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Kids today. Ugg! (Original Post) trumad Jan 2015 OP
i feel for kids today-my father loved big bands but i was never forced to acknowledge that music dembotoz Jan 2015 #1
Really? I knew of most of the big film stars of the 40s, 50s and 60s, even though before i was born hlthe2b Jan 2015 #8
Are saying you wouldn't know who Duke Ellington is if you heard his name spoken? notadmblnd Jan 2015 #9
i know(knew) who they were but was not required to worship at their feet dembotoz Jan 2015 #27
Saw "The Count" live in the 70's...I am a trumpet player and drummer, big thrill for me randys1 Jan 2015 #51
The Beatles aren't just "some band" though... SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #60
Well, Paul hasn't done much lately. aikoaiko Jan 2015 #2
I just saw him on tour this year. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #5
Golden oldies tours are delightful. aikoaiko Jan 2015 #6
Actually my preference are good cover bands exboyfil Jan 2015 #16
Two new album releases over the past three years... LanternWaste Jan 2015 #21
Exactly and what became of them? aikoaiko Jan 2015 #22
Some people listened to them, while other didn't-- much as with all music... LanternWaste Jan 2015 #30
"NEW" was pretty damn good actually. Initech Jan 2015 #53
At the same time, I don't expect most on DU to know who Brian Eno is. kentauros Jan 2015 #3
Uhh---total joke... trumad Jan 2015 #10
Mcarthy? Paul Mccarthy???? WillowTree Jan 2015 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author trumad Jan 2015 #18
Oh trumad, trumad, trumad . . . Brigid Jan 2015 #14
Mcarthy? kentauros Jan 2015 #19
Jesus it was a joke... trumad Jan 2015 #20
We old people take our pop music icons seriously. Brigid Jan 2015 #23
What's also interesting, kentauros Jan 2015 #25
I know who Brian Eno is REP Jan 2015 #56
Well, I didn't say he was totally unknown here ;) kentauros Jan 2015 #59
I know very well who Eno is but he was never where the Beatles and McCartney were/are. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #31
As a musican, no, but as a producer, he's influenced more people than we may ever know. kentauros Jan 2015 #34
Dude, Baby's on Fire has my favorite guitar solo ever in it. dilby Jan 2015 #42
They are indeed! :) kentauros Jan 2015 #43
Well if you were into the music in the 80's and 90's then you know who Eno was. dilby Jan 2015 #44
His production work is probably what influenced the music industry the most, kentauros Jan 2015 #46
Anyone who ever watched MTV should know the Buggles. n/t dilby Jan 2015 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author otohara Jan 2015 #63
They didn't have exposure to their elders' music JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #4
Agreed! Lars39 Jan 2015 #26
I've heard that pintobean Jan 2015 #7
My first exposure to McCartney was with the Wings exboyfil Jan 2015 #11
I remember people not knowing who John Lennon was when he was killed... Phentex Jan 2015 #13
I'm with ya, double ugh! mountain grammy Jan 2015 #15
Cultural literacy, like conventional literacy, involves more content than one can ever experience. RadiationTherapy Jan 2015 #17
It also involves the means of learning it. kentauros Jan 2015 #24
I agree. It seems to me that this is a good thing since the ignorance of McCartney was already RadiationTherapy Jan 2015 #28
Right. kentauros Jan 2015 #29
Who tf is Kanye? OffWithTheirHeads Jan 2015 #32
Wasn't he in Oasis? pintobean Jan 2015 #38
If it had not been for his "George Bush doesn't care about black people" kerfuffle deutsey Jan 2015 #39
What is Kanye? That's a country in South America.. right? LeftinOH Jan 2015 #33
Kanye? Didn't Fox say that's where the President was born? Damn ... 11 Bravo Jan 2015 #35
kids today, always trolling their elders Enrique Jan 2015 #36
These kids are clueless. Babymetal is way ahead of them. L0oniX Jan 2015 #37
My oldest grandson, 15- who doesn't lke the Beatles knows who McCartney is ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #40
Use this site "against" him next time kentauros Jan 2015 #45
Paul McKenzie is my favorite Beatle... The_Commonist Jan 2015 #41
Wow, never dawned on me.... bobGandolf Jan 2015 #48
I thought this was gonna be about shoes kydo Jan 2015 #49
Casey Kasem like you've never heard him, kentauros Jan 2015 #50
Give these guys a try: Brigid Jan 2015 #52
Music history should be a required class in order to graduate from high school. Initech Jan 2015 #54
Chill out people, most of them are joking. DemocraticWing Jan 2015 #55
Oh well thanks for setting us old folks straight. trumad Jan 2015 #57
This has nothing to do with you or me. DemocraticWing Jan 2015 #61
Hey, Who tf is Kanye? MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #58
TRENDING ON TWITTER... yuiyoshida Jan 2015 #62

