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Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 10:15 PM Dec 2014

Florida Crowd Forms Human Shield to Protect Man (from) Police

This past weekend in Delray Beach, Florida, dozens of people quickly organized to stop what they believed to be a petty and unnecessary arrest. That night, Delray Police entered a neighborhood after seeing a man walking down the street smoking. The officers thought the smoke smelled like marijuana, so they decided to pursue the man. When the man entered a home nearby, the police followed and tried to apprehend him. They were surprised when about 20 people came out of the home and surrounded the man to prevent the arrest from taking place.

“They formed this shield and started to get aggressive,” one of the officers said. “The next thing they know, there's 70 to 75 people out there,” another officer who was on the scene reportedly said. “The officers had to use pepper spray to get the people back.”

The crowd grew rowdy, and at some point an object was hurled at the windshield of a police cruiser. By the end of the night police had detained four people, on charges including inciting a riot.

The incident could foretell greater citizen intervention against what they perceive to be abusive and unnecessary policing and shows the urgency of reining in the over-criminalization of American life.


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/fed-florida-crowd-forms-human-shield-protect-man-police-try-arrest-smoking?akid=12639.187861.kJkdLQ&rd=1&src=newsletter1029578&t=2
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Florida Crowd Forms Human Shield to Protect Man (from) Police (Original Post) Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 OP
wow, they arrested 4 cops for inciting a riot? uppityperson Dec 2014 #1
Good. GGJohn Dec 2014 #2
Ya know, given the recent findings on pot & PTSD, Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #5
That's a goal worthy of looking into. GGJohn Dec 2014 #7
+1 nt Live and Learn Jan 2015 #10
+ another Scuba Jan 2015 #18
New law coming more than one person it is a riot PumpkinAle Dec 2014 #3
Air force? The police need drones! BillZBubb Jan 2015 #26
Reminds me of a trial in France, 100+ years ago, when Anarchists were the Terrorists . . . hatrack Jan 2015 #41
We need more of this. Much, much, more. (nt) NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #4
+1 Stellar Jan 2015 #38
'over-criminalization of American life.' - therein lies the root of the problem KG Dec 2014 #6
It's a great way of describing what's going on. n/t Oilwellian Jan 2015 #9
That Phrase Caught My Eye As Well n/t DallasNE Jan 2015 #11
This is one major reason BS MJ laws have got to go! workinclasszero Dec 2014 #8
Great post marym625 Jan 2015 #12
While I strongly believe that pot should be legal everywhere, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #13
How do you know the guy was breaking the law? BillZBubb Jan 2015 #28
Also not a good idea to let cops get away with murder. Rex Jan 2015 #32
Christ. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #14
Question authority? Never... randys1 Jan 2015 #27
When people feel they need to protect others FROM POLICE then shit has gotten thick uponit7771 Jan 2015 #15
The police want an "Us vs. Them" Mentality n2doc Jan 2015 #16
I'd hope Washington states new weed laws would be really great. One thing I wanted to see was brewens Jan 2015 #17
I'd like to see more of the same around other issues too NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #19
Wonderful post! n/t me b zola Jan 2015 #22
I was interested in finding out Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #20
Military equipment given to police sends them the message that they should be more militaristic. Maineman Jan 2015 #21
That and hiring ex military. BillZBubb Jan 2015 #29
It's coming... Javaman Jan 2015 #23
I have this bumper sticker Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #24
This is a commentary on politicians joeglow3 Jan 2015 #25
No the police were just being assholes. BillZBubb Jan 2015 #30
They wouldn't if politicians did their jobs. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #31
That makes ZERO sense. BillZBubb Jan 2015 #35
Like the time the local Deputy Dawg searched our canoe because he "smelled marijuana" . . . hatrack Jan 2015 #40
They could have easily pulled up along side him ZX86 Jan 2015 #36
The consensus on DU is cops are incapable of that joeglow3 Jan 2015 #39
No it is a clear commentary on police brutality, ooops people are fed up Rex Jan 2015 #34
Being A Cop Would Be So Much Easier StevePaulson Jan 2015 #33
police community relations got a lot worse when cash strapped local governments began using cops as de facto tax collectors tularetom Jan 2015 #37

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
2. Good.
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 10:29 PM
Dec 2014

Arresting someone for smoking MJ, in this day and age, is unnecessary.

