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Omaha Steve

(99,576 posts)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:48 PM Jan 2015

Egg Prices Are Set to Spike, and Here’s Why It’s a Good Thing




Chickens won't necessarily be given wide-open pastures like this under California's new laws, but they'll have a little more room than they used to. (Photo: Getty Images)

California may push the rest of the country to treat egg-laying hens a little better.

December 29, 2014 By Shaya Tayefe Mohajer

TakePart News Editor Shaya Tayefe Mohajer is a journalist who has worked in many corners of the world for major news organizations.

On New Year's Day, your brunch may cost a bit more.

That's the price you'll pay when California's 15 million egg-laying hens have a bit of room to spread their wings after landmark animal-welfare laws are implemented Jan. 1 to abolish the close confinement of farm animals in crates and cages.

University of California, Davis, agricultural economist Dan Sumner tells The Los Angeles Times that prices for wholesale eggs are expected to rise 10 to 40 percent next year, as farmers compensate for the infrastructure upgrades and flock reductions to give the birds more space.

For decades now, industrial farms in the U.S. have crammed hens into 8-inch-square wire confinements, stacked together in a massive clucky clump that animal-welfare advocates say is cruel and conducive to disease—while farmers argue it's safe and a small price to pay for cheap, quality protein. California's new law allows cages but says farm animals must have enough room to "turn around freely, lie down, stand up, or fully extend their limbs."

FULL story at link. Also>>> Everything You Need to Know About Egg Labels: http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/04/03/understanding-egg-labels



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Egg Prices Are Set to Spike, and Here’s Why It’s a Good Thing (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jan 2015 OP
very happy with our state on this.... dhill926 Jan 2015 #1
They've doubled where I live. Good to know why. OregonBlue Jan 2015 #42
Nice for the chickens, horrible for the poor yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #2
well they will probably at least be getting more nutritious eggs. mopinko Jan 2015 #4
And possibly save on the medical care end of things. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #28
well, that's how i read it, but i sympathize mopinko Jan 2015 #31
We agree, and the challenge of providing quality nutrition is a war we're losing. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #33
Egg prices have been all over the planet here in SoCal, at least for a year... SoapBox Jan 2015 #7
Part of that was the drought Omaha Steve Jan 2015 #48
I have five chickens and the price of feed is through the roof Mojorabbit Jan 2015 #51
Through the roof? Aerows Jan 2015 #54
Organic laying mix and scratch. Mojorabbit Jan 2015 #56
Have you considered Aerows Jan 2015 #57
Do you have a link? Mojorabbit Jan 2015 #58
Here is more on the price swing Omaha Steve Jan 2015 #59
It's noise compared to transport costs Recursion Jan 2015 #10
Are you claiming that the poor actually eat eggs? hfojvt Jan 2015 #19
The poor always get the short end of the stick when prices rise quickly. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #34
There is a company working on a very cheap plant based egg replacer mucifer Jan 2015 #49
its a good law, and a real boon to the folks who do it right, mopinko Jan 2015 #3
Great minds think alike, lol missingthebigdog Jan 2015 #6
Wonder where the tipping point is? missingthebigdog Jan 2015 #5
Goats are easy too Aerows Jan 2015 #15
We have both missingthebigdog Jan 2015 #21
Goats are hilarious Aerows Jan 2015 #22
I am totally Pro-Goat. We need to elevate the Goat Profile. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #29
We really do Aerows Jan 2015 #43
I have chickens cwydro Jan 2015 #52
My niece is very enthusiastic about goats. hunter Jan 2015 #50
I do not know why Aerows Jan 2015 #53
when I was a kid in the 1970s hfojvt Jan 2015 #20
This tickled me :) Aerows Jan 2015 #44
Chickens are the easiest thing to have Aerows Jan 2015 #8
My fantasy later in life BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #11
Mine too Aerows Jan 2015 #17
Check it out BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #12
It's all fun until they start climbing on your car. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #25
It happened to me Kilgore Jan 2015 #26
Even worse if you provide them with their first experience with a rag top. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #40
Great news! Thanks for sharing. nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #9
I voted for this!!! roody Jan 2015 #13
Many homes raise their own up here in the Pacific Northwest Hulk Jan 2015 #14
chicago is getting downright lousy w chickens. mopinko Jan 2015 #32
Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Unknown Beatle Jan 2015 #16
We used to have Rhode Island Reds we kept it the back yard. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #18
Hey,,,, Cryptoad Jan 2015 #23
When being humane is considered "bad" you KNOW capitalism is evil. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #24
Egg prices have already spiked in PA meow2u3 Jan 2015 #27
We've been paying $2.50/dozen Worried senior Jan 2015 #30
Have no fear, egg buyers of America. dawg Jan 2015 #35
California is a huge market for other egg producing States and they have to meet CA regs to sell Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #38
In that case, it might actually work. dawg Jan 2015 #39
Food should not be cheap, polly7 Jan 2015 #36
Great news, especially for hens. nt Zorra Jan 2015 #37
Glad I have my 5-hen flock! NickB79 Jan 2015 #41
We get our eggs locally ohheckyeah Jan 2015 #45
I get huge brown eggs Aerows Jan 2015 #46
That's what we get along with blue eggs. ohheckyeah Jan 2015 #47
Hawks are a problem Aerows Jan 2015 #55
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
2. Nice for the chickens, horrible for the poor
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:15 PM
Jan 2015

