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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 07:51 AM Jan 2015

Reality TV Is Dying

http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-grim-new-reality-for-once-popular-tv-genre-2015-1


American Idol judges (L-R) Keith Urban, Jennifer Lopez and Harry Connick Jr. at Fox's "American Idol XIV" Red Carpet Event on December 9, 2014 in Los Angeles

Los Angeles (AFP) - Falling ratings, canceled shows and lurid scandals: 2014 was a trying year for reality television in the United States, as American audiences wearied of producers chasing success by recycling the same old formats.

The question is, will 2015 be any better? Some experts say real life-based TV shows are facing a grim new reality.

For more than a decade, reality television shows bulldozed their way across the US ratings landscape unchecked, attracting bumper audiences year after year.

But the big-hitters of the genre such as "Survivor" and "American Idol" have shown serious signs of fatigue after years of dominance.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-grim-new-reality-for-once-popular-tv-genre-2015-1#ixzz3O2cqnYET
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Reality TV Is Dying (Original Post) xchrom Jan 2015 OP
No great loss. hobbit709 Jan 2015 #1
That's one death I won't mourn. drm604 Jan 2015 #2
I sure hope so. clydefrand Jan 2015 #3
What shows and from when do you refer? HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #8
I can think of one single (and important) cable channel kentauros Jan 2015 #24
I remember when A&E used to be the "wine and cheese" network. A celebration of the Arts and fine Erose999 Jan 2015 #70
Remember when they used to air the British art-mystery show, Lovejoy ? kentauros Jan 2015 #72
And Nero Wolfe, with the great Maury Chaykin (rip) Erose999 Jan 2015 #75
Yep :) kentauros Jan 2015 #77
OMG! LOVEJOY! I have the tapes and the books! But then, I love Ian McShane! WinkyDink Jan 2015 #91
I loved Lovejoy! northoftheborder Jan 2015 #99
Miss this show 4Q2u2 Jan 2015 #106
James Burke kentauros Jan 2015 #113
Try Tombstone on netflix. AngryAmish Jan 2015 #14
Okay, I'm getting off your lawn already, jeez. nt Codeine Jan 2015 #15
+1 L0oniX Jan 2015 #61
May I recommend DeadWood? It is a traditional western and I think you will love it. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #16
haha, I approve of this message. Erose999 Jan 2015 #69
Not soon enough FreakinDJ Jan 2015 #4
+++++1,000 nt kelliekat44 Jan 2015 #6
My first thought. nt LWolf Jan 2015 #22
I've only seen one full episode of The Amazing Race deutsey Jan 2015 #5
I don't agree. The big ones may be dying, but if you channel surf, you will find that about ellenrr Jan 2015 #7
The figures for 2011/2012 TV season showed cable TV had 70% reality programming while Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #26
Nonsense spinbaby Jan 2015 #107
And there was much rejoicing. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #9
Amazing that the smart people at business insider pipoman Jan 2015 #10
There is a show with Vanilla Ice?? cwydro Jan 2015 #20
Nope....no joke pipoman Jan 2015 #34
Really? Does he also look for a Kardashian Bigfoot? jberryhill Jan 2015 #51
... pipoman Jan 2015 #53
What does Vanilla Ice do cwydro Jan 2015 #52
Construction and remodeling pipoman Jan 2015 #55
The Vanilla Ice Project - house remodeling csziggy Jan 2015 #127
I think what they are saying is the genre, not individual shows, is waning GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #25
Yeah, i don't know pipoman Jan 2015 #36
Thank god! JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #11
Let me know where the burial will be TexasProgresive Jan 2015 #12
I'll take drama, documentaries, and sitcoms any day over RTV. Ilsa Jan 2015 #13
Amen to that! meow2u3 Jan 2015 #21
I detested Survivor and I felt it was a sign of things to come Skittles Jan 2015 #135
Good! WhiteAndNerdy Jan 2015 #17
I love "Big Brother" and "The Amazing Race." ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #18
I love Mob Wives and Gypsy Sisters.... PassingFair Jan 2015 #29
Yeah, me too. HappyMe Jan 2015 #42
It agree - and would even add Celebrity Apprentice (I know Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2015 #64
The only one we watch regularly is Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #94
How much of the rise of reality TV is a result of the writers strike? loyalsister Jan 2015 #19
I would put that at 100% TexasProgresive Jan 2015 #45
Yep loyalsister Jan 2015 #59
i love TV LAND frylock Jan 2015 #126
I agree, and the case for the demise is even stronger if you use more traditional definitions of Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #23
Thank heaven! I could't stand that cheaply made crap. Little Star Jan 2015 #27
Faster, please. n/t JHB Jan 2015 #28
Reality TV was fueled in part by union busting GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #30
yes it was all about the money (of course) shanti Jan 2015 #74
okay...here.... GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #82
not soon enough... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #31
good. hate it. p.s. there is nothing 'real' in reality tv. spanone Jan 2015 #32
Some are quite educational though, I like the mountain man shows ErikJ Jan 2015 #96
I never saw any reality in reality TV. LiberalArkie Jan 2015 #33
The only time I'll engage in grave dancing. marmar Jan 2015 #35
Need some garlic and a stake? hatrack Jan 2015 #37
I will cheer its last breath TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #38
I'm trying to think of a new way to say "hurrah!" after so many others! Coventina Jan 2015 #39
Glad to hear it. (nt) Paladin Jan 2015 #40
I sure hope so! sinkingfeeling Jan 2015 #41
Fantastic news.. EVERYTHING is now a competition SoCalDem Jan 2015 #43
