Clear how having a Black female Republican in Congress is a HUGE boon for Repubs

[ellenrr]

"Incoming Rep. Mia Love of Utah, the first black Republican woman elected to Congress, said Sunday that House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) should keep his leadership position despite controversy over his 2002 speech to a white supremacist conference."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/04/mia-love-steve-scalise_n_6412882.html

--Who better to defend a fuckin' white supremacist than a Black woman?!

[hatrack]

1. Way beyond pathetic . . . .

. . . in fact, approaching the utterly incomprehensible.

[Fred Sanders]

2. Auntie Tom? Mormon, black, woman, fundie, a walking propaganda home run!

[hatrack]

3. A textbook example of "The Black Friend" so proudly touted for so long by so many racists . . .

[Fred Sanders]

5. Every Republican will say "....but I can not be a racist, I have a friend , Mia Love."

[stevenleser]

6. Your post was alerted and the vote was 5-2 to keep

I was juror #1

On Tue Jan 6, 2015, 09:08 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Auntie Tom? Mormon, black, woman, fundie, a walking propaganda home run!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6046461

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Racist shit that doesn't belong on DU

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jan 6, 2015, 09:12 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I dont think the poster meant to be racist. Alerter, the things this Congresswoman has already attempted to give cover to would likely change your mind about Fred's post, and I have a fair amount of disagreement with Fred's posts. She is like Phyllis Schlafly, Allen West and Mitt Romney all rolled into one. She is a total traitor to the demographics to which she belongs.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I think DU can do better than this
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think Fred Sanders is pointing out the racism of and by the GOP.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ummmmm. No.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Fred Sanders]

7. I do not like emoticons....this does not change my mind. Sarcasm is only good if it gives pause.

Thanks, Steven, for taking a pause.

I think I have a few gunner folks following me around, they alert at the drop of a pistol that then shoots you dead.

I know we sometimes disagree but I admire your logic and passion.

[stevenleser]

10. I would like to dialogue with the alerter via DuMail, I will not reveal who it is if they contact me

I am curious if it is an African American member of DU. If it is I want to listen to their reasoning.

I am pretty skeptical that any Democrat of color would alert your post.

[ellenrr]

15. I think "Uncle Tom" is a problematic term---

if a POC uses it, that's one thing.

I personally wouldn't use it.

Malcolm spoke of field n__s and house n___s.

I understand his concept, but obviously these are words most of us would not use.

[stevenleser]

18. I don't understand why it would be. I am comfortable saying Schlafly is a traitor to feminism even

though I am not a woman. If there was a specific pejorative phrase that connoted that, I would feel comfortable using it.

There is no question that Mia Love is an Uncle Tom. It shouldn't matter that I am mixed race, whether a white, black or mixed race person says it, it's true.

[bravenak]

26. I really hate people using uncle Tom.

It's almost always white Liberals and they tell themselves it 's not racist , but it is. If the GOP was calling Obama a house negro or Uncle Tom, democrats would be furious and call them KKK all day. I don't use Uncle Tom or Cracker or anything like that really. I have no idea why people have the burning desire to use racist terminology and absolve them selves of racism if directed at a black republican. It's nasty and racist.

[stevenleser]

28. Doesn't Uncle Tom just mean enabler of white privilege and bias/racism? Why is that racist?

That sounds like a very specific and accurate term for someone doing that.

[bravenak]

29. Did you read the book?

Uncle Tom was a good man.
It is a term never used unless the person is black. Racist. Hello!

[stevenleser]

33. A traitor to ones own discriminated against demographic would have to be from that demographic

right?

If there is a consensus that the term is insensitive, I have no problem writing out that Mia Love is an enabler of white privilege and bias/racism, but it means the exact same thing.

[bravenak]

45. You did not read it.

[stevenleser]

52. Are we discussing the term and what it means now or the work of art and literature?

If we are going to discuss the person in art, we have a movie and a book to choose from and as you know they each tell a different story about what that person was all about.

But that is besides what the term means now.

