269,280 posts)

17. Mayor de Blasio needs to "step down".. why? Please enlighten us with your reasoning.

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Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:31 PM

Cha (269,280 posts)

26. Why do you think Mayor de Blasio "needs to step" down?

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Response to Name removed (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:31 PM

Long Drive (105 posts)

27. bff's already

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Response to Name removed (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:10 PM

Hissyspit (45,783 posts)

35. Not that you have any good reason to.

You just do.

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:29 PM

Long Drive (105 posts)

22. WTF? Really that is the best you have?

Try again.

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:43 PM

Rex (65,616 posts)

30. So you support a group of police officers that disrespect their own dead to make a point?

Food for thought.

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:52 PM

CatWoman (75,496 posts)

31. bok, bok

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:09 PM

Hissyspit (45,783 posts)

33. Cause you are a quacking-in-your-boots authoritarian sheep?

Just asking for clarification.

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:10 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

34. Care to explain? nm

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Response to chickenfairy (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:03 AM

lovemydog (11,833 posts)

37. Wow - they named a library for you.

Congratulations! But I think the police who turned their backs at the funeral were incredibly disrespectful toward the people of NYC. I like your library though.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:31 PM

cherokeeprogressive (24,853 posts)

4. I'm ALL FOR a Blue Flu in NYC.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:34 PM

Lint Head (15,064 posts)

5. It would be a good first step. There needs to be a paradigm shift

within the policing power structure otherwise there will be further degradation of the rights of public gathering and the protection of private citizens. We will be suppressed by the police wearing the uniforms of fascism. Corporately owned by the very 1% who manufacture the weapons they use along with special protection because, let's say...they're "special".

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:43 PM

Sweeney (505 posts)

7. When the government, when the law establishment, when the police

defend the privileges of church and property it is a case of privilege defending privilege. Where are the unprivileged people to go other than to each other for a fair hearing of their cause?

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Response to Sweeney (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:03 PM

KingCharlemagne (7,908 posts)

15. You should consider building this post out into a longer original post of its own. All but the

most hard-core anarchists accept the need for some type of constabulary force. The question. as always, is whence that constabulary's legitimacy derives.

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:26 PM

Sweeney (505 posts)

21. In a democracy the people are the law.

To attack the people is to attack the law.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:39 PM

Sweeney (505 posts)

6. Police power is a privilege.

At a minimum the people have the right to demand their rights and respect in return. These people are not enforcing law as some sort of abstraction. Law is right, and right is right to people, if not according to legal gibberish.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:45 PM

cwydro (42,194 posts)

8. Reined, not reigned.

but I think things need to change.

On several levels.

This is the DU member formerly known as cwydro.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:29 PM

TerrapinFlyer (277 posts)

23. thank you for pointing out the typo

eom

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:07 AM

cwydro (42,194 posts)

39. Sorry

pet peeve.

We all make typos.

This is the DU member formerly known as cwydro.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:45 PM

Downwinder (12,869 posts)

9. You are seeing their good behavior.

I don't know if you want to see their bad behavior.

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Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:48 PM

jwirr (39,215 posts)

10. If they think for one minute this is the way to gain respect from the people then they are very

mistaken. This little stunt is despicable. Grow up officers.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:52 PM

DeadLetterOffice (1,352 posts)

11. "disrespectful to our elected leaders" -- ???

So am I. So is damn near everyone on this board, when said elected leaders happen to be Republican.

There's plenty of legitimate stuff to smack them for -- "disrespecting our leader" sounds a wee bit too name-the-dictatorship-of-your-choice to me.

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Response to DeadLetterOffice (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:34 PM

TerrapinFlyer (277 posts)

28. No, when you are a member of ANY police department -- you follow the orders of the elected leaders.

This is not a free-for-all, individual do NOT get to choose how the organization operates.

It's called insubordination.

If the police want to express their PERSONAL opinions as citizens, let them do it OUT OF UNIFORM.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:19 PM

branford (4,462 posts)

36. That's not the way it works,

and there is an entire body of law on the subject. The police are not the military, and they do not lose their rights just because they wear a uniform.

Also note that the police are employed by the city, not the mayor. The police also answer to the police commissioner, not the mayor.

The police are public employees like any other. They have broad first amendment and other constitutional rights, are governed primarily by a collective bargaining agreement, and are protected by a number of other federal, state and city labor laws.

Their job is to enforce and uphold the law, not offer political support to the mayor. They are generally permitted to "disrespect" him, and any order which demanded otherwise would unlawful.

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Response to branford (Reply #36)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:14 AM

starroute (12,977 posts)

40. You've got it pretty twisted

For one thing, "The Commissioner is appointed by the Mayor, and serves at the Mayor's pleasure." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Commissioner) So the mayor has every right to demand that the police commissioner keep his own forces in line as the price of retaining his position.

For another, this is hardly a case of free speech or of not offering "political support to the mayor." This is about a group of public servants abusing their uniforms to demand that a mayor elected with overwhelming popular support resign because they don't like his orders that they tone down stop and frisk and not smash in the heads of protesters.

Every government operates on a fine balance of legitimate authority and coercive force -- but it's not an even balance, because the coercive force becomes no better than mob rule without that authority to back it up. The NYPD is rejecting legitimate authority and attempting to institute rule by raw power in its place. And that is a threat to the very foundations of democratic government.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:16 PM

blkmusclmachine (16,149 posts)

16. Shame on those cops. Shame, shame, shame.

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Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:24 PM

Cha (269,280 posts)

18. The NYPD Showed NO Respect for Authority Today.. yet..

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Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:30 PM

Cha (269,280 posts)

24. NYPD demanded #BlackLivesMatter protesters suspend their protests; yet they politicize a funeral.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:40 PM

bluestateguy (44,173 posts)

29. The first step is to stop police union thuggery

Support real unions, which has nothing to do with police (or millionaire pro ballplayers, for that matter).

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:54 PM

jimlup (7,743 posts)

32. Their action should be denounced as illegitimate by every responsible voice in this country

That it won't be speaks volumes about us and our culture.

Turn it around and imagine the condemnation it would recieve.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:20 AM

Lucky Luciano (10,089 posts)

41. I grew up in Westchester county. The HS people I know on facebook

...seem to overwhelmingly support the police.

Of course...it is a white town...and one of the few towns in Westchester that is not rich - so a lot if police officers lived there.

Got into an argument with an ignorant fool on FB that became a cop in my hometown who was referring to Michael brown as a thug etc...usual talking points...then she posted photos of dead cops asking when I would protest for them...even though their killers are most likely dead or in prison...a lot of ignorance. This fool threw all credibility out the window when she said this is a racist country against whites.

That woman is probably a typical cop in today's America.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:24 AM

brooklynite (68,705 posts)

42. The DU blogosphere is not "the public"

I suspect you'd find most people would either support the police or not choose sides between the police and the Mayor.

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