The incident could foretell greater citizen intervention against what they perceive to be abusive and unnecessary policing and shows the urgency of reining in the over-criminalization of American life


I foresee this also as citizens grow more and more tired of the over militarization and aggressiveness of the police, sooner or later, and I think it's going to be sooner, the lid is going to come off of the boiling pot.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
5. Ya know, given the recent findings on pot & PTSD,
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 10:42 PM
Dec 2014

we ought to make legalization a veterans issue.

Personally, I've never joined any of the vets orbs except for DAV, mostly because of the politics. But if a bunch of us went out & joined the local chapters & actually went to the business meetings, I bet we could effectively take them over to the point of passing resolutions and putting out position papers.

How many VN vets have been sentenced for weed? How many of us actually smoked it? (I knew few who didn't.) In addition to maybe accomplishing the thoroughly worthwhile goal of legalization, we could start opening the discussion about other things, like who is supporting and who is opposing vets benefits. I think the answers would come as something of a surprise to many of the local VFW members. Maybe we could split a fair number of them off from the Republican rolls.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
7. That's a goal worthy of looking into.
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 10:54 PM
Dec 2014

For the longest times, the Vet. orgs. were dominated by WWII and Korean Vets, those of us who fought in Vietnam were looked down upon because of the perception that we lost the war, well, now it's our time, along with the other vets who follow us, and I'll bet that we could implement your suggestion and change the dogma of the orgs.

Just for the record, I never did drugs while in the military because of my MOS, but I didn't begrudge or rat out those that did, especially the ground pounders.

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
3. New law coming more than one person it is a riot
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 10:38 PM
Dec 2014

more than three...... OMG call in the air force for a strike.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
41. Reminds me of a trial in France, 100+ years ago, when Anarchists were the Terrorists . . .
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 12:50 AM
Jan 2015

During the trial, the prosecutor claimed that the accused had been seen talking with an Anarchist behind a lamppost.

To which the defendant responded "Where is 'behind a lamppost'?"

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
8. This is one major reason BS MJ laws have got to go!
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 11:33 PM
Dec 2014

It a big tool in law enforcements tool box to harass people with for no reason!

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
13. While I strongly believe that pot should be legal everywhere,
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 02:29 AM
Jan 2015

it's not a good idea to try to prevent the police arresting someone, even if you don't approve of the law that the person is being arrested for breaking. And throwing things at police cars is also generally not a good idea.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. Also not a good idea to let cops get away with murder.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 09:54 PM
Jan 2015

Average people pay attention. When they see that it pushes some of them over the line, as we see in this article. If only cops would be more responsible about rooting out criminals in their own profession, things like this wouldn't happen.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
14. Christ.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 08:54 AM
Jan 2015

Try going after actual criminals committing actual crimes instead of some random shmoe smoking a joint, and maybe this won't happen.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
16. The police want an "Us vs. Them" Mentality
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 11:16 AM
Jan 2015

They've got it. How long until people start to push for defunding and reducing the power of Police departments?

brewens

(13,574 posts)
17. I'd hope Washington states new weed laws would be really great. One thing I wanted to see was
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jan 2015

police no longer wasting time and resources on pot. I'd like to see them going after meth with all that money. It looked to me like the cops would still be spending a lot of time trying to catch people smoking illegally and driving while stoned.

 

NewDeal_Dem

(1,049 posts)
19. I'd like to see more of the same around other issues too
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jan 2015

Politicians in Washington and around the country refused to act as the stock market crash took an increasing toll on the livelihood of average workers. Instead of using the United States’ vast treasury to feed, clothe and house the millions of unemployed, the capitalist politicians resorted to vain tokenism and extolled “upright” citizens to donate to local charities and show sympathy toward the poor.