I'm offering a specific reason why I hate reality shows: RoverSuswade Jan 2015 #44
I watch some of them... Phentex Jan 2015 #46
Worthless crap! freebrew Jan 2015 #47
well they captured the stupid as shit demographic Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #48
Gee, maybe they could add some reality to the "news." mountain grammy Jan 2015 #49
Well said AndreaCG Jan 2015 #136
Television news is dead to me and has been for many years now, and I'm not a TV sports fan... hunter Jan 2015 #50
Doesn't matter how many times I say I'll never watch Project Runway again, CrispyQ Jan 2015 #54
Project Runway and Chopped. polly7 Jan 2015 #63
I forgot about Chopped. CrispyQ Jan 2015 #67
LOL, polly7 Jan 2015 #68
I think of Chopped as more of a game show CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #139
Actually, you're probably right ... it is more like a game show. polly7 Jan 2015 #143
God I hope so. Autumn Jan 2015 #56
Make sure of it, put a stake through it, cremate the remains and Lurks Often Jan 2015 #57
this shit started with a writers strike olddots Jan 2015 #58
I'd like to grave dance with the stars on reality tv. L0oniX Jan 2015 #60
Does that mean that stupid ripoff of Amateur Hour with Kingofalldems Jan 2015 #62
It's not supposed to be deep; it's entertainment. closeupready Jan 2015 #65
I am so glad yuiyoshida Jan 2015 #66
high time ... can't happen soon enough to suit me n/t Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #71
Thank gawd. City Lights Jan 2015 #73
Nothing like a rainy day and a dvr full of "Rockford Files" or "Columbo" randys1 Jan 2015 #76
And I was just about to meet with TLC to pitch "The Real Polygamist Amish Housewives of Alaska" & Erose999 Jan 2015 #78
Shit!!! I hope that doesn't sink my chances for pitching "Storage Dance Mom Wars" where two stage msanthrope Jan 2015 #79
Dog the Dance Mom. Goldmining with the Kardashians. Real Housewives of North Korea. Erose999 Jan 2015 #83
Shark Tank where an overpaid, Ayn-Randian CEO is dumped into an actual tank full of sharks. Erose999 Jan 2015 #85
Shark Tank Apprentice!!! Only the hair will be left!!!! msanthrope Jan 2015 #108
It's too bad we can't combine one of the feral pigs hunter shows with the Kardashians..... msanthrope Jan 2015 #86
You'd only get one episode out of that series jberryhill Jan 2015 #111
Who would get Kim's rear? Biggest Loser Redux. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #115
Would beat these: jberryhill Jan 2015 #118
One can only hope! nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #80
We can only wish. avebury Jan 2015 #81
Yes! daleanime Jan 2015 #84
Do some of you even KNOW the variety of shows you gleefully disparage? For every "Kardashian" is a WinkyDink Jan 2015 #87
do not take my Amazing Race or Top Chef - all others can go. N/T hollysmom Jan 2015 #88
Ox, gored. WinkyDink Jan 2015 #89
I have no idea what you mean? hollysmom Jan 2015 #93
I mean, Reality Shows are to be denigrated except for the ones we like, as in, depends on whose ox WinkyDink Jan 2015 #95
I just dont care about a lot of them, sometimes I watch them as eh hollysmom Jan 2015 #100
THANK GOD! I never watch them because they're all stupid. napi21 Jan 2015 #90
So, you think there is not one interesting show on TV that is not scripted? Whatever. WinkyDink Jan 2015 #92
'Reality' shows? FrodosPet Jan 2015 #97
Congratulations... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #98
Most reality shows are phony, stupid, boring. But one.... northoftheborder Jan 2015 #101
...not quickly enough. Iggo Jan 2015 #102
Not fast enough. Good riddence! n/t Adrahil Jan 2015 #103
I like the hospitality shows. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2015 #104
I like those shows also...particularly Hotel Impossible Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #114
SHUT IT DOWN!!! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2015 #123
It's fun to watch Jon Taffer cuss!! You dirty low-life ******, ******ing *******!!!! Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2015 #125
Bar Rescue did a bar close to me tammywammy Jan 2015 #142
About time. Ala carte purchase via internet from cable cutters will kill them for sure on point Jan 2015 #105
The overall IQ of the US will increase in direct proportion to the rate of decline of Reality TV. nt Zorra Jan 2015 #109
Please let it be true. No more Duck Dynasty, Pawn Stars, DWTS, Pickers, doc03 Jan 2015 #110
I usually like pawn stars when it focuses on items JI7 Jan 2015 #130
Is Ancient Aliens a "reality" show? jberryhill Jan 2015 #112
Have you visited the Creative Speculation group here? nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #116
Visited? I have resident status there jberryhill Jan 2015 #119
In all my time here, I have never even read a thread. msanthrope Jan 2015 #120
good riddance. most people should not be famous JI7 Jan 2015 #117
It's a slow, painful death. redwitch Jan 2015 #121
(All together) Na na na na... na na na na... hey hey hey... good bye! jmondine Jan 2015 #122
good frylock Jan 2015 #124
Cremate it, then bury the ashes 1000 feet deep. FiveGoodMen Jan 2015 #128
Hopefully, we'll always have BAR RESCUE derby378 Jan 2015 #129
YAY! Mike Nelson Jan 2015 #131
Reality TV has been around since... meaculpa2011 Jan 2015 #132
Hey I remember Queen for a Day - the saddest reality show ever. hollysmom Jan 2015 #137
I only managed to afford satellite in 2006 Warpy Jan 2015 #133
a pox on EVERYONE who made this garbage popular Skittles Jan 2015 #134
It can't die fast enough! nt NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #138
Dear God let this be true (nt) CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #140
What amazes me about most "reality" shows.. sendero Jan 2015 #141
Ice Road Truckers marions ghost Jan 2015 #144
Wait a sec... CanSocDem Jan 2015 #145
Good!!! Beacool Jan 2015 #146