At least they have extra gas money to cover the increase. The poor never get a head. One step forward two steps back. So sad.

mopinko

(70,076 posts)
4. well they will probably at least be getting more nutritious eggs.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:44 PM
Jan 2015

at least the extra buck will get them a better product.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
28. And possibly save on the medical care end of things.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jan 2015

Big picture, Mo.

It's not about cost, it's about quality and getting back to simplicity.

I can't believe that anyone would suggest for even a minute that we should continue confining chickens two to a sheet of paper so that costs will be lower.

Please tell me that I'm misreading that reply.

mopinko

(70,076 posts)
31. well, that's how i read it, but i sympathize
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:57 AM
Jan 2015

eggs are a reliable, cheap source of protein for a lot of people.
but people who rely on them, especially, need that better quality egg.
and there is no doubt they will be better eggs.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
33. We agree, and the challenge of providing quality nutrition is a war we're losing.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jan 2015

I might think too hard about these things but there are constant reminders.

We all know how hard it is already for the underclass, the working poor, etc., to find nutrition that isn't drowning in fats and preservatives, any original nutrients removed by processing.
Local neighborhood markets replaced by mostly liquor stores that also carry food and drink.
And many folks get their goods there, not knowing any better or not having transportation, or both.
Even if they can get to a Food for Less, they're unlikely to select good produce and proteins, opting more for fast easy to prep foods.

The new trend around here are Dollar Trees, Dollar Stores, and Family Dollar Stores that carry an increasing number of food products in addition to the $1 crap.
I am certain that people are shopping almost exclusively there for their food.

And that is very frightening.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
7. Egg prices have been all over the planet here in SoCal, at least for a year...
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:04 AM
Jan 2015

It's been so weird and the new law wasn't even in effect.

We have seen and heard a couple of reports lately by egg producers...while they were whining, it also sounded like the think they can just jack up prices even more (as in price gouge for bigger profit) and blame it on the law.

We're endlessly amazed how big business seems to take well intended regulations and screw us even worse!

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
51. I have five chickens and the price of feed is through the roof
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 09:41 PM
Jan 2015

Mine have a huge pen and can't free range because of resident hawks. My husband used to say that my eggs were the most expensive in town when feed prices were factored in. LOL

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
54. Through the roof?
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:02 PM
Jan 2015

What are you feeding your girls?

And yes, hawks are an issue here, too. You can put a canopy over the yard very cheaply, though, and it also reduces other pests.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
56. Organic laying mix and scratch.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:07 PM
Jan 2015

I have 1 and a half acres and the hawks perch across from the chicken house and watch. They have a lot of room and I like not having to worry. I lost one many years ago to a hawk. Also have feral cats that showed up this past year. I have trapped one so far and adopted it out but have four more to go.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
57. Have you considered
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:10 PM
Jan 2015

a canopy that deflects the vision of aerial predators? It's cheap - a black thatch that you can put over where the chickens are, but it disrupts the hawks ability to snatch them because their vision is interrupted.

