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This tweet nailed it about the NYPD..... (Original Post) Playinghardball Jan 2015 OP
beautiful - although i agree with the sentiment the creator of calvin really doesnt want his boy belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #1
Why not? Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #2
i believe he feels that it's disrespectful of calvins memory belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #8
Oh, well then of course ;~/ Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #13
thanks obama belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #19
whoever did it is probably infringing on the copyright. mopinko Jan 2015 #54
Bill Watterson has never licensed the images for anyone else to use gratuitous Jan 2015 #47
Political parody, notwithstanding I presume? DeSwiss Jan 2015 #51
You're not going to stop the peeing Calvins... Playinghardball Jan 2015 #9
Including the quote that you used Action_Patrol Jan 2015 #16
Or maybe I'm the one reading it wrong Action_Patrol Jan 2015 #18
Because, of course, in a Capitalist society everyone's integrity should be for sale. TalkingDog Jan 2015 #46
Is that what you will tell every union member TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #3
This isn't about union "negotiations". n/t R B Garr Jan 2015 #4
ones that are behaving poorly at being called out on their poor behavior in hurting uppityperson Jan 2015 #5
No - not every union member Kber Jan 2015 #6
Of course, they are going to deny it! TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #7
they did something similar to Giuliani GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #10
There's a time and place for such things. jeff47 Jan 2015 #11
Well, De Blasio Asked For It After Reappointing Laura Johnson TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #12
de Blasio asked for it, hunh? frylock Jan 2015 #22
beat me to it. LeftOfWest Jan 2015 #23
Yup. Low post count, too. closeupready Jan 2015 #49
Link? — and when I say link, I mean a reputable news source. Thanks in advance. Raine1967 Jan 2015 #26
here's one TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #28
That's a link to 2 links. Raine1967 Jan 2015 #31
It's a link to two CBS stories TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #35
You are aware that they are not turning their backs because of this Johnson, correct? Raine1967 Jan 2015 #39
I don't know enough about deBlasio to support him TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #41
Let me quote your words: Raine1967 Jan 2015 #43
Good night to you, too. TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #44
Thanks. 840high Jan 2015 #48
RW nonsense. BillZBubb Jan 2015 #34
Bullcrap. This is full blown horse manure. Raine1967 Jan 2015 #40
Is that what they're hiding behind now? Hutzpa Jan 2015 #14
That poster doesn't know what they are talking about. Raine1967 Jan 2015 #45
This isn't about union negations, and to be very honest if you think Raine1967 Jan 2015 #25
Yet another person who thinks using "union" as a chatter-word will help them pass on DU Scootaloo Jan 2015 #30
Yep. But it does seem to work on some people. BillZBubb Jan 2015 #36
Really? You fail to see a difference? Wow, scary. nt Logical Jan 2015 #42
It's what I would tell a police officer who is policing based on skin color, if their management jtuck004 Jan 2015 #50
We can only hope.... blackspade Jan 2015 #15
Nah they are happy to cash their taxpayer funded paychecks. /nt Ash_F Jan 2015 #17
Does the NYPD have a uniform code? gordianot Jan 2015 #20
Only US Military is subject to UCMJ One_Life_To_Give Jan 2015 #24
I looked it up NYPD does have a dress code when wearing a uniform, it does not address conduct. gordianot Jan 2015 #33
Exactly! ANd as Hartmann Said today Ferd Berfel Jan 2015 #21
IT's a fireable offense in the NYPD, that was how I interpreted it. Raine1967 Jan 2015 #27
Yeah! Do that! madashelltoo Jan 2015 #29
KanaAina also stated the obvious meme daredtowork Jan 2015 #32
The cops out to be turning their backs on the bad apples among them. BillZBubb Jan 2015 #37
Excellent.. I don't think they want to Protest.. that much. Cha Jan 2015 #38
K&R DeSwiss Jan 2015 #52
Exactly! Fucking chicken shit pigs!!! gopiscrap Jan 2015 #53
 

belzabubba333

(1,237 posts)
1. beautiful - although i agree with the sentiment the creator of calvin really doesnt want his boy
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jan 2015

drawn doing that kind of stuff

 

belzabubba333

(1,237 posts)
8. i believe he feels that it's disrespectful of calvins memory
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:30 PM
Jan 2015

ive been trying to find the quote but it started out " oh my poor boy .. it's hard to find he doesnt do interviews much and i havent been able to find it

