The Mocking and Ridicule Must Stop!

[Warren Stupidity]

This sort of hideous hate speech is not a progressive value:

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The racial stereotyping evokes memories of HITLER!



What good can come of this:

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Birfers have made valuable contributions to civilization. Consider for example the art work of Thomas Kincade:
http://thomaskinkade.com/wp-content/themes/TKinkade/images/image.php?src=&w=551&h=367&zc=3

Or the song of Ted Nugent:



Or the book of Orson Scott Card:



Stop the HATE!



Stop it.

[meow2u3]

1. When hell freezes over!

That's when the mocking and ridicule will stop!

[riqster]

2. I hate this OP, and fart in its general direction.

http://m.

[Fred Sanders]

27. "Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time". Priceless.

"Your mother is a hamster and your wife smells of elderberries."

LOL.

[hifiguy]

59. Feche la vache!!

[riqster]

64. I am thoroughly cowed by that remark.

[dissentient]

3. Exactly, and everyone knows exercising and protecting free speech is not a progressive value!

[MiniMe]

4. They never stopped hating Jimmy Carter

For different reasons, but the repubs hate the man. Thanks Ronald Reagan!

[Scuba]

5. Snort!

[Fumesucker]

6. To be entirely fair..

Card was something strongly resembling a liberal when he wrote Ender's Game.

I heard him do his "Secular Humanist Revival" at Chattacon in the early 80's and it was brilliant.

http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/60671

I found this tape while I was looking for a lost disc, and was I ever happy! Orson Scott Card (yep, THAT guy!) delivered these powerhouse sermons at SF Cons in the '80s, and they were a rapturous joy for the thinking man. Having heard that Secular Humanism was a religion, he thought there might be room for a secular humanist evangelist, so he wrote his SECULAR HUMANIST REVIVAL MEETING and began putting on performances. Styled on old tent revivals, Card took them a step further, arguing for logic and reason within the concept of religion that reconciles them both. All I can say is HALLEFUCKINGLUJAH!

http://www.thednastore.com/dnastuff/secularhumanistrevivalmeeting.html

http://mooreslore.corante.com/archives/2005/06/06/second_secular_humanist_revival_meeting.php

[packman]

14. I enjoyed Card's books

especially The Tales of Alvin Maker. Alvin is the 7th son of a 7th son and can do some amazing things . But what is fascinating is the way Card created am alternative history of the American frontier where the Indians had magical powers and ruled the lands west of the Allegany mountains. He salted his series with the pantheon of American history - Jefferson, Washington, Jackson, Franklin, etc. He also drew on American Indian heroes such as Tecumseh and the famous match up at Tippecanoe with William Henry Harrison. All of it fantasy , all enjoyable reading.

[F4lconF16]

15. I own everything by him :P

The 3 books following Ender's game really did it for me. He dealt with xenophobia and a whole bunch of other issues quite well, I thought. After that, I started reading everything he wrote. Thank goodness for $2.00 used books at Powell's, or I'd be even poorer than I already am.

The Alvin Maker series is enjoyable, I agree. I'm not usually into historical fantasy, but I thought the story-line followed history just closely enough to really make it interesting. I particularly liked Harrison's character, even if he was a bad guy. I think Card really nailed his perspective.

I was surprised to hear that he's turned into a homophobic right-winger. Much of his writing is highly empathetic, and there's often a love for humanity that was a big part of why I liked his books. I don't get the disconnect (though maybe he felt differently when he wrote the other books, I don't know).

[Fumesucker]

30. If you haven't heard the Secular Humanist Revival the audio is free at two of those links

It's quite an interesting listen..

[Warren Stupidity]

52. To be fair he wrote one good book, like Nugent had one good song.

Everything else Card wrote, including the rest of the ender series, was horseshit.

[n2doc]

7. Absolutely!

Just think of the hurt feelings!

[Rex]

8. Mockingbirds abound!

AWAY WITH YOU OR I WILL TAUNT YOU A SECOND TIM!

[edhopper]

9. It's just because we live in such a cynical modern era

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[F4lconF16]

20. Love your sig line. nt

[edhopper]

36. Thanks,

Though I enjoyed many of Cards books, I would suggest you don't use him for a tag line here.

Seeing that he is so homophobic.

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/07/sci_fi_icon_orson_scott_card_hates_fan_fiction_the_homosexual_agenda_partner/

[F4lconF16]

39. I know...

Unfortunately, he's one of my favorite authors, and I do like the quote. I will consider changing it, however (I probably will when I can find another quote I like as much). Also, I'm on mobile 90% of the time and forget I have a sig line haha.

Bit of a discussion of him and his work earlier today here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026092463#post6

I don't believe he was always that way. That he is now has always surprised me. Disappointing more than anything else

Edit: whoops, didn't realize that was in the same thread. You could also just look up instead of going to the link, if that pleases you more.

[edhopper]

41. I met him once

he was a nice guy and we discussed his Homecoming novels.
I said they were interesting books with the premiss of God being real, even though it was a computer.
He said not only about a hypothetical real God, but one that is crazy. So he didn't sound like a "good Mormon".
Though later I found out the Book of Mormon was the inspiration for the series.

Too bad he became a bit of a loon.

[F4lconF16]

43. I didn't know that.

Also, I forgot about the homecoming saga: one of his best works, I think. Do you have any idea what from the Book of Mormon inspired him?

Cool that you got to meet him.

