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el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 05:35 PM Jan 2015

Do you favor economic isolationism

There are a lot of good arguments to be made in favor of it. Our trade policies have shipped jobs over seas, and hurt the environment. Wealth in America has accrued to the very wealthy, and the standard of living in the US continues to drop, in part because we don't have manufacturing jobs anymore.

Bryant


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BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
1. It's complicated. I don't support so-called "free trade" agreements.
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 05:52 PM
Jan 2015

They are merely a way for corporations in high labor cost countries to get cheap labor elsewhere, then sell the goods back to the market they robbed of jobs. It is a race to the bottom on wages.

My position is not isolationist because I have no problem with fair trade, where reasonable wage levels are protected. So, it is somewhat protectionist, but not in the sense of protecting corporations or industries--just wages.

on point

(2,506 posts)
2. Isolationism is the wrong framing. Enforcing standards while engaging others is better.
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 05:55 PM
Jan 2015

That is not one of the choices, so I think this is a bogus push poll

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
3. There is an excluded middle between isolationism and corporate rule.
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 05:56 PM
Jan 2015

I'm in favor of levying tariffs on imported goods based upon the manufacturing country's environmental and labor laws, in order to help level the playing field for American workers.

on point

(2,506 posts)
11. ^^^^ 1000+! Severe tariffs and penalties so counter productive to skirt rules.
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:34 PM
Jan 2015

Eliminate race to bottom game by making it MORE expensive to avoid environmental, labor, child protection and tax the wealthy laws.

Try that game and it costs too much to sell in USA, or other advanced countries. Make it HURT.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
4. Economic isolationism is simply impossible at this point
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 05:59 PM
Jan 2015

as the industrial infrastructure in this country has been weakened beyond any fantasy of self support.

Ask yourself what a trade blockade of any duration would do. Oh, the US is still a major oil producer and we could deal with rationing. What we would find it extremely difficult to deal with is no replacement parts for our cars, more expensive food, running out of cloth (we don't make it any more) and shoes (we don't make them any more) while still producing raw materials we no longer have the ability to manufacture into usable goods. We would also run out of a lot of critical drugs and vaccines very quickly, our health system would be crippled.

A truly strategic thinker would say we need progressive taxes, confiscatory at extremely high income levels, and the only way to avoid them would be to invest in restarting strategic industries producing the basic goods we need to survive a blockade--or a war.

We will have to do this at some point because our country has been gutted. It's an empty shell guarded by a massive nuclear arsenal.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
5. I support economic independence and self-sufficiency.
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:25 PM
Jan 2015

Within that frame, I support free trade as a secondary priority. But the most important thing is to be immune to economic pressure, to be self-sufficient.

RunInCircles

(122 posts)
6. I support Balanced Trade
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jan 2015

No more courts attempting years after the fact to slap a wrist because somebody cheated and another American business was undercut. Tariffs would rise on products from a country until their is no more trade deficit with that country. Where we have a trade surplus we should help with medicine and food help small businesses in that country export goods to us until balance is achieved. Balanced trade is good for both parties. This oxymoronic concept of free trade is just race to the bottom in disguise.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
9. We're all human. There is one earth. There is little isolation any more.
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:52 PM
Jan 2015

It's our current religious and economic ideologies that fuck everything up.

Many of the "isms" are pretty rotten. Racism, nationalism, fascism, fundamentalism, capitalism...

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
12. In the words of Paul Krugman,
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jan 2015

"If there were an Economist's Creed, it would surely contain the affirmations 'I understand the Principle of Comparative Advantage' and 'I advocate Free Trade'."

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