It may or may not work for you, but I've seen others that have had good results.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
58. Do you have a link?
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:19 PM
Jan 2015

They have a 10'x10' x8' foot house with three levels but I would like them to get more exercise. I did a quick search but did not come up with anything matching your description.

Omaha Steve

(99,576 posts)
59. Here is more on the price swing
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:50 PM
Jan 2015

http://www.omaha.com/money/california-animal-welfare-law-could-cause-higher-egg-prices-countrywide/article_4d805bf5-f644-5e7f-a4db-751a04b7c1a7.html

About 1/3 of the way down: Already, the specter of California’s regulations is believed to be contributing to record prices for eggs. The average wholesale cost of a dozen large eggs hit a peak of $2 on Thanksgiving Day — doubling in price from the start of November before settling this week to about $1.40. Higher prices come at a time when soaring meat prices are expected to help push U.S. egg consumption to its highest level in seven years.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
19. Are you claiming that the poor actually eat eggs?
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:53 AM
Jan 2015

Yuck.

"I still say that anything that eats eggs is a dragon" says the bird to Alice in Wonderland

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
34. The poor always get the short end of the stick when prices rise quickly.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jan 2015

We should have better SNAP benefits to address that. For everyone else though, the increase in the cost of eggs is trivial compared to other cost increases in recent years and reducing the use of battery cages is long overdue because it's absurdly cruel treatment of hens.

mucifer

(23,525 posts)
49. There is a company working on a very cheap plant based egg replacer
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 08:42 PM
Jan 2015

with the goal being better for the environment and cruelty and cheaper than eggs. If the chickens have twice as much space, they still can barely move.

mopinko

(70,076 posts)
3. its a good law, and a real boon to the folks who do it right,
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:43 PM
Jan 2015

and have to compete with those who dont.

and besides, it just might encourage more people to keep their own chickens. win win.

missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
5. Wonder where the tipping point is?
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:47 PM
Jan 2015

These new regulations will have no cost impact on producers who already free-range their hens. This should make smaller, local producers more cost competitive.

Chickens are pretty easy to raise. It is insane that eggs have to be shipped in from other states. Of all of the things that are ripe for a "eat local" campaign, eggs should be at the top of the list.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
15. Goats are easy too
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:42 AM
Jan 2015

Goat milk is nutritious, and has less lactose than cow milk so many more people can consume it.

missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
21. We have both
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:16 AM
Jan 2015

But I have found the goats to be a bit more challenging.... They are escape artists, and can go downhill fast when they get sick.

That being said, I am extremely pro-goat. I think any jurisdiction that does not prohibit dogs should not prohibit goats. They are quieter, cleaner, and keep the grass cut.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
22. Goats are hilarious
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:23 AM
Jan 2015

escape artists! I share your views, though. Dogs can be just as bad and far more destructive.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
29. I am totally Pro-Goat. We need to elevate the Goat Profile.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:35 AM
Jan 2015

I'm a farm boy- we raised and butchered our own chickens, had rabbits and turkeys from time to time but never goats.
I wish we had!



 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
43. We really do
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 03:58 PM
Jan 2015

I'm opposed to the saying "no more sense than God gave a billy goat" because frankly, they are extremely intelligent creatures. They can be a terror on cloven hooves if they aren't treated well, but if they are, goats will do just about anything to please you.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
50. My niece is very enthusiastic about goats.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 09:33 PM
Jan 2015

Our ancestors were strictly dairy and cattle people who looked down upon the goat herders, but we no longer live in their uncrowded world.

Goats eat damned near anything, even here in California poison oak growing under the eucalyptus trees, yet their milk still makes very tasty cheeses, more flavorful than any cheese made from cow's milk.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
53. I do not know why
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:54 PM
Jan 2015

their milk comes out so tasty, but it does, despite them eating plants that would kill a cow.

If you treat them well, they have good dispositions. Treat them badly, and well, you are in for it. Ignore them, and as others in the thread stated they will introduce themselves to your convertible.