It's possible that since I mostly hang out and am politically active in the community where I live (Harlem), that I hear the term a lot from folks who I guess are permitted to use it because they are 100% from the demographic and assumed its an accepted term in general. I've never heard those folks call someone an "aunt Gemima" or "House N-word", I am not sure the term is in the same category.

I'm trying to imagine a similar term in similar circumstances concerning the other demographic groups to which I belong. I suppose if I place us in 1930's Germany and a similar term existed for Jews who supported/enabled the Nazis and I heard a white Christian person allied with Jews use it to describe a Jewish collaborator with the Nazis, I not only wouldn't mind, I would be supportive. Similarly, if a term existed for Latinos who support Republican policies against Latinos, I would not mind a non-Latino using it to describe Republican enabling Latinos.

All that aside, as I said, ultimately, I go with whatever the folks 100% belonging to the demographic say regarding acceptable use of terms. If the consensus is that the term is not acceptable, I will not use it.

[bravenak]

54. What term do we use for other republicans?

Why do black republicans get racial names? Racism is why.
I am telling you that you did not read the book, because people for years have been getting Uncle Tom wrong. Uncle Tom was a good man and sacrificed himself for others, regardless of color or how he was treated most wrongly. Republicans are not uncle Toms. Uncle Tom wad selfless. That's why I asked.

Now, lets stop using it.

[stevenleser]

55. Did you read anything I wrote or is this a totally one sided conversation? nt

[bravenak]

57. My point originally was that the term was racist - and that people did not read the book.

I'm stuck there until we agree not to use it anymore. In exchange I promise not to use any nasty words for conservative whites or jewish folks. It's not fair that we can discuss whether it's okay to use racist terminology on black folks. Why the fight to keep the word in yr vocab?

[stevenleser]

60. Well, if you aren't going to read what I write, there is no reason to continue to discuss it.

I in fact, discussed use of similar terms in other demographic groups including other minority groups. It's not just one that is being discussed. But if you aren't going to read what I write, there is no point.

I will pay close attention to what other members of the AA group have to say on this topic.

It's particularly frustrating considering I am pretty obviously mixed race but that seems to have no impact on you.

[bravenak]

61. Why should you being of mixed race have an impact on my position?

What races are you mixed with? Is this how you were taught? I don't know you really. You seem fine to me, except for this issue. I pretty much stick to my subjects hard. Once I clear up the original issue, it's easier to move on to other issues.
I really don't like any race based insults. No matter what it is.

[stevenleser]

62. The same reason it matters with any demographic group.

I pretty openly identify as mixed African American/Caribbean/Latino and white, as well as Jewish.

Folks who are traitors to their group seeking equality, whether its one of the groups that are part of my heritage or not i.e. (women, LGBT) are particularly irksome to me.

I'm waiting to see what other members of the AA group have to say about your contention to see if it has some degree of consensus. For instance, so far, only one of the other four hosts of the AA group have rec'ed your other thread. I don't see a lot of folks I know are African Americans on DU recc'ing or commenting on that thread.

[bravenak]

63. I am a singular person and younger than most of them.

This is my perspective and I do not run my positions past anyone. Sorry I did not know about your racial identification. I will remember in the future.
I don't see it as actually being a traitor, thats the difference. Some people are just conservative in nature. Conservatives hurt progress. They may be just fine with where we are. Too bad for them.

I'll call them out just the same as others, may even give them more attention. But I won't use their race as an extra cudgel. They already get that from society, just like me. They handle it differently than I do. They go right, to get accepted by the majority, to show they are acceptable. I go left to make the nation more acceptable. That means being magnanimous and avoiding slurs. Thats just me though.

[Aerows]

67. See, this is where I think many have missed the bus

You *are* a singular person. You aren't the spokesperson for every person of color in the world nor am I the spokesperson for every gay female in the world.

I get offended by that assumption, as I am certain you get tired of being the "black woman who speaks for every black woman in the world" just because you offer your unique viewpoint.

You are a woman. I'm a woman. We are unique individuals. Sorry to reiterate this, but it seems that some just do not get that concept.

[bravenak]

68. I feel bad having to tell people that I don't control black people.

It's weird. I keep using that word. Like I have to take a poll to offer up my two cents.

