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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWashPost: "Jim Webb and the Democrats’ white-man problem" (as dumb as it sounds)
Cringe-inducing, white victimhood stupidity from Mr. Quit-After-One Term:
Some think Jim Webb could be the liberal Democratic alternative to Hillary Clinton in 2016. Perhaps it's more likely, though, that Webb could position himself as something the Democratic Party or any party, really hasn't seen in some time: the vocal champion of the working-class white man.
The former Virginia senator offered this critique of his party to Matt Bai over at Yahoo!, and it sounds like something that you might hear on the campaign trail going forward.
I think this is where Democrats screw up, you know? Webb said. I think that they have kind of unwittingly used this group, white working males, as a whipping post for a lot of their policies. And then when they react, they say they're being racist.
Rather than run as a liberal (which he is not, in a whole host of ways), Webb could run as a kind of anti-Hillary. He would be an explicit counter to the sort of progressive, feminist narrative that would inherently undergird a Clinton run. He would also be the anti-Obama, a break from the sort of identity politics around race, gender and ethnicity that have, in Webb's telling, excluded working-class white men.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/01/05/jim-webb-and-the-democrats-white-man-problem/
Yes, because adopting the GOP's message on issues worked out so well for all those red state Dems in 2014, didn't it? Let's try it on a national level!
Do tell us, Jimmy. What Democratic policy position has made poor widdle white men a "whipping post?" (Classy choice of words, BTW!)
Can this guy just withdraw from the race now, before he makes a total ass of himself and subjects us to a moronic primary campaign?
Mass
(27,315 posts)He wants to be seen as the supporters of white men (and ignore that racism and sexism are still rampant in our society).
Though his choices of words were more polished than that, he expressed more or less the same feeling in his announcement video.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Why does acknowledging that as a problem sound "dumb"?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)"poor widdle white men" indeed.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)What policy of so-called "identity politics" (love how WP adopts this false premise) and feminism does he have a problem with?
Daring to question a very real problem of police brutality when it comes to minorities?
Protecting a woman's right to choose, even, god forbid, in cases of rape and incest?
Enacting sensible immigration reform?
And, most egregiously, having the nerve to support a guy who presidents while black, rather than demand to see his birth certificate and ca;l him a secret muslim agent of the New Black Panthers who wants to destroy Amurica?
Webb is great about blowing the victimhood dog whistle, but I want to hear just how he thinks white males are being made "a whipping post" by any policy of the left.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Other than some completely pointless "feel-good" issues.
But we do have to actually acknowledge that they are the people who aren't voting for us.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)how you define us, white male Dems still vote for Dems and tend to vote. No we can't win without women and minorities but we will take what you dish out and still go to the polls and vote Dem.
I know as a white male liberal that what is in the best interest of minorities and women is in my best interest too. We all gain when all of us have our rights and issues promoted.
You don't need to make us your enemy.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I think that Webb's perspective on the denigration of one select demographic is validated by your very own "poor widdle white men" post.
But I suspect you want some tangible policy to point to. How's this? Name something intended to help men in the affordable care act.
Among people who prefer winning elections, the fact that men, especially white men, and especially married white men don't vote for us is a problem to be solved, not a validation of our purity.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)you turn your back on all (most) African-Americans, women and Hispanics?
Historical note ... whichever party supports/advocates for PoC (and/or women), loses the white male vote ... it happened in the 1800s, and again in the 1960s, and again in the 1980s.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I think we should be running AA politicians throughout the deep south, even if we take the hit for it the and the next cycle.
Sorry, I was just talking about Webb's argument. And I'm not a Webb fan. But he's right that white males are the single demographic that kills us every. single. time.
Now, Webb's strategy is to get white males to vote for him. Mine is to run a candidate that people other than white males will enthusiastically vote for.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)(If so, I would have written it off as someone had hijacked your account)
That is going to be the increasing tough challenge for the party, as white males feel under attack (read: are resisting sharing the political agenda).
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Wedge politics only works when there are more voters on your own side of the wedge.