dembotoz

(16,799 posts)
1. i feel for kids today-my father loved big bands but i was never forced to acknowledge that music
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:07 AM
Jan 2015

i am an old fuck yet my kids are supposed to know bands that i grew up with.
damn i mean damn

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
8. Really? I knew of most of the big film stars of the 40s, 50s and 60s, even though before i was born
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jan 2015

I had at least heard of the big music stars of the 40s, 50s, and 60s, even though before I was born.
I also knew of history that occurred WELL before I was born, including the major politicians, scientists, and leaders world wide.

It seems we now give future generations a total pass to be ignorant of all that preceded them.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
9. Are saying you wouldn't know who Duke Ellington is if you heard his name spoken?
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:20 AM
Jan 2015

How about Count Basie, Benny Goodman, Glen Miller or Artie Shaw?

dembotoz

(16,799 posts)
27. i know(knew) who they were but was not required to worship at their feet
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:08 AM
Jan 2015

rather fond of duke ellington actually

but it was my dads music and my music was different.

i worship Kate Bush but i am not surprised or upset that my kids do not and i have not
given up hope that someday she will tour america......well really not a lot of hope....

music when i was growing up was part of rebellion

i smile because i thing rap and hip hop are awful--they are supposed to sound awful to me
I AM OLD

I am happy that this year the super bowl will have someone who does not need a walker to get across the fricken stage.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
60. The Beatles aren't just "some band" though...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jan 2015

Forget about Beatlemania, and all the hits and all the record sales. The Beatles along with George Martin and engineer Geoff Emerick changed the face of recorded music. The things they were doing in the studio, hell, inventing are still standard practices today.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
16. Actually my preference are good cover bands
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:44 AM
Jan 2015

that play our local festivals. Free or nearly free. I can't see spending $60+ for a faded memory of a once great performer.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
21. Two new album releases over the past three years...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:51 AM
Jan 2015

Two new album releases over the past three years...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
30. Some people listened to them, while other didn't-- much as with all music...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jan 2015

Some people listened to them, while other didn't-- much as with all music...

Or is your premise not that he hasn't done much, but merely hasn't been as popular as he once was (which seem to be two very distinct statements)?

Initech

(100,063 posts)
53. "NEW" was pretty damn good actually.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jan 2015

It is definitely McCartney's most Beatles-esque album he's done in like 30 years. Definitely worth a listen or two.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
3. At the same time, I don't expect most on DU to know who Brian Eno is.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jan 2015

Oh sure, some of y'all will know, but for the most part, the majority of the vocal members of DU are products of the Top-40/100 commercial rock radio generations, no matter what the decade of their teen youth

Response to WillowTree (Reply #12)

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
25. What's also interesting,
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jan 2015

is that no one has yet acknowledged that they've heard of Brian Eno or that they understand why his influence on modern music is so important.

REP

(21,691 posts)
56. I know who Brian Eno is
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jan 2015

I had an unusual upbringing. Due to my mother's musical snobbery, I wasn't allowed to listen to popular music; only classical and opera. When I did break out of my aural constraints, it was with David Bowie. From then on, a bit of mother's musical snobbery remained with me; I've never cared much for mainstream or Top 40 (with some exceptions; the first album I bought was Queen's A Night at the Opera).

