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Paris rally shaping up to be a who's who of world leaders who have suppressed their own journalists (Original Post) kpete Jan 2015 OP
Five points to anyone who can identify all the people in that photo oberliner Jan 2015 #1
Netanyahou & Abbas were reported by MSNBC as standing four people apart from each other. Skidmore Jan 2015 #2
Is this the image they are referencing? oberliner Jan 2015 #10
The anchor person was talking to a reporter but they did Skidmore Jan 2015 #11
All delightfully uncomfortable using the ragged and transparent cloak of protection for free speech to unite them? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #26
The outrage risks being appropriated and hijacked by politicians who are no friends of free speech Denzil_DC Jan 2015 #3
Recommend. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2015 #4
Anyone getting a better appreciation of the surviving Hebdo cartoonist's comment yet? Fumesucker Jan 2015 #5
ouch kpete Jan 2015 #6
I missed that, what was the comment by the survivor, please? nt Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #14
He wasn't particularly impressed with all the new friends they had Fumesucker Jan 2015 #19
Thanks for this. To be sure, this guy is neither a politician, nor a diplomat Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #23
'We vomit' on Charlie's sudden friends: staff cartoonist who did not die kpete Jan 2015 #20
Thanks for the link Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #22
Now there is a grotesquerie worth satirizing. ananda Jan 2015 #7
For them it ain't about free speech. JEB Jan 2015 #8
My childhood friend called me a few minutes ago -she said watching them malaise Jan 2015 #9
This entire week has been like a bullshit parade. But the good thing about bullshit parades... NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #12
I believe kpete Jan 2015 #21
Where is the US representation in the march?? nt B2G Jan 2015 #13
Eric Holder. he is right there in the pictures! nt m-lekktor Jan 2015 #15
Those leaders have journalists gunned down? Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #16
Love your thread title, Kpete. Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #17
Creepy. L0oniX Jan 2015 #18
Really, they've executed journalists? frazzled Jan 2015 #24
Shhhhh...no calling out of radical Islam on DU. These are just crimes committed by Flatulo Jan 2015 #25
I'll be good and bite my tongue. Promise. Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #30
Where's Putin?...nt SidDithers Jan 2015 #27
Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov oberliner Jan 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author mulsh Jan 2015 #29
List of the 'Staunch Defenders' DeSwiss Jan 2015 #31
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. Five points to anyone who can identify all the people in that photo
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jan 2015

Without using Google or the like.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
2. Netanyahou & Abbas were reported by MSNBC as standing four people apart from each other.
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jan 2015

Take a moment to savour the irony of that. Some active and meaningful steps toward peace on the part of those two would help to take some of the tension out of the region. Not all of it because some of this is sectarian within Islam itself. But it would certainly help.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
11. The anchor person was talking to a reporter but they did
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jan 2015

not show a picture as the reporter was relaying this information. It was interesting to hear a guest on MHP's show about half an hour ago point out most of these leaders present are presenting a tableau of hypocrisy since many have engaged in suppression of speech in their own nations.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
26. All delightfully uncomfortable using the ragged and transparent cloak of protection for free speech to unite them?
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 02:05 PM
Jan 2015

Denzil_DC

(7,227 posts)
3. The outrage risks being appropriated and hijacked by politicians who are no friends of free speech
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jan 2015

or liberty, to further their own agendas.

Theresa May up there, the current UK Home Secretary, for instance, is worth Googling if you want to find out how she's following the long British tradition of right-wing Home Secretaries from both Labour and the Conservatives.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
19. He wasn't particularly impressed with all the new friends they had
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:39 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/we-vomit-on-charlies-sudden-friends-staff-cartoonist/ar-AA80tGl

A prominent Dutch cartoonist at Charlie Hebdo heaped scorn on the French satirical weekly's "new friends" since the massacre at its Paris offices on Wednesday.

"We have a lot of new friends, like the pope, Queen Elizabeth and (Russian President Vladimir) Putin. It really makes me laugh," Bernard Holtrop, whose pen name is Willem, told the Dutch centre-left daily Volkskrant in an interview published Saturday.

France's far-right National Front leader "Marine Le Pen is delighted when the Islamists start shooting all over the place," said Willem, 73, a longtime Paris resident who also draws for the French leftist daily Liberation.

He added: "We vomit on all these people who suddenly say they are our friends."

Pooka Fey

(3,496 posts)
23. Thanks for this. To be sure, this guy is neither a politician, nor a diplomat
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jan 2015

which is why he is capable of creating art.

Pooka Fey

(3,496 posts)
22. Thanks for the link
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:46 PM
Jan 2015

Just to be sure and because I can, I always double-check this kind of stuff in "French Version Originale" rather than trusting the "subtitles". Sometimes it can make a difference.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
8. For them it ain't about free speech.
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jan 2015

It's just a photo op and a chance to promote their own repression and maybe even a little action for the MIC.

malaise

(268,846 posts)
9. My childhood friend called me a few minutes ago -she said watching them
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:14 PM
Jan 2015

reminded her of Madame Roland's comment on her way to her execution

"O Liberté, que de crimes on commet en ton nom"!
Oh Liberty, what crimes are committed in thy name!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
12. This entire week has been like a bullshit parade. But the good thing about bullshit parades...
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jan 2015

.

The good thing about bullshit parades is that the clean sparkly pieces of truth really stand out!

Thanks for sparkling, kpete!

Pooka Fey

(3,496 posts)
17. Love your thread title, Kpete.
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:37 PM
Jan 2015

So few words to express so much bitter irony.



To be fair however, and look at the bigger context, they are physically present to show unity against the terrorist attacks. We always have to start at the point in which we all can agree and then work on from there.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
24. Really, they've executed journalists?
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jan 2015

Nice try at deflecting the story away from its real subject, which is an ideological movement that is real, and has killed not just 12 journalists at a satirical publication. It's about an ideology of jihad that has been recruiting young people from around the world for some years and is growing. It's about the thousands upon thousands of Muslims who have been murdered, raped, and beheaded in Syria and Iraq. It's about sending a ten-year-old with a bomb strapped to her chest into a Nigerian square. It's about a belief that says you have a duty to eliminate (literally) non-believers or other-believers. And it's a big problem. It's attractive to a lot of young males.

So no. If you have an issue with Eric Holder expressing an opinion that the government has a right to compel the revealing of a source in particular cases, that's fine. It's an issue too. But it's not THIS issue. And it's not in any way commensurate with what happened in Paris. James Risen hasn't gone to jail (and probably won't), and he certainly hasn't been gunned down or prevented from writing whatever he wants.

It's a question once more of trying to hijack a story about a real-world problem into a juvenile and hyperbolic anti-statist screed. Well, I'll tell you. Proudhonian anti-statism died out a long time ago, when Marxism prevailed. I suppose it's the death of Marxist political philosophy that has allowed the re-emergence of this kind of thinking and tactics. But it is truly an offense not only to governments and civil society, but to journalists as well.



 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
25. Shhhhh...no calling out of radical Islam on DU. These are just crimes committed by
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jan 2015

naughty individuals with no particular agenda.

I know this because even our president and attorney general will not come out and state, in plain English, that we are at war with radical Islam, like the French PM did.

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