[Aerows]

70. I know

it's silly. Have you polled 20 black people today to see what you should think about something?

I'm busy polling gay people to see what I should think, but we can reconvene at a later date LOL and offer the opinion of whatever our data numbers crank out, since we can't think for ourselves.

[bravenak]

71. If I poll ten trusted DUers, everybody else would go nuts.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

[Aerows]

72. This thinking for yourself thing

is completely overrated

[cwydro]

74. Hey!

You forgot to poll me!

[Aerows]

80. Sorry

I missed getting your opinion in the mix.

[Number23]

77. Steve, I love you like a play cousin but on this I am really surprised.

Why do you need to hear from other black posters to accept bravenak's opinion?

[stevenleser]

85. Because honestly, I don't see it. As I mentioned...

I consider anyone doing this from any of the demographic groups to which I belong, and frankly, discriminated against groups to which I don't belong, to be worthy of a derogatory label that specifies that they are traitors to that demographic group.

If you are against equality for African Americans, Latinos, Jews, Women or LGBT, etc., you are scum. If you are a member of one of those groups and are a traitor to the fight for equality for that group, whether its Phyllis Schlafly or Mia Love, or we can continue to list them, IMHO, you deserve being singled out.

I'm not saying call Schlafly the C-word, or Love the N-word, or a Latino doing this the S-word or those kind of slurs. I'm saying a specific term that specifies what they are doing is appropriate.

As always, I will bend to the consensus of the group in question. As it seems the consensus is against use of the term, so be it. I can't recall personally using it other than in #18 above because it was part of the discussion, so it's not going to affect me personally anyway.

I'm just surprised to see this kind of reaction. I'm not for defending people who fight against equality. I don't think slurs should be directed at them, but beyond that, they don't get much consideration from me. This is the first I have seen "U-- T--" defined as something resembling a slur.

[Number23]

86. Calling someone Uncle Tom has been in use in the black community forever

It is at the very least, a race BASED slur. And when it is used by someone who is not a member of the culture against someone who is, I believe it very clearly becomes a RACIST slur.

As has been pointed out, if you are referring to someone's gender, race, sexuality, ethnicity etc. to slur them, including their actions or their policies, then you are engaging in offensive, bigoted language that is likely sexist/racist/homophobic/xenophobic etc. It's not necessary.

[stevenleser]

88. I hear it here in Harlem semi-regularly in political discussions.

Unfortunately the President is sometimes the person at whom its directed, but more often folks like Allan West and Clarence Thomas.

[Number23]

89. And Harlem is a big part of.... the BLACK COMMUNITY, Steven.

Black folks are the ones who coined the phrase Uncle Tom. When we do it to one another, it is a race BASED insult. When someone not black calls a black person that phrase, I believe it crosses into racIST.

[stevenleser]

90. Yes, and that is where I live. That's primarily where I interact.

I'm a part of that community.

[ellenrr]

47. Many people in congress are "enablers of white privilege and bias/racism"

so why single out Mia Love?

[stevenleser]

53. See my #52 nt

[Number23]

78. EGGGZACTLY!!!

Well FUCKING said!

[Gormy Cuss]

43. This needs to be explained????

[bravenak]

46. I guess so.

[JustAnotherGen]

32. Not really

You do realize that amongst Republicans that terms is used as a broad brush against liberal black Americans who they feel are on the 'Democratic Party Plantation'.


They basically use it these days to plant all blacks who aren't with them as feeble minded step and fetchers for white folks.

And lately at DU - it's becoming pretty apparent that we aren't intersecting with the 'liberal populists' in quite the way we used to . . .

Going to be interesting to see what the Koch influence is going to have on the elite black colleges - and how those young people end up voting over the next ten years.

[stevenleser]

35. I've never heard of a Republican using that term. Do you have links?

Thanks

[JustAnotherGen]

36. On my facebook page 0-

I've also been called that twice in the past few years in black oriented professional meetings/mixers where the discussions turned to politics. Keep in mind I'm a high income/wealth bracket where I'm much more likely to encounter black Republicans who are very much like -

You need to be out for yourself. <---- Re my financial interests.

When black folks are alone without others around things are said that would make white folks ears burn!