TLDR: yes, I know who he is.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
59. Well, I didn't say he was totally unknown here ;)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jan 2015

Only that most have not heard of him, and yet have had much of their music influenced by him since the 70s.

I don't recall the very first thing I heard on public radio (KPFT) but one of the first was Philip Glass' opera "Einstein On The Beach." Not even the commercial classical music station in town was that brave!

Now, I can also thank the Internet for giving me online stations and collections that continue to open my ears, such as somafm.com, the Internet Archive, weirdomusic.com, and All Music All Blogs

Even so, younger audiences won't listen to any of this unless a favored peer "approves" of these sources...

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
31. I know very well who Eno is but he was never where the Beatles and McCartney were/are.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:23 AM
Jan 2015

Perhaps part of the issue is the extent anyone is curious about music and explores widely or if they really just passively absorb the commercial radio pabulum.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
34. As a musican, no, but as a producer, he's influenced more people than we may ever know.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jan 2015

He's also known for one of the most ubiquitous pieces of sound ever: the Windows startup riff.

What's the saddest about this whole thing, though, is that I've known far too many people that were 100% unconcerned to just "absorb the commercial radio pabulum." I've tried to get some friends that run a café to explore music choices beyond the Sirus/XM station "The Spectrum" (mostly a commercial classic rock station without the commercial interrupts; all the pabulum of that genre and preformatted method of presentation is still intact.) But they've told me time and again that the majority of their customers actually like the station!

Still, you are in the minority of knowing who Brian Eno is, especially knowing his music. This reminds me that I need to rip my copy of "Before and After Science" to my media player


dilby

(2,273 posts)
42. Dude, Baby's on Fire has my favorite guitar solo ever in it.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jan 2015

I actually was listening to Hear Comes the Warm Jets this morning on my way to work and the album is older than I am. But Eno and Fripp were amazing on that album.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
43. They are indeed! :)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jan 2015

However, spend a little time here in The Lounge, and you'll find a strong majority are stuck in the 1960s and early 70s and still have never heard of Brian Eno.

As I stated, though most DUers are not aware of either his music or influence on the rest of the music industry. But, that's typical of most Americans. Commercial radio rules. You have to be not only adventurous to go looking for public radio, but brave enough to sit through stuff you may not initially like in order to hear the rest of the spectrum that makes you wonder how you could have ever been seduced by corporate music at all

dilby

(2,273 posts)
44. Well if you were into the music in the 80's and 90's then you know who Eno was.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:34 PM
Jan 2015

He pretty much set the stage for the 80's, he influenced both Glam Rock and New Wave, plus all the producing he did.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
46. His production work is probably what influenced the music industry the most,
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:40 PM
Jan 2015

especially in the 80s and 90s. Same for Trevor Horn during the same period. Remember him?


Response to kentauros (Reply #3)

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
4. They didn't have exposure to their elders' music
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jan 2015

I knew CCR, Muddy Waters, Bessie, Dylan, Baez, all of Motown and heck of a lot of country music prior to 1980 when I was a teenager. But I grew up in a home that was music centric - where the stereo (8 track at one point) was always on and we got our own hi fi systems in grade school!

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
26. Agreed!
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jan 2015

And this is why I've got playlists going that younger family members can access. I have to tone it down so as to not offend the parents, but at least I'm putting the artists out there for the kids to explore on their own.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
11. My first exposure to McCartney was with the Wings
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jan 2015

The theme song they did for Live and Let Die (still the best theme song in my opinion).

An old joke from when I was in college was, "Paul McCartney was with a band before the Wings". The next generation would say, "Paul McCartney sang lead for two bands before performing with Michael Jackson".

I later learned about the Beatles, but shudder, my first deep exposure to their music was the Sgt. Pepper's movie. My older brother was not amused.