Spazito
(50,260 posts)I think this is where Democrats screw up, you know? Webb said. I think that they have kind of unwittingly used this group, white working males, as a whipping post for a lot of their policies. And then when they react, they say they're being racist.
This, to me, is a very loud dog whistle to racists, saying vote for me, I'm one of you.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I'm going to need to hear more; but ...
Back in 2010, under a Wall Street Journal headline that referred to the myth of white privilege, Webb called for an end to federal affirmative action programs that arent need-based, saying they no longer helped African-Americans and only served to embitter white voters. More recently, including in our conversation, he has obliquely assailed interest groups that divide the parties by race.
Twice I asked Webb which interest groups he had in mind, but he demurred. I think its pretty clear, if you look at the policies of the Democratic Party, how they shape their strategic agenda, Webb said. I was left to conclude that he was talking about the influence of civil rights or pro-immigration groups (which seemed odd, really, since in reality those groups have about a tenth of the power that teachers, trial lawyers and organized seniors exercise over Democratic politics).
This means he will have a hard row to hoe, in trying to woe me ... despite any other "Progressive" leanings he might promote.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)In opposing affirmative action, he's going for the same "racism no longer exists" stupidity the rightwing judicial activists used to gut the Voting Rights Act.
And, of course, he can't name an interest group. Webb knows damn well this is a false narrative. He's not that stupid. But for pushing it, anyway, he's even worse.
I'm no huge fan of Hillary, but if the choice comes down to her and Jim, she just got my vote. Eff this guy.
Throd
(7,208 posts)Why don't you ignorant racist motherfuckers vote for us? It's in your best interest!
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)quit calling for an end to affirmative action and pandering to rightwing idiots.
The way to win these voters is economic populism. Not trying to out-wingnut the wingnuts on racial issues.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)He seems to be to the left of Clinton on Wall Street, foreign policy, criminal justice, among other issues.
The Webb section:
In his senatorial race, Webb did well not only in northern Virginia, which is filled with Washington commuters and college-educated liberals, but also with rural, working-class white voters in Appalachia. In 2008, those voters were generally more loyal to Clinton than to Obama, but Webb believes that he could attract a national coalition of both groups of voters in the Presidential primaries. He laid out a view of Wall Street that differs sharply from Clintons.
Because of the way that the financial sector dominates both parties, the distinctions that can be made on truly troubling issues are very minor, he said. He told a story of an effort he led in the Senate in 2010 to try to pass a windfall-profits tax that would have targeted executives at banks and firms which were rescued by the government after the 2008 financial crisis. He said that when he was debating whether to vote for the original bailout package, the Troubled Asset Relief Program, he relied on the advice of an analyst on Wall Street, who told him, No. 1, you have to do this, because otherwise the world economy will go into cataclysmic free fall. But, No. 2, you have to punish these guys. It is outrageous what they did.
After the rescue, when Webb pushed for what he saw as a reasonable punishment, his own party blocked the legislation. The Democrats wouldnt let me vote on it, he said. Because either way you voted on that, youre making somebody mad. And the financial sector was furious. He added that one Northeastern senatorWebb wouldnt say whowas literally screaming at me on the Senate floor.
When Clinton was a New York senator, from 2001 to 2009, she fiercely defended the financial industry, which was a crucial source of campaign contributions and of jobs in her state. If you dont have stock, and a lot of people in this country dont have stock, youre not doing very well, Webb said. Webb is a populist, but a cautious one, especially on taxes, the issue that seems to have backfired against OMalleys administration. As a senator, Webb frustrated some Democrats because he refused to raise individual income-tax rates. But as President, he says, he would be aggressive about taxing income from investments: Fairness says if youre a hedge-fund manager or making deals where youre making hundreds of millions of dollars and youre paying capital-gains tax on that, rather than ordinary income tax, somethings wrong, and people know somethings wrong.
The Clintons and Obama have championed policies that help the poor by strengthening the safety net, but they have shown relatively little interest in structural changes that would reverse runaway income inequality. There is a big tendency among a lot of Democratic leaders to feed some raw meat to the public on smaller issues that excite them, like the minimum wage, but dont really address the larger problem, Webb said. A lot of the Democratic leaders who dont want to scare away their financial supporters will say were going to raise the minimum wage, were going do these little things, when in reality we need to say were going to fundamentally change the tax code so that you will believe our system is fair.