The Communist Party USA, whose program then included struggling for a socialist revolution, spearheaded an effort to organize the unemployed and fight back against the injustices incurred during the depression. Communists organized Unemployed Councils and led a vigorous struggle for a moratorium on evictions and direct aid to the dispossessed. The councils called marches and rallies and frequently occupied the offices of government agencies.

Two of the most effective tactics employed by the councils were eviction resistance and rent strikes. Rent strikes required a high degree of organization among tenants to secure widespread participation and to form committees to articulate demands and negotiate with landlords. Seven rent strikes were successfully organized in New York City during the last nine months of 1931 and many more occurred in New York and around the country throughout the decade.

Eviction resistance involved council militants physically moving the furniture of evicted tenants back into their apartments. Crowds would often gather and, under the direction of the Communist-led Unemployed Councils, workers would battle the police dispatched to enforce the eviction. Thousands of organized incidents of eviction resistance occurred throughout the Great Depression.

The Great Rent Strike War of 1932

One such incident to gain notoriety was the Battle of the Bronx and is detailed in Mark Naison’s “From eviction resistance to rent control: tenant activism in the Great Depression” (in “The Tenant Movement in New York City, 1904-1984”).

Naison points to a quiet section of the Bronx as the starting point for the Great Rent Strike War of 1932. There the Unemployed Councils led rent strikes at three different large apartment buildings in the early part of January.

The majority of tenants in each building withheld their rent and demanded a moratorium on evictions, reductions in rent prices and recognition of the tenants’ committee for bargaining purposes. Landlords responded with widespread evictions, especially targeted toward those leading the strike. Judges quickly approved the eviction notices.

The evictions were met with strong resistance when police and marshals attempted to force tenants from the buildings. Hundreds of protestors fought the police hand-to-hand and with sticks and stones when the officers would attempt to remove furniture from the buildings.

The outnumbered police barely held their line while waiting for reinforcements as the crowds battled them under the direction of Communist Party organizers. Reports from the New York Times indicate the women, who outnumbered the men, were the most militant, were more likely to battle the police and took the most arrests. In each case, huge numbers of foot and mounted police, marshals and moving men had to be dispatched. The capitalist court system assisted the landlords in attempting to break the strike by approving mass evictions and ordering injunctions against picketing.

The landlords’ counteroffensive won them a temporary reprieve, but by the winter of 1932-1933 the communists had strengthened the Unemployed Councils and a new firestorm of rent strikes spread across New York City and around the country. Organizers called hunger marches and sit-ins at state capitols, town halls, relief bureaus and on Washington.

The strikes, eviction battles and hunger marches proved a stunning success for unemployed workers. Landlords often agreed to significant reductions in rent and to slow the pace of evictions. Agencies such as the Home Relief Bureau were forced by the sit-ins and hunger strikes to dispense funds to the protestors for rent payment.

Rent control and public housing: a lasting legacy...

The unemployed workers’ movement had a lasting impact beyond the temporary victories obtained from landlords and relief agencies. The Unemployed Councils’ militancy forced the national and state governments to enact serious housing reforms, the twin pillars of which were rent control and public housing...

After almost a decade of rent strikes and eviction resistance, Congress passed the United States Housing Act of 1937. The act established a public housing program under the direction of the U.S. Housing Authority to provide loans to local agencies for the construction of low-rent housing. The USHA was the predecessor of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, which is supposed to ensure affordable housing today.

Rent controls were another response forced on the government by the militant demands for affordable housing...Right-wing attacks on these programs have been consistent throughout the decades. In the 1980s a vociferous conservative assault on progressive welfare programs ensued in the U.S. under the Reagan regime. As a result, many of the progressive elements of the housing legislation were watered down or removed...

However, there are signs that it is not just the crisis in capitalism that is repeating itself, but also the struggle against its inhumane tendency to force millions of families into homelessness during economic downturns.

In Massachusetts, a movement to stop evictions began in earnest at the start of the new year. Tenant activists, trade unionists, anti-war organizers and progressive local politicians joined together and successfully faced down a constable sent to enforce the eviction of a mother and children from their home.