clydefrand

(4,325 posts)
3. I sure hope so.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 07:57 AM
Jan 2015

I'm old, but I still wish we could get back to some really good, honest, no-vulgarity type
shows. With what is on now - and people wonder what is wrong with so many of the younger kids?
Too much violence/cussing/sex on now. Stop the violence/cussing and leave sex ed. to parents and the schools.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
8. What shows and from when do you refer?
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:13 AM
Jan 2015

I can think of a handful that were part of my popular viewing in the deep past that could fit your description but I'm wondering which you mean.

I can image Family and All In the Family being contrasted in consideration of good honest vulgarity free shows, but I am not at all sure that the social significance of the shows would follow in the same order.

Shows like "Gunsmoke" and "The Rifleman" with clear right and wrong and fully disambiguated good guys and bad guys certainly promoted dominate narratives of American values, but they also promoted violence as a resolution to evil and harbored issues that in today's view would include 'blue privilege', 2nd amendment movements, and yeomanship that overlaps even 'sovereign citizenship'.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
24. I can think of one single (and important) cable channel
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jan 2015

that clydefrand could have liked, at least in the beginning: The Learning Channel. These days, they might as well re-brand themselves as "RTV" or "Reality" TV, because they show nothing of any educational value.

Per Wikipedia's page on them:

Early history

The channel was founded in 1972 by the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare and NASA as the Appalachian Community Service Network,(3)(4) and was an informative and instructional network focused on providing real education through the medium of television; it was distributed at no cost by NASA satellite.

The Learning Channel: "a place for learning minds"

ACSN was privatized in 1980, and its name was changed to "The Learning Channel" in November of that year; the name was subsequently shortened to "TLC.&quot 5) (NASA immediately launched NASA TV as the ACSN's internal replacement). The channel mostly featured documentary content pertaining to nature, science, history, current events, medicine, technology, cooking, home improvement, and other information-based topics. These are often agreed to have been more focused, more technical, and of a more academic nature than the content that was being broadcast at the time on its rival, The Discovery Channel. The channel was geared toward an inquisitive and narrow audience during this time, and had modest ratings except for Captain's Log with Captain Mark Gray, a boating safety series which aired on TLC from 1987 to 1990 and achieved between a 4.5 to 6 share in the ratings. Captain's Log was also the highest compensated series in the history of TLC, with over 30 times the compensation of any other series on TLC at that time and was allowed to sign yearly rather than quarterly contracts.