Webb could challenge Clinton on other domestic issues as well. In 1984, he spent some time as a reporter studying the prison system in Japan, which has a relatively low recidivism rate. In the Senate, he pushed for creating a national commission that would study the American prison system, and he convened hearings on the economic consequences of mass incarceration. He says he even hired three staffers who had criminal records. If you have been in prison, God help you if you want to really rebuild your life, Webb told me. Weve got seven million people somehow involved in the system right now, and they need a structured way to reënter society and be productive again. He didnt mention it, but he is aware that the prison population in the U.S. exploded after the Clinton Administration signed tough new sentencing laws.
The issue that Webb cares about the most, and which could cause serious trouble for Hillary Clinton, is the one that Obama used to defeat her: Clintons record on war. In the Obama Administration, Clinton took the more hawkish position in three major debates that divided the Presidents national-security team. In 2009, she was an early advocate of the troop surge in Afghanistan. In 2011, along with Samantha Power, who was then a member of the White House National Security Council staff and is now the U.N. Ambassador, she pushed Obama to attack Libyan forces that were threatening the city of Benghazi. That year, Clinton also advocated arming Syrian rebels and intervening militarily in the Syrian civil war, a policy that Obama rejected. Now, as ISIS consolidates its control over parts of the Middle East and Irans influence grows, Clinton is still grappling with the consequences of her original vote for the war in Iraq.
Although Webb is by no means an isolationist, much of his appeal in his 2006 campaign was based on his unusual status as a veteran who opposed the Iraq war. Ive said for a very long time, since I was Secretary of the Navy, we do not belong as an occupying power in that part of the world, he told me. This incredible strategic blunder of invading caused the problems, because it allowed the breakup of Iraq along sectarian lines at the same time that Iran was empowering itself in the region.
He thinks Obama, Clinton, and Power made things worse by intervening in Libya. Theres three factions, he said. The John McCains of the world, who want to intervene everywhere. Then the people who cooked up this doctrine of humanitarian intervention, including Samantha Power, who dont think they need to come to Congress if theres a problem that they define as a humanitarian intervention, which could be anything. That doctrine is so vague. Webb also disdains liberals who advocate military intervention without understanding the American military. Referring to Syria and Libya, Webb said, I was saying in hearings at the time, What is going to replace it? What is going to replace the Assad regime? These are tribal countries. Where are all these weapons systems that Qaddafi had? Probably in Syria. Can you get to the airport at Tripoli today? Probably not. It was an enormous destabilizing impact with the Arab Spring.
Early on as a senator, Webb championed the idea of the so-called pivot to Asia, a rebalancing of Americas strategic and diplomatic posture from the Middle East to the Far Eastan idea that Obama and Clinton subsequently adopted. Webb pushed Secretary of State Clinton to open up relations with Burma, a policy that Clinton includes in her recent book, Hard Choices, as a major achievement. (Obama is travelling to Burma this week.) When I raised the subject with Webb, he seemed annoyed that he hadnt received adequate credit for the Burma policy. People who know him well suggest that part of whats motivating him to consider a primary challenge to Clinton is his sense that she hasnt expressed the proper gratitude.
It remains to be seen whether Democratic voters will care as much about foreign policy in 2016 as they did about Iraq in 2008. And its unclear how Clintons record on the Middle East will look two years from now. If Webb runs, Clinton will face an unpredictable debate about her hawkishness.
At the end of our interview, I noticed a picture of Don Quixote on Webbs wall of military treasures. He laughed when I asked about it. The beauty of Don Quixote is not that he dreamed impossible dreams, he said. Its that, because he believed, he caused other people to believe.
dissentient
(861 posts)to consider regarding 2016. More Democrats need to start talking about the struggles of the lower classes, this is part of what Democrats need to focus on again. Like John Edwards did in his campaigns.