In Detroit, the Michigan Emergency Committee Against War and Injustice, Detroit City Task Force and the United Community Housing Coalition have embarked on a campaign for a moratorium on new home foreclosures. Protestors rallied on Jan. 29 to pressure Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm during her annual State of the State Address.

As the mortgage crisis spreads, so will the movement for a moratorium. If this movement gains the sense of urgency, militancy and mass support that the Unemployed Councils of the 1930s did, then people’s history can repeat itself too.

http://www.workers.org/2008/us/anti-eviction_struggles_0221/

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
20. I was interested in finding out
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:19 PM
Jan 2015

whether this "smoker" was a white man. Why do I doubt that the police would bother if he was.

Maineman

(854 posts)
21. Military equipment given to police sends them the message that they should be more militaristic.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:38 PM
Jan 2015

Very bad idea.

Trained to be aggressive, taught that is them against the world, too many police departments have developed a sick culture. Serious need for reform!!!!!

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
29. That and hiring ex military.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 09:47 PM
Jan 2015

The military is trained for a purpose far more aggressive than policing should ever be.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
35. That makes ZERO sense.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jan 2015

Cops don't stop people for every minor infraction of the law. My guess is they wanted to use the "I thought I smelled MJ" routine to allow them to stop and search the guy. They were being authoritarian assholes. There is nothing in the law that says they have to be. They didn't have to try to stop that guy. They could have let it be. They had, at most, only a suspicion the guy was even smoking weed.

That has nothing to do with politicians.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
40. Like the time the local Deputy Dawg searched our canoe because he "smelled marijuana" . . .
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 12:47 AM
Jan 2015

"Smelled marijuana" that we weren't smoking (and didn't possess), from upwind, 100 yards away, outdoors, on a river in the middle of fucking nowhere in the Missouri Ozarks.

And this was 20 years ago - same bullshit today, just with heavier weapons and body armor.

ZX86

(1,428 posts)
36. They could have easily pulled up along side him
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 10:20 PM
Jan 2015

and said, "Hey put that out", and drove off. Which would have been an appropriate approach. This crime is equal to kids playing ball in the street IMHO and should bring the same kind of enforcement. Little to none.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
39. The consensus on DU is cops are incapable of that
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 11:43 PM
Jan 2015

As such, politicians need to take a more active approach.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
34. No it is a clear commentary on police brutality, ooops people are fed up
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jan 2015

with no oversight on law enforcement. Who could have imagined ordinary citizens would think such horrible things about cops? It's as if they watched TVEE and saw cops getting away with murdering people or something.

I guess the 'good cops' are going to have to grow up and take responsibility over their immoral peers that gladly break the law. Otherwise, expect more of this.

StevePaulson

(174 posts)
33. Being A Cop Would Be So Much Easier
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 09:56 PM
Jan 2015

If so many law abiding citizens didn't hate their guts.

Watching cops mace people for "protesting", like the students in CA
makes my "want a better future for my country" ass all pissed off.

The police are not protecting me as much as trying to extract money
from me though traffic tickets to pay for the stuff billionaires don't
pay for.

Sure they "protect" me from criminals, but if there was a little more
opportunity in this country, there wouldn't be hardly any criminals
to protect me from.

Jobs not prison.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
37. police community relations got a lot worse when cash strapped local governments began using cops as de facto tax collectors
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 10:37 PM
Jan 2015

Pass a lot of chickenshit little laws making everything in the world an infraction punishable by a fine just large enough to be annoying but too small to hire a lawyer and fight (all sorts of traffic violations, plus picky little crap like having a weedy lawn, an inoperable beater car in your driveway, or painting your house pink). And make sure these ordinances are aimed primarily at middle, working and lower class citizens.

Task the police department with the enforcement of these laws and make it clear that their budget depends on how much money they bring in.

In many smaller communities the revenue generated by this kind of stuff rivals or exceeds traditional sources like property or sales taxes. And of course the cops, as the collectors of the fines, come in for a lot of scorn and resentment from those who get targeted. Not to excuse the cops, many of them seem to take pleasure in being assholes in the performance of their duties.

It's actually pretty clever, the politicians can raise taxes (which voters hate) under the guise of fighting crime (which they love).

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