A good resource - check out Allen Wests facebook page. He is very much up on this angle - and most of his subscribers are very much in league with referring to us in those terms.

[stevenleser]

41. Oddly enough, I have found myself wishing for such a term for the other demographics to which I

belong. There is nothing like using a short two term phrase for someone who enables the existing order to discriminate against the group.

If there is consensus, I will stop using the term and simply write out the description.

[JustAnotherGen]

38. I don't use that 'cracker' word either

Or even white trash.

Those of us with moms who are white - and older -

Know damn well white folks used that as par and parcel against white people that crossed the color line.

No fucks to give about what it meant 160 years ago.

In the 60's, 70's, and 80's that shit flew out of white folks mouths in the north east - not just the South. It was a go to for white women who are race traitors.

[bravenak]

42. Yep yep yep!!!

They love to do that to women. I have heard variation like that my whole life, always directed at poor whites or whites who like blacks. They call them coal burners now I guess.
Maybe I just feel stupid trying to say racist shit? I just can't bring myself to use any of those words. Maybe more white folks need black family.

[ellenrr]

49. all these terms are shorthand, supposed to convey something in the group in which all

think the same way.

Yet, when Steve says "an enabler of white privilege" that tells me a lot more than if he says "Auntie tom".
One is meaningful and clear,
the other leaves me wondering
'what the fuck does he mean?'

[Sissyk]

91. This!!

"Maybe more white folks need black family."

and, vice versa.

When my white son was younger, we were having a conversation about him having a black brother and how it made him different from his classmates. Or rather, some of his classmates had told him he was different because of it.

At the end of our conversation, he decided that he was actually better off than they were. And, he ask me a question that I wish more adults would think about. He ask, "Why can't all families have blacks and whites? He felt (in his young mind) that racism would disappear if we all lived together. Pretty simplistic, I know. But, I think it has a lot of merit.

[bravenak]

92. I think so too.

We need to mix up a bit more. Stop being scared of each other. We are better off because we have experience that helps us empathize. Better this way. Everybody will be mixed in sooner or later.

[Sissyk]

93. Yep!

[Number23]

75. But saying 'traitor to feminism' is not culture specific or derived. Uncle Tom has a long history

within the black community.

[Number23]

73. IMO no white person has any business whatsoever calling a black person Uncle Tom or

some derivative. I don't think any non-black person has any business doing that.

And there are some black people that the minute they show up on my screen, my teeth automatically set into a grimmace. Clarence Tom, Charles Barkely, Tiger Woods etc. And as much as I dislike all of them, if someone not black calls them then that term, THEY are the ones that get the patented Sista Side Eye (and trust me, NO ONE gives side eye like black women. The phrase was probably invented for us) and not the subject of the derisive term.

[ellenrr]

8. thanks for this. the fact that my post was alerted for being "racist" says everything

there is to say about DU and the jury system.

feh

is there no end to the stream of ignoramouses?
guess not.

[stevenleser]

9. Yours was alerted too? It could be a disruptor from one of those sites that stalks us

You can alert from the moment you sign up, I believe.

[Mosby]

16. #4 was alerted on also 0-7

[ellenrr]

12. oh. beg yr pardon, Steven, I thot MY post was alerted. nt

[bravenak]

27. Another racist term. Thanks.

It makes me feel great.

[JustAnotherGen]

30. Again?

Oh god - they have all kinds of conservative places to be hateful - at this point they are just little silly ninnies doing this stuff ya know.

[bravenak]

31. We are using Uncle Tom today.

That and Aunt Jemima. That one said negro bed warmer.
I think it's weird that liberals use those terms, but would get hella pissed if the Republicans were calling John Lewis or Obama a house negro. This place is weird.

[JustAnotherGen]

34. Whoa

Them's fighting words!

Let me guess - a jury at DU let it pass and MIRT had to be called in?

Says more about the the people who let it slide than the disruptors who post it eh?

[bravenak]

37. Yes. This place is weird.

Lots of awesome people who get confused. I'll help them get it.

[JustAnotherGen]

39. I'm not here to help

I'm here to tell the truth.


They don't like it?