Although it didn't show up until the channel started to change for the worse, one of my absolute favorite shows on TLS was called simply "The Operation." The premise was that the documentary crew followed patients needing some kind of medical operation and the doctors would talk the audience through the procedures. I don't know much about medicine, but it was one of the most fascinating shows I'd ever seen, before or since!

Of course, PBS was, and still is, a good substitute for what TLC used to be. And as far as vulgarity goes, I learned more "bad words" off of British comedy shows aired on PBS latenight and weekends than I learned in school

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
70. I remember when A&E used to be the "wine and cheese" network. A celebration of the Arts and fine
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:21 PM
Jan 2015

music and literature.

Now it's hoarders, intervention, Dog the Bounty Hunter, and storage wars.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
77. Yep :)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:05 PM
Jan 2015

Thankfully, TCM still means "Turner Classic Movies" and embraces that title, instead of rebranding it. Thank all that is good and right in the world for Robert Osborne!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
113. James Burke
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jan 2015

I remember watching that on PBS! And then they did a shorter show for the early version of The Discovery Channel, I think. Didn't think it was as good, because it's difficult to cover centuries in half an hour (unless your a Doctor!)

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
16. May I recommend DeadWood? It is a traditional western and I think you will love it.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:47 AM
Jan 2015

Last edited Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:46 AM - Edit history (1)

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
5. I've only seen one full episode of The Amazing Race
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:03 AM
Jan 2015

and that was because I was on a business trip with people who enjoyed the show.

Otherwise, I've actually never seen any of the shows listed here.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
7. I don't agree. The big ones may be dying, but if you channel surf, you will find that about
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:07 AM
Jan 2015

90% of tv "offerings" are reality shows.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
26. The figures for 2011/2012 TV season showed cable TV had 70% reality programming while
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jan 2015

broadcast TV was more evenly divided and had no dominate genre. I don't have more recent figures at my fingertips, but there is less reality TV production now than in 2011/12...
no single genre represented a majority of broadcast television programming during the 2011-12
season. That is, drama (31 percent) and reality (30 percent) together accounted for 61
percent of broadcast programming, while the remaining 39 percent share was divided between other programming (comedy, news, talk etc).

http://www.bunchecenter.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2014-Hollywood-Diversity-Report-2-12-14.pdf

Reality TV was never 90% of programming and it is trending down hard. Drama is flourishing, comedy still floundering....

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
10. Amazing that the smart people at business insider
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:14 AM
Jan 2015

Are so incredibly ignorant of the teevee....when haven't series ran their coarse, lost viewers, and canceled....answer, they always have with damned few exceptions. ..they're shocked that after 15 years idol and survivor have lost it? From my perspective there is no shortage of reality teevee from Vanilla Ice and the Amish to the ridiculous housewives, survivor and idol are dinosaurs

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
34. Nope....no joke
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:06 AM
Jan 2015

Now there is even a spinoff where the Amish guy travels around the country in a red mustang remodeling people's bathrooms.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
127. The Vanilla Ice Project - house remodeling
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 06:03 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.diynetwork.com/the-vanilla-ice-project/show/index.html

Rather than practical remodeling that most could afford, he's buying up McMansions that were let to get run down and restoring them in all their tacky McMansion glory.

Sample description from the link above:
Vanilla Ice is back to tackle his toughest Florida flip ever. The pop icon and knock-out home renovator has taken his biggest risk yet, investing in a high-dollar lakefront dump in need of a top-to-bottom transformation. That means ripping rooms to the studs, adding a new pool, a boat dock with a tiki hut and state-of-the-art technology all around. Will his champagne taste end up costing him a profit? Or can he and his crew flip this tacky mess and still come out on top?

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
25. I think what they are saying is the genre, not individual shows, is waning
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jan 2015

TV producers are not brave and are often no more creative than your average Xerox machine but they have been able to crank out so-called "reality" TV and find some winners.

Reality TV is the product of smaller audiences and dwindling budgets for primetime TV. It was a way to make TV shows without paying union writers or union actors. Some of the shows claim to be "unscripted" but one of the things that killed this genre is all the fakery. "Mystery Diner" finally took it so far over the top that they were exposed as a total fraud. Gordon Ramsay's Master Chef shows are faked but most people either can't tell or don't mind because they want to believe that a 9 year-old kid can dream up, cook and perfectly plate sous-vide wild boar with a reduction of bordeaux and demi glace, wild mushroom risotto and handmade ravioli in 45 minutes.

