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Omaha Steve

(99,582 posts)
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 08:54 PM Jan 2015

See Why ‘The Daily Show’ Couldn’t Find Any Homeless People in Utah






The state's revolutionary new program is changing the course for Americans who are down on their luck.

http://www.takepart.com/article/2015/01/08/daily-show-homeless?cmpid=tpdaily-eml-2015-01-09

January 08, 2015 By Shaya Tayefe Mohajer

TakePart News Editor Shaya Tayefe Mohajer is a journalist who has worked in many corners of the world for major news organizations.


It’s cheaper for the government to just give homeless people a place to live.

Between emergency-room visits, policing costs, and the other little-considered dollars and cents we pay to keep homeless people barely subsisting but alive and without shelter, $12,000 is a small price for low-income housing, according to officials in Utah who made a radical decision to do just that. That’s the bottom-dollar cost-benefit ratio—not accounting for the quality-of-life improvements for the homeless and their communities.

The Daily Show went to Utah to see how the experiment is working out, and here’s what it found:

Video: http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/lntv3q/the-homeless-homed

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See Why ‘The Daily Show’ Couldn’t Find Any Homeless People in Utah (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jan 2015 OP
No, no, no, no, no! immoderate Jan 2015 #1
Sadly, there are a lot of homeless in Utah. Drunken Irishman Jan 2015 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #3
How do you know they are all homeless? Cal Carpenter Jan 2015 #5
Yes, I've talked to several LadyHawkAZ Jan 2015 #7
Yes, I know someone who just visited there freeplessinseattle Jan 2015 #8
I have mixed feelings about the publicity this program has been getting. LadyHawkAZ Jan 2015 #9
straight up lies being sold while the issue festers reddread Jan 2015 #10
kick for Housing First as it was, and as it is reddread Jan 2015 #12
Amazing LadyHawkAZ Jan 2015 #4
The housing first model is neither revolutionary or new Cal Carpenter Jan 2015 #6
the problem is it was "appropriated" by the money go round reddread Jan 2015 #11
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
2. Sadly, there are a lot of homeless in Utah.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 09:12 PM
Jan 2015

Especially downtown. It's a great start - but you'll find a ton of homeless people here hanging out around the shelters, malls and other high-traffic areas.

Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #2)

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
5. How do you know they are all homeless?
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 09:39 PM
Jan 2015

Just because someone is 'hanging out' somewhere (even a shelter, in some cases, as they often provide other services to low-income people) doesn't mean they don't have a place to sleep at night.

Have you talked to all these people and asked them?

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
7. Yes, I've talked to several
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 09:50 PM
Jan 2015

One today on the train.

I live in Salt Lake City. Yes, there really are quite a few homeless here.

freeplessinseattle

(3,508 posts)
8. Yes, I know someone who just visited there
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:50 AM
Jan 2015

& he said he saw more homeless in downtown SLC than in downtown Seattle.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
9. I have mixed feelings about the publicity this program has been getting.
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 02:59 AM
Jan 2015

It's a great idea, it's a fantastic idea, and I hope it succeeds and gets the funding it needs. But all the stories I have seen have carried this bright and happy tone about how we're "ending homelessness in Utah!" as if it's a done deal, and it's nowhere near. People sleep in the streets here, lots of them. We have 4 homeless shelters plus the overflow when it snows or freezes.

The overly optimistic tone just bothers me. Maybe it's just me, but it does.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
10. straight up lies being sold while the issue festers
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 08:41 AM
Jan 2015

there is a HOUSING FIRST program in place being used by areas to fund fairly small housing units for about $11 million dollars.
What they end up with are single occupant rooms, assigned to several dozen selected applicants. In no way making a real dent.
At least in our town, with a little insight you can see who the developer and their connection to the mayor.
all perfectly legal, right?
that is whose problems are being solved.
sort of makes that puff piece look disgusting. which it is.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
4. Amazing
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 09:38 PM
Jan 2015

Especially since I can walk out the door of where I'm sitting right now and find a round dozen just on this block.

Maybe I need a rosier pair of glasses.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
6. The housing first model is neither revolutionary or new
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 09:42 PM
Jan 2015

It is actually quite an obvious solution has had extremely high success rates wherever it has been tried. Better results for the people, less expensive for the city or state that implements it.

It's a shame we make things so much more difficult than they need to be.

Imagine that. Give a person who is homeless a place to live - not for a night, not for 90 days, but for the long term, and they aren't homeless anymore. Give them some supportive services without strings attached and they may actually have a decent life.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
11. the problem is it was "appropriated" by the money go round
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 08:44 AM
Jan 2015

applied to small tenant high dollar projects that are a VERY expensive drop in the bucket.
apparently part of the budget goes to rosey press coverage completely out of sync with reality.

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