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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 07:31 AM Jan 2015

Subliminal, conservative messages in superhero-comics

Only a kid would be anti-establishment.
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Now matter how good you are in your job, you'll never make it if you are a woman. And that's okay.




The solution for poverty is to force poor people outta town.




Because the white people deserve it more than you.

http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_1264_28-cringe-worthy-comic-book-storylines-movies-left-out/



Come to think of it, it seems to me that merely the presence of superheroes leads to more polarization and to a more authoritarian form of government. For example, Watchmen. The differences between our reality and the Watchmen-universe begin minuscule, but then get bigger and bigger. The superheroes get co-opted by the government. Superheroes end up fighting and killing liberal protesters in the streets in the 1970s.

More polarization. The government has the monopole on justice, so they are easily confused with having the monopole on moral. A superhero tries to do what's right. And what's right? Enforcing laws. And what purpose do laws have? Enforcement of the status quo.
The superheroes are a catalyst that lets changes on human society happen on a far extremer scale. Normally, society would change by people changing their minds. But superheroes enhance those changes by making facts on the ground.

What if a superhero would sink Greenpeace-ships for inconveniencing whalers?
What if a superhero went around killing people with extremist ideas?
What if a superhero chose to uphold the law in a dictatorship?
vs.
What if there were a superhero fighting for the freedom to give gay people a certificate and another superhero was fighting for the freedom to deny gay people this certificate?
vs.
What if a superhero had killed CEOs and bankers as a revenge for causing untold billions of dollars in damages and untold millions of lives ruined?

Imagine, you had some sort of super-powers.
What would you do? Make the world a better place.
Would you rather enforce existing laws or try to change things to a state of what you think things are supposed to be like? You would choose what's right over what's legal.
Congratulations. You are now a super-villain.

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malaise

(268,930 posts)
2. This was our bible as undergraduates
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 07:57 AM
Jan 2015


How to Read Donald Duck (Para leer al Pato Donald in Spanish) is an early work critiquing popular cultural forms that has been labelled by some as communist propaganda[1][2] written by Ariel Dorfman and Armand Mattelart it discusses the impact of comic books featuring the Walt Disney Duck cartoon characters (Donald Duck, Scrooge McDuck, etc.). The book was written and published in 1971 in Chile, before the popularly elected socialist president Salvador Allende was overthrown in a US backed military coup.

Dorfman and Mattelart argue that the Duck comics, particularly those featuring the ultra-rich Scrooge McDuck on international searches for treasure, take on an ideological cast that reflects and naturalises American corporate exploitation of Latin American countries. While Dorfman and Mattelart argue in the original text that this is corporate ideology of the Disney Corporation is made manifest in the comic books, David Kunzle's introduction to the 1991 English edition suggests that in the years since the book's initial publication, Dorfman had "taken a more generous view of the comics he excoriated, at least those by [main writer and artist of the Duck comics Carl Barks,] whom he too recognizes as an unrivaled satirist.[3]"


There is a view that the popularity of this Chilean reading of American Imperialism (and the rise of Latin American economists like Prebish and Gunder-Frank) was part of the equation that led to the assassination of Allende and the overthrow of his government and the slaughter of thousands of progressives in Chile.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. I wonder if you are aware of the history of the right wing's attack on comics as subversive and
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jan 2015

communistic, the years of homophobic and red baiting investigations of comic artists in the US? Because there is a big, giant history of such.
Lots of homophobia, anti semitism and red baiting involved, and the comic industry adopted the Comic Book Code of 1954 in order to protect itself from the paranoia of the American right wing....
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/6543/

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. Anything authoritarians can't control is subversive.
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jan 2015

Why is Russia branding russian NGOs as "foreign agents"?

Why is China censoring the concept of time-travel in TV and movies? Because people might start thinking: "If I could change things I don't like..."

Archae

(46,317 posts)
6. It's more and more difficult for superheroes not be cliches.
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jan 2015

I like this comic book "Extinctioners."

Great artwork, good stories.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
8. Comic artists and writers are like any other group..
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jan 2015

Some good, some bad. Frank Miller is a well known right-wing nut job..

If you look at the big picture DC was more conservative and Marvel was more liberal. Notice all the comics you posted were DC..

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