The show that killed reality TV, Fox's "Utopia"" used escorts and models to get around the ban on union actors. The show was as fake as they come and was immediately called out when viewers recognized the actor playing "Red" from his marijuana show.

http://starcasm.net/archives/287039

Perhaps for the next show the producers will just break down and hire some union people again and make something watchable.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
13. I'll take drama, documentaries, and sitcoms any day over RTV.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:38 AM
Jan 2015

The first season of Survivor was good because it was fresh and felt genuine. After that, blech.

Amazing Race is somewhat tantalizing because of its many locations, but I've only watched it because I was waiting for The Good Wife to come on, and the network was running behind due to an NFL game.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
21. Amen to that!
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 09:06 AM
Jan 2015

I'm sick and tired of reality TV. AFAIK, the producers selectively edit the footage, a la FOX "News", to twist the thoughts and words of the the participants, all for the sake of drama, ratings, and money.

Give me a good documentary any day.

WhiteAndNerdy

(365 posts)
17. Good!
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:48 AM
Jan 2015

Now if someone would just come up with something new. It seems like almost everything on prime time is either a reality show or yet another detective show. TNT's new "Dallas" was great because it wasn't just another stupid formulaic murder show, but it's not being renewed this time.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
64. It agree - and would even add Celebrity Apprentice (I know
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:01 PM
Jan 2015

even though Trump's a scumbag - they have raised $9 million for charity so
I choose to focus on that)

I think these shows are a study on human behavior and find that part
very interesting.

Amazing Race is the only show I know of that truly shows what life is
like in other countries. I don't even know why they call the Travel
Channel the Travel Channel - every time I turn it on it's always about
haunted houses.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
94. The only one we watch regularly is
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:46 PM
Jan 2015

The Voice and sometimes some of the ones on Food Network if we're bored.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
19. How much of the rise of reality TV is a result of the writers strike?
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:56 AM
Jan 2015

Seems like it may have a lot to do with laziness and greed on the part of producers and networks. I would so love to see some good fiction on TV again!

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
45. I would put that at 100%
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jan 2015

Including the rise of prime time game shows, judge shows and snooze magazine shows like 20-29 etc..

I watch a lot of old series maybe because I am old but maybe because I am nostalgic for some decent if not great writing and acting.

What I don't get about reality shows is that they are obviously scripted.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
59. Yep
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jan 2015

They don't want to pay talented writers what they're worth, so they just adopted lower standards for scripting.

I agree about the older series' I dumped cable and get a better selection via Roku.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
23. I agree, and the case for the demise is even stronger if you use more traditional definitions of
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 09:22 AM
Jan 2015

the format. 'American Idol' is a talent show and talent shows have been part of television since 1948 with Ted Mack's Amateur Hour. I do not see it as 'Reality TV' as it is a show about a show, not a show about reality, the performances are intentional, the performances are the show. It is a talent contest show, which is a subset of the game show genre.

The 1991 Dutch series 'Number 28' was the first 'Reality TV' show, 'Survivor' and 'Big Brother' followed in the US.
Games shows, talent contests, news programming and talk shows are all unscripted but not 'reality TV'. Some such shows get lumped in with reality shows but they are not reality shows.

So count Idol as reality if you wish, many would outside the industry, but at the same time perhaps consider the health of the format without Idol counted as part of it and see how very weak the genre really is.
Fox lost huge money and programming control this season over the failed 'Utopia' which was 'classic reality tv' and a huge, same inducing failure for them.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
30. Reality TV was fueled in part by union busting
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 09:40 AM
Jan 2015

Producers wanted to reduce costs by avoiding union writers and union actors so they write these shows themselves and use realtiy-TV-star-wannabes who work free or for stipend. "Utopia" used escorts and models to avoid union actors. Gordon Ramsay uses food stylists, coaches and handlers (paid for by the stage parents) to make it look like little kids can cook. They get the challenges weeks in advance:

http://www.realityravings.com/2011/10/19/junior-masterchef-contestants-are-helped-alot/

Very little reality in these shows but they were cheap to produce while they lasted.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
74. yes it was all about the money (of course)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jan 2015

they'll do a whole season and the the next season is just recaps of bits and pieces of the shows, no new filming. or the cast will sit around talking about the show.

give me a good documentary any day!

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
31. not soon enough...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jan 2015

the only one i can tolerate is the Gold Rush one... and even that one is stretching it...

sP

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
96. Some are quite educational though, I like the mountain man shows
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jan 2015

Pawn stars teaches a lot of history behind the objects and shows how to wheel and deal. The Alaskan wilderness/pioneeer shows how to survive off the grid which is endlessly fascinating.

Coventina

(27,064 posts)
39. I'm trying to think of a new way to say "hurrah!" after so many others!
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jan 2015

I'll let the smilies do it for me!