They like attention. If they get enough of it, they are sweet as pie, and are actually weirdly defending of you, in their odd goat kind of way! Maybe it is a herd thing.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
8. Chickens are the easiest thing to have
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:10 AM
Jan 2015

beyond goats in an agricultural setting. Novices can have goats and certain breeds of chickens, have milk, eggs, and keep their hedges trimmed.

Australorps kind of rock .

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
11. My fantasy later in life
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:20 AM
Jan 2015

Goats and chickens and a big ass garden! Goat milk kefir and ice cream, mmmm. And pastured eggs put all others to shame!!!

Kilgore

(1,733 posts)
26. It happened to me
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 08:58 AM
Jan 2015

Went to see a friend who happens to have a few goats roaming the property. While we were inside, one of them decided to climb my car. It was quite the surprise to find a goat on your hood eating the rubber from your wipers!

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
14. Many homes raise their own up here in the Pacific Northwest
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:42 AM
Jan 2015

Maybe they do elsewhere? I am all for it. If it means eating a few less, or paying a bit more? Understand, I'm living off a pretty modest Social Security check and a half pension of about the same, and there isn't any "extra money" in my future. But I'd gladly pay a bit more for quality life and produce. I'd do without before I buy "Made in China", as much as possible. I hate buying beef that I have no idea where it came from, or poulty, or pork, etc. I'd rather buy local, and I plan to buy a quarter beef or half beef in the near future from a local farmer that I can trust doesn't treat their animals in torturous, inhumane ways.

Saying all that, I have my wife to contend with. She doesn't think twice about buying China. She can dig the animal change, however. It drives me nuts to think my beef comes from ONE plant on the east coast, and I eat the same scraps as the guy in Louisiana, North Dakota, Florida and every other corner of this country. It can't be that much more expensive to get local??

mopinko

(70,076 posts)
32. chicago is getting downright lousy w chickens.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:01 PM
Jan 2015

and many of the local anti-chicken laws have either fallen, or are being challenged.
i think it is happening in a lot of places.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
18. We used to have Rhode Island Reds we kept it the back yard.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:48 AM
Jan 2015

My dad built a big wooden chicken coop for the three hens and one rooster. They had the run of our big back yard. Never had to mow the grass and we had all the fresh brown eggs we could handle, even gave some to the neighbors for putting up with our rooster alarm clock. I can't imagine those chickens being confined to a 8 inch square cage.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
27. Egg prices have already spiked in PA
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:17 AM
Jan 2015

At the farmer's market across the street from me, brown eggs are now $2.69 a dozen, up from $1.89 last month.

Worried senior

(1,328 posts)
30. We've been paying $2.50/dozen
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jan 2015

for eggs for several years now and it is not a problem.

We also live on SS and a small pension but knowing we are getting humanely raised, farm fresh eggs is worth it to me. Jumbo eggs in the store are around $2.00/dozen and may be more now so I would much rather put the extra into decent food than not.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
35. Have no fear, egg buyers of America.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jan 2015

Georgia and Arkansas will be happy to pick up any slack. Both states (and probably others across the South) are happy to torture chickens for fun and profit.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
38. California is a huge market for other egg producing States and they have to meet CA regs to sell
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:17 PM
Jan 2015

them there. 6 States are currently suing CA over this law. CA has the upper hand. Largest egg consumer in the country.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
39. In that case, it might actually work.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jan 2015

Although the more likely outcome, in my opinion, will be a two-teared standard for eggs.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
45. We get our eggs locally
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jan 2015

from two different. One person has the Taj Mahal of chicken coops - both places the chickens are free range. They charge us $1.25 a dozen but my husband always gives them more. The eggs are fabulous with yolks that are dark orange and delicious.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
46. I get huge brown eggs
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jan 2015

know where they came from and have seen the birds. They are pretty happy if their glossy feathers are any indication.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
47. That's what we get along with blue eggs.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jan 2015

One person hasn't had many eggs lately because a hawk has been killing their hens.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
55. Hawks are a problem
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:05 PM
Jan 2015

You can put a canopy over the yard (not the whole yard, just where the chickens are). There are several varieties - some just to deflect the vision of aerial predators.

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