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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:14 PM Jan 2015

Kosher Grocery Assault Confirms Worst Fears of French Jews

The worst fears of France’s already tense Jewish community came to be on Friday when an assailant believed to have killed a policewoman the day before took hostages at a Kosher supermarket in eastern Paris.

The suspect was killed when police stormed the market and several hostages were reportedly freed, but the fate of others remains unclear. Prime Minister Manuel Valls told reporters earlier that the suspect, believed to be Amedy Coulibaly, 32, had ties to the gunmen in the terror strike on Charlie Hebdo on Wednesday, who were killed in a separate police operation on Thursday.

The assault on the Kosher supermarket shook the Jewish community in France and abroad. As dual hostage situations unfolded, police ordered the closure of all shops in the tourist-filled Jewish neighborhood in central Paris, far from the supermarket under siege in the city’s east, according to the Associated Press. And ahead of the Sabbath Friday evening, the iconic Grand Synagogue of Paris was closed, USA Today reported.

http://time.com/3661697/paris-terror-attack-kosher-grocery-jewish/

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Kosher Grocery Assault Confirms Worst Fears of French Jews (Original Post) oberliner Jan 2015 OP
I think many people here can understand the TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #1
Far too many have forgotten leftynyc Jan 2015 #10
I used exactly the same words this morning talking to a friend. This is a dangerous situtation and jwirr Jan 2015 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Jan 2015 #2
And exactly how did Jews even play into this? Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #3
Beyond "us vs them"? I've no clue of why. uppityperson Jan 2015 #4
That's my point. My community wasn't even involved, yet is now a target. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #5
ETA this and previous post. uppityperson Jan 2015 #6
Unbelievable, isn't it. grossproffit Jan 2015 #9
what, that what I wrote was misunderstood? I edited, trying to explain I was uppityperson Jan 2015 #13
I think the roots of this attack lies in the ME and the feelings between the Arab states and Israel jwirr Jan 2015 #24
I self deleted because I am not able to find the words to expresses what I mean and uppityperson Jan 2015 #31
Live not in fear. That didn't work out so well for European Jews in the 30's and 40's. pnwmom Jan 2015 #7
I was talking about the larger picture of PEOPLE, not about Jewish people. uppityperson Jan 2015 #12
The Jews in France don't have the luxury of TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #16
I know. excuse me for ranting about how awful it is. uppityperson Jan 2015 #18
We'll see. TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #21
I do not understand people hurting each other, feeling those ways about each other uppityperson Jan 2015 #25
If the Front National is as stupid as US wingnuts, the only deaths will be Sikh men. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #26
Jews have not been attacking Muslims in France, so I view your post as a red herring. Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #8
I am talking about the larger world wide problem, not about French Jewish people uppityperson Jan 2015 #11
The problem is that the OP is about French Jewish people. pnwmom Jan 2015 #17
And there will be assholes who will use this as an excuse to hurt them. uppityperson Jan 2015 #19
You hit the nail on the head! GitRDun Jan 2015 #20
What's even worse is this has emboldened the Neo-Vichi far right party, Front National MohRokTah Jan 2015 #14
Its open season on Jews worldwide. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #15
It's their home. grossproffit Jan 2015 #22
I'm sorry Islamic fighters are killing other Muslims in obscene numbers. KeepItReal Jan 2015 #27
That poster said nothing about Jews being the majority of victims. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #29
True. Islamic fundamentalists will kill each other over TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #30
Because it is their home. Why should there not be? uppityperson Jan 2015 #28
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
10. Far too many have forgotten
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jan 2015

the bodies are still warm and have moved onto figuring out what we can do to not piss off the vermin who get pissed off about cartoons and murder people shopping for the Sabbath. The "larger" picture is much too important for them to waste time with these piddly details (spit).

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
23. I used exactly the same words this morning talking to a friend. This is a dangerous situtation and
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jan 2015

blaming everyone in a group is not the answer.

I am sorry that Jewish people are getting attacked.

This has to stop before it gets so bad we cannot stop it again.