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
43. Fantastic news.. EVERYTHING is now a competition
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:28 AM
Jan 2015

Networks are lazy and cheap.

They do not want to hire writers and real actors, so they just turn everything into a contest

baking
dancing
singing
"faux- surviving"
child raising


and more

and yet they (former independent, now eaten up by bigger entities) always seem flummoxed over the fact that THEY are not winning awards or accolades..

Just last week, the "weather" channel thought we needed Two Fat Guys In the Woods more than having some weather folks show us the massive flooding/rain-caused landslides that were happening right then..

And they "offer" us schlock like the Dynasty nut cases, and the guy who travels worldwide eating weird stuff , and pimping toddlers in evening wear so Momma can go to walmart more..and the unending march of idiotic sitcoms that fail a few weeks after they start

The few really special (formerly) networks have been ruined.

and WHY is 20-20 wasting our time investigating crimes that were solved decades ago?

and Good Ole NBC , who probably has enough old footage to cobble together "new" Dateline/ID until the next millennium..

I'll stick with HBO/Showtime

RoverSuswade

(641 posts)
44. I'm offering a specific reason why I hate reality shows:
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:28 AM
Jan 2015

It's not the stupid plots (and I'm not sure "plot" is even an appropriate word), it is the spastic way the camera shots are shown only for a maximum of two seconds. If you watch the Weather Channel's reality offerings the picture keeps changing about 30-50 times a minute. It drives me nuts. Your eyes and brain never get to absorb an image before - whoooot - the picture changes.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
47. Worthless crap!
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jan 2015

was paying $70 a month for crap. No longer. Now, I get my crap for free.
Put up an antenna. Same, worthless crap. But at least it's free.

What will they decide to do with the time? Oh yeah, Paid Programming or another Jim Bakker hour?

Too many cop shows. Too much bad comedy.
Too much repetition in the 'news' shows w/o any real news.

I have to wonder, as well, who the education channels are educating.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
48. well they captured the stupid as shit demographic
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:49 AM
Jan 2015

while the golden age of tv is occurring everywhere except on network tv.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
136. Well said
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 01:25 AM
Jan 2015

Personally I never watched more than a few episodes of any reality show except last comic standing cause I do stand up comedy too, and Kathy Griffen's show cause she was not just funny but did some really nice things too. And her mom was a riot with her boxes of wine.

That's it unless you count survivor man.

hunter

(38,304 posts)
50. Television news is dead to me and has been for many years now, and I'm not a TV sports fan...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:00 AM
Jan 2015

Oh, wait, there's some other kind of "reality" television??? And it's worse than the television news and news shows???




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CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
54. Doesn't matter how many times I say I'll never watch Project Runway again,
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jan 2015

I'm still there, every week.

I love Face Off & Wizard Wars, too.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
63. Project Runway and Chopped.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:01 PM
Jan 2015

Those are the only two I will ever watch. The rest I find unbelievably boring and after watching a few was mad at myself so wasting so much time.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
67. I forgot about Chopped.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jan 2015

Every show there is some ingredient I've never heard of. And then you have to come up with a way to cook it, with specific other stuff, in just a few minutes. Wow. Must be interesting to be a judge for a cooking show. "Hmmm, I wonder what this is going to taste like?"

The ones where there is some talent involved are okay. You have to find what interests you. I like fashion & magic, but singing, not so much. I had a 24 hour bug one day & had a non-stop day of Shipping Wars. Now that is some mindless stuff!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
68. LOL,
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:13 PM
Jan 2015

I had a friend/hostage here (recovering from a broken pelvis and needing a place to stay for awhile) and was busy all day cleaning, he somehow lost the remote control and watched nearly a full day of Bridezilla. (The remote was hiding tangled in the bottom of his blankets and I did try to find it for him, but missed it.) Says he's never getting married ......

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
139. I think of Chopped as more of a game show
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:46 AM
Jan 2015

Anyway, when I have seen it, it was fun to watch despite grossing me out entirely.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
143. Actually, you're probably right ... it is more like a game show.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:08 AM
Jan 2015

I haven't watched any for so many years, but it is a contest with a big prize. Some of those ingredients I've never even heard of, but it's amazing how fast they are at figuring out how to use them in their dish.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
57. Make sure of it, put a stake through it, cremate the remains and
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jan 2015

scatter the ashes in Category 5 hurricane!

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
58. this shit started with a writers strike
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jan 2015

That coincided with VCRs & cable being spread in the late 70s early 80s .

The more choices the cheaper things get just like life with over 7 billion humans

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
65. It's not supposed to be deep; it's entertainment.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jan 2015

If someone would like to argue that Hee-Haw or the Lawrence Welk Show were better TV staples than Survivor or Amazing Race, please proceed.