Don't read it or get me kicked off.


I'm not going to hold back anymore because someone's widdle feelings are gonna get 'hurted-ed'. Seriously - Just telling them when I don't respect them, like them, and want nothing to do with them. Maybe then they will just shut up and not post back to me?

[bravenak]

40. It's better that way, really.

You cannot coddle these folks. I feel like a hammer right now, pounding real shit into skulls.

[JustAnotherGen]

82. See - you are a better person than me!

You are! I don't want to chip my nail polish!

[Number23]

79. Oh, I have tried that route over and over and over again

Just telling them when I don't respect them, like them, and want nothing to do with them. Maybe then they will just shut up and not post back to me?

I'm not here to help either. I am too old and tired (and I'm still about 20 years younger than the average Duer so that's saying something) but one thing I have found is that there are people here no matter how many times you ask, beg, demand for them to leave you alone, let them know in no uncertain terms how abhorent you think that they and their ideas are, they refuse. Will STRAIGHT UP say "no" when you inform them that you find them to be postules of ignorance with no redeeming qualities and ask them to just stop replying to your posts.

I am sure it is a coincidence of the HIGHEST order that I have seen first hand that the vast majority of the worst offenders here are men and melanin-deficient. Entitlement is a hell of a thing.

[JustAnotherGen]

81. That's why I'm going to straight up tell them

On a go forward basis. And my obnoxious sig line is coming in handy lately!

I'm sharing this with you because you wrote "postules" - and that's awesome! Shhhhh - a lot of these ass wipes I wouldn't even nod my head to in real life. Seriously - and I'm pretty down to earth and easy going. Harmless. But - side eyes would be then.

That's all!

[Number23]

84. Good luck. As I said, I have straight up told them too. Didn't make a bit of damn difference

and in fact, a few other postules actually cheered them on. Though in all honesty, their numbers were small and their behavior was COMPLETELY aligned with the other Grade A trollery and needless nastiness that is the hallmark of all of their other posts here.

I also have to say that judging by the number of times I've been alerted on for asking the postules to leave me be, the jury results have always come back with a large majority of Duers seemingly agreeing that any member here that refuses to leave another member alone after they have been repeatedly asked to do so is clearly a boil of the ass of this web site. Would be even better if the admins would do something about it too but that's obviously asking for a bit too much.

[seaglass]

50. I was on that jury and it was hidden, sorry I deleted the notice out of my Inbox and do not have

the results - I can tell you it wasn't 7-0 though.

[dembotoz]

4. tokens not just about subways.....

[ellenrr]

11. I do however object to people calling this woman a "token" "Aunti" etc....

imo these are racist terms

(not that I'm going to alert!!)

my post points out the ruling strategy of the Republicans.
say what you will about them, they ain't stupid (not at the top anyway)

it is similar to choosing a woman to defend a rapist.

This woman (Mia Love) made her choice which obviously I don't agree with.
It doesn't make her a puppet or a person who doesn't think.

It does mean that the Republicans pick the people they want very consciously.

I remember when she was elected I thot it was passing strange that the first Black female to be elected to the Congress would be a Repub.
Now I see why.

The person who alerted my post unfortunately was not sufficiently politically sophisticated or sufficiently intelligent to distinguish between a post pointing out a strategy and a post attacking a person. Hopefully this person can educate themself.

[JustAnotherGen]

21. Small point - she wasn't the first black woman to Congress

From Utah and a Republican yes -

But for us Democratic Party members - that's sooooooooooooooo 1968!

Chisholm!

[ellenrr]

25. yes, meant 1st repub. great lady Chisholm nt

[JaneyVee]

13. INSANE. She should tell them she's offended and...

She would like him to be replaced. She gets no respect.

[JustAnotherGen]

17. Not going to happen

Three key things about this person:

She's a fiscal conservative
She's very proud of never having taken a 'hand out' - even though she attended public schools but I digress
She's all about not being a burden on society.
She's pro life.

Discussion ends - she's one of 'em. So she is going to defend him - because of where they intersect.

[yeoman6987]

19. I wonder if she would have been as forgiving

To Senator Byrd who she probably wouldn't because he was a Democratic politician. That is my problem with Republicans, they are many times hypocritical.