Response to oberliner (Original post)

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
4. Beyond "us vs them"? I've no clue of why.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:28 PM
Jan 2015

I do not understand the living in fear, hating and hurting each other thing. Sorry.

ETA, maybe hurting each other to give others the excuse to continue the cycle? I do not understand this.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
6. ETA this and previous post.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:32 PM
Jan 2015

I do not understand this way of thinking or being, hurting each other to continue hurting each other. And I apologize for coming across as displaying as I in no way meant to.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
13. what, that what I wrote was misunderstood? I edited, trying to explain I was
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:53 PM
Jan 2015

writing about people, about the whole let's hurt each other crap. That is what I meant and my apologies for coming across reading like I meant otherwise.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
24. I think the roots of this attack lies in the ME and the feelings between the Arab states and Israel
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jan 2015

there. Once it starts Jews all over the world are pulled in.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
31. I self deleted because I am not able to find the words to expresses what I mean and
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jan 2015

do not want to add to the pain from all of this crap

Jerks used some excuse to assault a kosher store, and I do not know what that excuse could possibly be that would make any sense. I do not understand the "us vs them" mentality of too many people, or the need to fear or hate someone who may be different than yourself. This whole thing is heartbreakingly awful and I fear too many will use it as an excuse to hurt others.

My apologies for posting poorly, my thoughts and words are not meeting up well.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
7. Live not in fear. That didn't work out so well for European Jews in the 30's and 40's.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jan 2015

But now if they all just held hands and sang peace songs . . . .

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
12. I was talking about the larger picture of PEOPLE, not about Jewish people.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:50 PM
Jan 2015

Argh. People all over of all nationalities, creeds, etc etc etc.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
16. The Jews in France don't have the luxury of
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jan 2015

thinking on some grand, philosophical scale. The last time they did that they lost several million people in the Holocaust.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
18. I know. excuse me for ranting about how awful it is.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:59 PM
Jan 2015

Excuse me for being heart broken and ranting abkut how awful that this is, will be used as an excuse to hurt and kill more French Jews and all sorts of innocent people. Excuse me for caring about people.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
21. We'll see.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 04:07 PM
Jan 2015

Although I despise the idea of pushback against innocent muslims in France, I suspect the "pushback" won't be deadly.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
25. I do not understand people hurting each other, feeling those ways about each other
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jan 2015

The world, life, is hard enough without this crap. There is reason to fear and that is heartbreaking

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
8. Jews have not been attacking Muslims in France, so I view your post as a red herring.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:40 PM
Jan 2015

French Jews have been leaving France in increasing numbers due to the bad security situation for them there.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
11. I am talking about the larger world wide problem, not about French Jewish people
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jan 2015

My apologies if I came across that way as I did not mean to.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
19. And there will be assholes who will use this as an excuse to hurt them.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jan 2015

Which I think is awful. And assholes who want to continue the cycle to hurt others. Which I think is awful.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
20. You hit the nail on the head!
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 04:04 PM
Jan 2015

Most of what I see is people assigning blame.

No one seems to want to work together to find ways they can move together emphasizing what we all have IN COMMON.

It's a shame.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
14. What's even worse is this has emboldened the Neo-Vichi far right party, Front National
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jan 2015

It will be worse than it already is for French Jews if the Neo-Vichi gain power.

 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
15. Its open season on Jews worldwide.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jan 2015

they want jews dead.

And just why are there any jews left in France ?

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
27. I'm sorry Islamic fighters are killing other Muslims in obscene numbers.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 04:13 PM
Jan 2015

This Sunni vs Shia religious war is going on non stop in Iraq, Syria.

Then add The Boko Harams of the world killing and kidnapping Christians in Africa...

Jews remain targets of these terrorist, but they are in no way the majority of victims in this murderous cycle.

Behind the Aegis

(53,952 posts)
29. That poster said nothing about Jews being the majority of victims.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jan 2015

However, they are victims nonetheless and had nothing to do with the situation.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
30. True. Islamic fundamentalists will kill each other over
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jan 2015

differences in belief.

We should take note.

Who wants to import a Muslim "Northern Ireland" into their own country? Sovereign nations should take note. The west has had enough fighting over religion. I thought we were over that?

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