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
66. I am so glad
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:37 PM
Jan 2015

I never owned a tv, this kind of stuff would have made me sell my tv on EBAY or simply tossed it in a giant bin near my apartment.

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
78. And I was just about to meet with TLC to pitch "The Real Polygamist Amish Housewives of Alaska" &
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:13 PM
Jan 2015

"Intervention Pawn Shop" where junkies think they're going to pawn stolen merchandise are surprised with an intervention by a crew of jolly fat pawnbrokers.
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
79. Shit!!! I hope that doesn't sink my chances for pitching "Storage Dance Mom Wars" where two stage
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jan 2015

moms are thrown into a storage unit and only one gets to leave....after being auctioned off.....

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
86. It's too bad we can't combine one of the feral pigs hunter shows with the Kardashians.....
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:33 PM
Jan 2015

might make the world a better place and stave off the Apocalypse.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
111. You'd only get one episode out of that series
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jan 2015

Pass the carcasses along to one of the cooking shows, though, and make it a food reward on Survivor.

avebury

(10,951 posts)
81. We can only wish.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:20 PM
Jan 2015

Reality TV is the 21st Century equivalent of people going to the Colusseum to watch the Gladiators in Ancient Rome. Provide the masses with cheap entertainment and maybe they won't notice the 1%ers, MIC and rabid Republicans/Teaparty rob us blind/sell us down the river.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
87. Do some of you even KNOW the variety of shows you gleefully disparage? For every "Kardashian" is a
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:40 PM
Jan 2015

"Chopped." For every "Housewives of..." is a "Master Chef: Juniors." For every "Hard-Core Pawn" is an "Antiques Roadshow" (oh, you didn't mean THAT Reality show?). Do you disparage "American Idol" while thinking Carrie Underwood is the cat's meow?

And so on. But of course, it is satisfying on some level to set one's self apart from the rabble, is it not?

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
93. I have no idea what you mean?
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jan 2015

I like to see the places they travel on Amazing race, not as much drama as fun things to see, and top chef has introduced me to some amazing chefs. I then go to the restaurants of the chef - traveling and eating - what else is there? Well, there is Clay but not too active. I do admit of watching them build tiny houses and believe I want to move into one, but I can find that stuff on-line.

Now I KNOW you have watched reality programs so don't pretend.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
95. I mean, Reality Shows are to be denigrated except for the ones we like, as in, depends on whose ox
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jan 2015

is gored.

I make NO bones about watching all manner of RT. I am quite well-travelled, -cultured, and -read, frankly, and can't abide snobbery.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
100. I just dont care about a lot of them, sometimes I watch them as eh
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:24 PM
Jan 2015

I do like tiny house nation but could find the same information on-line. If I am not watching things, I do not care about them. i.e. things like game of thrones, don't have HBO so what ever. Normal human response. I do like contests, what I don't like is fake reality shows following "real" lives. If they were following real lives they would be documentaries. I like contests as long as they do not have pre-chosen winners.

I like the Amazing race because even though bad luck happens, sometimes good luck happens, too. But there is wonderful challenges I wish I could do, too old now, but when the show began I went around asking people to be my partner so I could go on the show and could not find anyone willing to do it. ugh. stupid friends and family! That is why I joined TWOP. Even went to the TAR party one year to find Miss Allie surrounded by people offering her presents and giving the best seats to her fans. Kind of turned me off a bit. Ah the good old days, emphasis on the OLD. Wish my bones were stronger so I could still try the race, but it would kill me today. Mom was the only person who wanted to go with me, but at 84 with several strokes behind her, I thought - not a good idea.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
90. THANK GOD! I never watch them because they're all stupid.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:43 PM
Jan 2015

Let's hope the networks come up with something worth time watching.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
92. So, you think there is not one interesting show on TV that is not scripted? Whatever.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:44 PM
Jan 2015

I can't take seriously the opinion that "Chopped" is "stupid."

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
97. 'Reality' shows?
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:55 PM
Jan 2015

To me, the closest thing to a reality show is "The Deadliest Catch". The boat crews are still out there chopping bait, dropping and retrieving crab pots, chipping ice, and putting their lives on the line in frigid, violent seas with or without cameras present.

Pretty much every other show happens because of the cameras.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
98. Congratulations...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jan 2015

It only took too long. I stopped watching in 2000 when I couldn't stand listening to people talk about the first big series, which I don't even recall anymore.

Guess they'll be writers involved in negotiating television now.

northoftheborder

(7,569 posts)
101. Most reality shows are phony, stupid, boring. But one....
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:24 PM
Jan 2015

....I still really enjoy is American Pickers. Mike and Frank are interesting personalities who are very knowledgeable about vintage things, especially bikes, motor cycles, and cars. The people they meet are fascinating relics of the junk world!