[belzabubba333]

14. were there slaves that defended slavery?

[stevenleser]

20. There were African Americans "promoted" to overseer during slavery who you could say did so.

As the overseer was the primary person in charge of making sure everything on the plantation got done by the slaves.

But as I have said in the past, every discriminated against group has had folks like this, and IMHO, these people are as much of a victim as those that do not end up in those positions.

That doesnt change the fact that in the short term, those people may have to be fought.

[rbrnmw]

22. they are/were victims

[stevenleser]

23. Yep, as I noted, I agree with that. Same with Jewish Kapos in concentration camps

and various other examples. They are victims of a discriminatory system that should not exist. But again, that still may mean that in the short term, they may need to be fought.

[treestar]

66. The worst right winger I know

who is white, claimed to find black defenders of the Confederacy. "It was their home" and so they fought for it, goes the argument.



Then he'd claim some free black people owned slaves of their own. So that made it all fine. And not only that, there were white slaves! Some owned by black people, no less. See, even the confederacy was race neutral! A few oddities can be dug up to prove it!

[OregonBlue]

44. So she's ok with the KKK? Wow.

[Hutzpa]

56. She is very lighted headed as present

which is understandable because she just got to Congress, bur she is allowing her ego to over crowd her judgement and that is very
poor for her.

[mb999]

48. Insanity

Either this or the money she gets out of the deal must be good. Either way a black republican makes about as much sense as a black kkk member. Is the money really worth the dishonor?

[Hutzpa]

58. +1000

she is exactly the reason why some faction in the whites community do not respect black lives anymore.

She is a cankerworm.

[Hutzpa]

51. She says he shows humility when she works with him

she is very confused as she is mistaking accomodating for humility. Such a shame.

[Neon Gods]

59. A few years ago..

...I attended a candidates forum in the Washington, DC, suburbs and there was a Black woman running as a Republican. Afterwards I asked her why she chose to run as a Republican. After a few moments of silence she admitted that the Republican party will pull out all the stops to support any Black candidate willing to run as a Republican. She knew she was being used, but she also used them to get far more support than if she were just another white guy running for that office. She lost btw, but the Republicans could still use how they supported her as "proof" they're not racists.

[spanone]

65. she's just another rightwing nut....a black defending the kkk is not a boon for anyone.

Abortion
Love is pro-life and has been endorsed by the Susan B. Anthony List.

Spending and taxes
Love proposes deep cuts to federal spending, particularly in the area of entitlement spending (Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid).[30] She also supports cutting taxes.

Other issues
She supports domestic energy exploration, local control of education, Second Amendment rights, and state control of public lands.

Congressional Black Caucus
She has said that if elected to Congress, she would “join the Congressional Black Caucus and try to take that thing apart from the inside out.” She has described the mainly Democratic Caucus as characterized by “...demagoguery. They sit there and ignite emotions and ignite racism when there isn’t. They use their positions to instill fear. Hope and change is turned into fear and blame. Fear that everybody is going to lose everything and blaming Congress for everything instead of taking responsibility."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Love

[CatWoman]

69. just wait until they J.C. Watts her

[tenderfoot]

76. If we aren't to use terms that Harry Belafonte used to describe Colin Powell is "Quisling" okay?

a traitor who collaborates with an enemy force occupying their country.

ORIGIN World War II: from the name of Major Vidkun Quisling (1887–1945), the Norwegian army officer and diplomat who ruled Norway on behalf of the German occupying forces 1940–45.

[JustAnotherGen]

83. I like that!

See Harry is like Robert Redford - who recently went at Dick Cheney - check out his blog at Huff Po.

Those of us who have or had liberal/progressive fathers we "get" Harry and Bob.

They are the liberal version of "shit my dad says".

Seriously - the way Harry goes after race and Bob goes after everything - when I miss my dad I just look up what they've said in the past week and I don't miss my dad so much!

[stevenleser]

87. And maybe that's the easy answer. But, it still makes the implication that they are from that group.

If folks here are saying that it's not OK to indicate that, I am not sure they will be satisfied with Quisling.