They are not one of my favorites, but I do enjoy listening to them occasionally. My tastes gravitate more to The Who.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
17. Cultural literacy, like conventional literacy, involves more content than one can ever experience.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jan 2015

Also, content is created and distributed at what seems like exponentially greater quantity than the 5 previous decades. Some people know who Paul McCartney is and some don't. Just like every other musician, author, painter, dancer, etc. There is too much culture to be completely literate.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
24. It also involves the means of learning it.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:54 AM
Jan 2015

While kids today get their music by means other than broadcast radio, what they listen do is still peer-influenced. I may have veered from the mainstream and accepted norms in my teen years, yet I still didn't learn about public radio except through peers (friends.)

I can't thank them enough for that influence, though. I wouldn't have the broad sense of music tastes I have today without them

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
28. I agree. It seems to me that this is a good thing since the ignorance of McCartney was already
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:09 AM
Jan 2015

extant. By working with him, Kanye introduced McCartney to a lot of people who, for whatever reason, hadn't known of him.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
29. Right.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:15 AM
Jan 2015

And the kid's indignity at having to learn of an older musician might wane as he listens to other McCartney music, or the Beatles, or wherever it takes him. The kid may even pay attention and have some curiosity when their favorite musician (Kanye) speaks of their own musical influences.

It's all connected

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
39. If it had not been for his "George Bush doesn't care about black people" kerfuffle
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jan 2015

I probably would know next to nothing about him.

So it goes.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
35. Kanye? Didn't Fox say that's where the President was born? Damn ...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jan 2015

it's hard to keep up these days!

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
40. My oldest grandson, 15- who doesn't lke the Beatles knows who McCartney is
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jan 2015

But he's a musician.

He says his peers are listening to a lot of thrash/death metal (which I've always liked and he hates) he doesn't like much pop, and only some Rap.

He listening to a lot of '90's music right now. Searching for his 'sound' --I don't argue.

When he comes over we have 'who can find the worst song contests'-- he even wins once once a while.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
49. I thought this was gonna be about shoes
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jan 2015

my bad.

I'm not sure which is funnier sometimes. I like to listen to those re-airings of Casey Kasum's American Top 40. And sometimes he'll say some thing like wow looks like we have a new great singer/group should be around a long time. And its like the Knack or some other one hit wonder.

In other words sometimes the opinions of peeps before something became a big success or years, decades even, after their time are both equally funny.

Music tends to come full circle all the time. I remember when all of a sudden classical music was big again thanks to "A Fifth of Beethoven." Everyone was like wow awesome dance tune, this Beethoven guy rights more disco tunes. He is good might have a career in music.


kentauros

(29,414 posts)
50. Casey Kasem like you've never heard him,
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:07 PM
Jan 2015

thanks to the experimental-rock band, Negativland's parody of U2


Initech

(100,063 posts)
54. Music history should be a required class in order to graduate from high school.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:38 PM
Jan 2015

Seriously. This is truly an epic fail on multiple levels.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
55. Chill out people, most of them are joking.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:41 PM
Jan 2015

And for the ones who aren't...who the fuck cares? There's no silly conspiracy among "kids these days" to insult The Beatles, 99% of all age groups know who Paul McCartney is, and The Beatles still sell large amounts of music (and if you've been to a McCartney concert recently, concert tickets as well!) to young people.

Maybe people should worry more about remembering where they left their dentures than which kids on Twitter are joking or not.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
57. Oh well thanks for setting us old folks straight.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:23 PM
Jan 2015

As you can see----99.9 percent are getting a chuckle out of this----except. .1 percent.

You're such a radical.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
61. This has nothing to do with you or me.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jan 2015

It has to do with the dozens of people like my parents who are SO OFFENDED by the GALL of these ANKLEBITERS!

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
58. Hey, Who tf is Kanye?
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:31 PM
Jan 2015

… I'm sure that later in their years, those little shits won't be chanting, "Kanye forever!"

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