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
104. I like the hospitality shows.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:39 PM
Jan 2015

Bar Rescue, Hotel Impossible, Restaurant Impossible. Because they take a failing bar, restaurant, hotel and get experts in to teach them how to run a business properly. Most of these people are rude to customers and don't have a clue about training their staff or cleaning or fixing simple drinks and dishes.

The experts are helping people (who are often stubborn and refuse to change although they are losing their asses) instead of making them compete artificially and being cruel to them, like the cooking competition shows.

Some of them do become successful in the hospitality business, but some of them have no idea how to be nice to customers and accommodate their needs. Some of them don't understand that if you are rude to customers, and don't answer questions, they will not come back and you will go broke.


 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
125. It's fun to watch Jon Taffer cuss!! You dirty low-life ******, ******ing *******!!!!
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:52 PM
Jan 2015


And then they get into shoving matches with him!!

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
142. Bar Rescue did a bar close to me
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:52 AM
Jan 2015

I've never been there, but I drove by it last night and it seemed to have quite a few cars in the parking lot.

on point

(2,506 posts)
105. About time. Ala carte purchase via internet from cable cutters will kill them for sure
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jan 2015

Cable uses this low cost to produce crap to fill channels. When no one orders it by choice, it will die.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
109. The overall IQ of the US will increase in direct proportion to the rate of decline of Reality TV. nt
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:59 PM
Jan 2015

doc03

(35,300 posts)
110. Please let it be true. No more Duck Dynasty, Pawn Stars, DWTS, Pickers,
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jan 2015

American Idol, Surviver it can't happen soon enough.

JI7

(89,241 posts)
130. I usually like pawn stars when it focuses on items
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 06:07 PM
Jan 2015

People being in and learning things about it.

But they have been putting in a bunch of fake drama which I can't stand. Especially with chumlee.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
137. Hey I remember Queen for a Day - the saddest reality show ever.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 01:31 AM
Jan 2015

People telling their pitiful stories hoping for a washing machine bu usually just getting as weeks worth of new underwear if anything at all.

Warpy

(111,174 posts)
133. I only managed to afford satellite in 2006
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 06:40 PM
Jan 2015

so when the reality shows came in, I fled. I started to rent lots of DVDs and watch a lot more PBS, interesting or not.

I knew they were scripted bullshit with non trained actors that were cheaper to produce than shows with actors who knew what they were doing on sets that needed furnishing.

I lasted 15 minutes, 5 minutes for the one in the apartment full of whining yuppies and 10 for the one with the decent scenery but too many closeups of whining body builder yuppies who didn't have any bug bites or scrapes and it wasn't the first show where they'd supposedly been dumped.

I can't believe that garbage has lasted this long and has generated so many pseudo celebrities. I am not surprised how many of them are landing in the joint. They were always liars.

When the last one goes off the air, I might just have to open the Dead Cheney split of champagne, then go buy another one for the real toast.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
141. What amazes me about most "reality" shows..
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:56 AM
Jan 2015

... is how ridiculous the very idea that there is ANY reality involved. I mean most of these shows are more scripted than your average sitcom.

And "reality"? Really. Take a show like undercover boss. How undercover is anything when there is clearly a camera crew present in every scene. Think the employees might figure out what is going on?

I used to enjoy watching Gordon Ramsey pitch a fit over a soggy cheeseburger, but all of his shows have descended into drama and theatrics so fake and so obviously contrived as to make a con man blush.

This crap couldn't die soon enough.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
145. Wait a sec...
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:47 AM
Jan 2015


...there are still a lot of real life working experiences that have yet to be covered. I've seen fishermen, miners, car builders, truck drivers, ballroom dancers, cops, bar owners, pet rescuers, cooks and dumpster-divers to name a few.

Aside from the occasional idiot who defies logic by hanging on to their job, their televised lives have been immensely informative. As I have always suspected, being on television makes life better. You can see it in the eyes of H-booboos mom. Or in the steely bravado of the 60yr old ice-road trucker barreling down a trail with his hat on back wards and his finger on the CB mike.

Having a clip on YouTube is more valuable than a high school diploma. Just sayin'...


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Beacool

(30,247 posts)
146. Good!!!
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:51 PM
Jan 2015

I absolutely despise reality shows and don't watch any of them. Most of them cater to the lowest common denominator and have created fake "stars" who are no more than talentless, greedy and mediocre people.

Duck Dynasty, The Bachelor, The Housewives of...., etc.

Cringe worthy garbage.



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