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
13. Oh, well then of course ;~/
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:51 PM
Jan 2015

Once Calvin starts turning his back... or whatever...
the wrong message about insubordination will be
tangentially connected to a cartoon...
leading to the decline or law and order!
Thanks, Calvin

mopinko

(70,067 posts)
54. whoever did it is probably infringing on the copyright.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:01 AM
Jan 2015

matt groening labored mightily on the ones with bart. artists have to fight that sort of thing to keep their rights.
i agree w you.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
47. Bill Watterson has never licensed the images for anyone else to use
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 11:16 PM
Jan 2015

Which means that folks who produce those items are rip off trolls, first of all, and if they're selling the images, profiting off of someone else's work without that person's permission. While I'm not a fan of the perpetual copyright that the Disney corporation has managed to wangle for itself, basic courtesy should mean not stealing someone else's work, particularly when the artist is still alive.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
51. Political parody, notwithstanding I presume?
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:59 AM
Jan 2015
“Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.”

~George Orwell

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
16. Including the quote that you used
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jan 2015

Seems to imply that Watterson made money off the pissing Calvin stickers when he didn't.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
5. ones that are behaving poorly at being called out on their poor behavior in hurting
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jan 2015

people? I've no problem with telling them to retire.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
6. No - not every union member
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jan 2015

Is that what the protest is about, you think? Is this simply a negotiating tactic?

I bet the Police Union would deny it if anyone asked.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
7. Of course, they are going to deny it!
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jan 2015

They're not that stupid!

They were given a "request" not to turn their backs. They were not given an order.

Personally, I think it was a very stupid public relations move on their part.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
10. they did something similar to Giuliani
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:32 PM
Jan 2015
The 1997 circulation of a flier (which was not officially union-endorsed) that officers could sign to request that Giuliani not attend their funerals if they were killed in the line of duty. The mayor was engaged in a contract disupte with police and some union leaders had been indicted for racketeering by federal prosecutors; the Times wrote that "many police officers" believed Giuliani orchestrated the indictments. In 1996, the union's leader at the time had said the mayor "certainly doesn't enjoy the support of the PBA." (In 2007, when Giuliani was running for president, Patrick Lynch said the PBA "could never support Rudy Giuliani for any elected office.&quot


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/12/22/new_york_police_union_past_mayors_attacks_on_all_parties.html

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
12. Well, De Blasio Asked For It After Reappointing Laura Johnson
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jan 2015

I'm surprised more didn't turn their backs.

All previous mayors had issues with NYPD, but I think De Blasio is going to out mayor the previous mayors.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
31. That's a link to 2 links.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:33 PM
Jan 2015

Why don't you tell us all how you really feel? I'm not going to do the research you seem to want other people on this board to understand.

Please, proceed.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
35. It's a link to two CBS stories
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:58 PM
Jan 2015

Since one might not have satisfied you.

How do I feel?

I generally support the cops. I have no hatred for the cops. I've liked every cop I've met, even the one who gave me a speeding ticket.

I also see that some cops do bad things. I think some are bad when they join the force, and some get hardened after dealing with criminals day after day. I also think that most cops don't want to be the city's revenue collectors, and would rather not arrest the same man multiple times for the same petty crime.

I also understand why they are furious with de Blasio for reappointing Judge Johnson.

Oh, and by the way, I read about the story on Discussionist (where I am not a member). The article posted there was from the New York Post, so I looked for another link for you. As for as the young man the judge freed without bond, he didn't show up for court! And he has a couple of outstanding charges against him, including illegal possession of a gun. http://www.discussionist.com/101494479 (I assume it is not against the rules to post to Skinner's other site.)

Peace.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
39. You are aware that they are not turning their backs because of this Johnson, correct?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:23 PM
Jan 2015

and if they are, they have REALLY shitty PR.

I say this because they used 2 funerals for political purposes.

I don't care one whit about about whatever website you linked to BTW.

You appear to generally support an anti-deBlasio sentiment. I am basing that on my communication with you.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
41. I don't know enough about deBlasio to support him
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jan 2015

in more than a generic way, although I'm pretty darn sure I would give him more support than Goolag-ani. Whether or not I would have voted for him in a dem primary - I don't know.

And I'm pretty sure any possible peace between deBlasio and the police union was not at all helped when he reappointed Judge Johnson. That was a fail on his part. That's just the way I see it based on what I'm reading.

I think what you are reading in my posts is a general support for the police - despite the terrible actions of some. It is not a much liked position here, but so far, I don't think it's part of the party platform that we must all hate the cops.

Yes, I do have cops in my family. And firefighters, too.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
43. Let me quote your words:
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jan 2015
Well, De Blasio Asked For It After Reappointing Laura Johnson

I'm surprised more didn't turn their backs.

All previous mayors had issues with NYPD, but I think De Blasio is going to out mayor the previous mayors.


You said he asked for it.

I took issue with that. Once again. nice straw man, I never ever once alluded to anything that you suggested when you stated this:
I think what you are reading in my posts is a general support for the police - despite the terrible actions of some. It is not a much liked position here, but so far, I don't think it's part of the party platform that we must all hate the cops.


Bold face mine.

You said the mayor asked for it.

I personally don't care if you have LEO or firefighters in your family. That has nothing to do with the issue you brought up.

Good night.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
44. Good night to you, too.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jan 2015

And anyone else reading - yeah, I think deBlasio knew exactly that he was going to piss off the police union.

That may make some here happy - but it is not going to bridge the divide between him and the union.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
40. Bullcrap. This is full blown horse manure.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:27 PM
Jan 2015

You have a DU name with Texas init and you are here to tell us all about The NYPD and its relationship with previous mayors?

I lived in NY my entire life until 2006.

I worked in the city for many years.

I will never say that it has always been peaches and roses but what you are saying is nothing more than a total and complete straw man from the actual issue.

The NYPD and the PBA are not doing this because of a reappointment.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
25. This isn't about union negations, and to be very honest if you think
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:21 PM
Jan 2015

it is, then I think you and the back turners at the NYPD have a really serious problem.

Unions don't use funerals as a negotiation tactic.

nice straw man, btw. I gotta give you credit for that.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
50. It's what I would tell a police officer who is policing based on skin color, if their management
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:01 AM
Jan 2015

wasn't too incompetent to fire them. Being in a union doesn't absolve them of jack shit. It wouldn't be the first union that hurt others, union members and non-union members alike.

Matles, James J., and Higgins, James J. Them and Us: Struggles of a Rank-and-File
Union. Englewood Cliffs, N.J.: Prentice-Hall, 1974.

http://www.d.umn.edu/~epeters5/MAPL5111/5111%20Articles/Fox%20Piven%20--%20The%20Industrial%20Workers%20Movement%20%28optimized%29.pdf

gordianot

(15,236 posts)
20. Does the NYPD have a uniform code?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jan 2015

You would think Officers at attention eyes front. Failure to maintain attention is insubordination and should be cause for dismissal.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
24. Only US Military is subject to UCMJ
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:21 PM
Jan 2015

Cops are Civilians and not subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So adultery won't put them in prison, nor any of the many more regulations that apply only to members of our military. (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard, active duty and reserve are the only ones subject to UCMJ)

gordianot

(15,236 posts)
33. I looked it up NYPD does have a dress code when wearing a uniform, it does not address conduct.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:41 PM
Jan 2015

Failure to meet dress code results in referral for retraining. Conduct of officers is the responsibility of department. When wearing a uniform they are told what to wear and there are also regulations for non uniform officers.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
21. Exactly! ANd as Hartmann Said today
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:07 PM
Jan 2015

The mayor should fire them all. Making a political protest while in uniform is a crime in that State

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
27. IT's a fireable offense in the NYPD, that was how I interpreted it.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:26 PM
Jan 2015

That said, I heard Thom saying as much today.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
32. KanaAina also stated the obvious meme
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jan 2015

"Bad Cop No Donut"

The obvious caption for the picture of the cops turning away from DeBlasio, and toward the donut shop.

Surprised this hasn't flooded Twitter already.

Silly memes aside, agree with the OP and saw that terrific sentiment first thing this morning. That tweet is really getting around!

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
37. The cops out to be turning their backs on the bad apples among them.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:01 PM
Jan 2015

They would be extremely naïve to think all cops always do the right thing and never commit crimes. Of course, they know that isn't true. They just unite behind any cop no matter what he or she has done. Civilians be damned.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
52. K&R
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:14 AM
Jan 2015
- They're not trying to make a statement. They're insubordinate. Each and every one of them should be disciplined. Then I awakened and realized I had been dreaming.....''

[center]

Winston Smith: Does Big Brother exist?

O'Brien: Of course he exists.

Winston Smith:
Does he exist like you or me?

O'Brien: You do not exist.

~George Orwell, 1984[/center]
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