[edhopper]

45. Card quote

So, it seemed to me only natural that I should write my Homecoming series -- The Memory of Earth, The Call of Earth, The Ships of Earth. These books are really just another dramatization of the Book of Mormon, only transformed into a science fictional setting, where by fictionalizing it I have the freedom to explore questions of character and society in a way that I couldn't in a more direct adaptation. "

[F4lconF16]

46. Interesting...

Thanks for the discussion. I'll have to go look more into this.

[edhopper]

48. Have a good day.

[TrogL]

10. Another Kinkaid architectural nightmare

What's up with all the fireplaces, especially two in the same room. They're so close to a window that the window will actually melt and sag and the fireplace will lack proper support and eventually collapse. WTF is that rotunda thing in the back and why doesn't it have any windows at all? If it's a dining room it's going to be cold and dark - no fireplaces and the only light is from the little add-on nook that looks like a last minute afterthought. And with only one door how do you get out of that monstrosity when the whole disaster caves in under its own weight?

[Fred Sanders]

11. Kinkade had to be mortal enemies with a structural engineer, but is consistent.

Two fireplaces in the same room...it is a big room though.

[Jack Rabbit]

13. Question: Who lives in Thomas Kincade's houses?

Answer: Anne Geddes' children.

[Arugula Latte]

18. It's okay. God, Jesus and Pat Robertson personally ensure that the cottages hold together.

The power of PRAYER!

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. I'm more concerned by the bridge and embankment with no wall or fence at all

It's an accident waiting to happen.

Maybe the rotunda is Dr Evil's secret missile silo?

[2naSalit]

22. LOL!! But doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy

Like that feeling after a few shots of single malt?

I mean come on guys...

[Dreamer Tatum]

38. Is there anyone more tedious than someone who critiques a Kinkade painting?

"Why, that's not art! That fireplace isn't even to CODE!"

[edhopper]

42. Yes,

people who defend him.

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[Dreamer Tatum]

44. That doesn't amount to a defense of Kinkade.

Except I will say that if he was an avowed lefty, somehow people would find a way to praise his art to the hilt.

He was a pop artist. I fail to see the distinction between his work and 99% of what Warhol did.

[edhopper]

47. I thought his art was atrocious

before I knew anything about him, so no.

If his art was satire, not seriously presented as great art, it would be pop art. As it was, it was just bad paintings done with journeyman skill.

[Warren Stupidity]

49. What Warhol did was original, even while it mocked and replicated.

Nothing Kinkade did was original, and he is going to be forgotten. Warhol holds a place in art history that will not disappear. Kinkade was not a "pop" artist he was a "schlock" artist, and there is a huge difference.

[Dreamer Tatum]

50. Give Kinkade 40 years.

He will acquire Warhol status.

[Warren Stupidity]

51. No actually he won't.

And Warhol achieved Warhol status early in his career, precisely because what he was doing was unique and compelling.

Both his Marilyn and his Campbell's Soup series are now part of the imagery of our collective memory of the 60's. That isn't going to change.

[Dreamer Tatum]

56. Warhol is kitsch pretending to be art.

Kinkade may never have that status, except to people who draw little distinction between kitsch and schlock.

That distinction will lose its edge over time.

When I look at a Kinkade, I think, jeez, is everyone in that house blind? Why are all the lights on?

[TrogL]

61. I call them as I see them

I hated his art long before I found out he was authoritarian

[riqster]

55. Mystico and Janet could do it better:

http://m.

[lame54]

12. Mocking a great album from the seventies?...

Ted may be a hateful bigoted right-wing republican nut bag

but he rocked in the 70's

should have picked Wango Tango (it was ranked seventh on Guitar World 's list of the "100 Worst Guitar Solos)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wango_Tango_

[Fred Sanders]

29. Ted Nugent's one and only good album proves a broken clock is just a broken clock, right only once.

He is also a true Christian, so he says. What are his Christian based ideas for governing?

[lame54]

60. a great album is incredibly hard to do...

It's not a broken clock scenario
he had several great albums and a kick ass double live album in the 70's
he's worthless today but it doesn't help to rewrite history

[treestar]

16. It's not that black and white

Mock anything you want, just consider whether you really want to alienate people or not. I might not want to alienate a billion Muslims or a billion Christians. Birthers, however, are irrational people you can't ally with for anything anyway, so it does not hurt. Likewise with Alex Jones types.

[Bluenorthwest]

23. I mock those who loudly proclaim that I am the alien, the sinner, the disordered, the defective

How exactly would I 'alienate' people who already think I am less than human and hated by God? How would people who mistreat my community 'ally' with us for any cause? How are such bigots rational, while those you cite are irrational. I think calling gay people second class, disordered, in need of the lash is fucking full tilt irrational. Why don't you?

[treestar]

62. I guess because of the history

They are in the conservative position, we are in the wanting-change position, mocking them doesn't make them any less confident. In fact, it lets them play victim. I don't think any of the progress made by gays and women and POC have been as a result of mocking the majority at the time. Probably more by appealing to their conscience. I have not seen suffragettes mocking the men of their era so I didn't get under the impression that women now have the vote because they made fun of men who didn't want them to.

[Arugula Latte]

17. Moran Guy haz a sad from all the mocking!

[Warren Stupidity]

19. !

This is the seminal GD Mockery. The Ur Mock.

[riqster]

28. MullettMock!

[Warren Stupidity]

40. You are punching down!

You bad mockerer.

It seems we've reached the third line of defense. The Bad Mockery is Down.

Except when it isn't.

[riqster]

53. Dude, I am SO totally down with mockery,

And I can down lots of punch. Especially if it is spiked.

[KittyWampus]

24. Punching up or down? Why did you post those and not a black person eating watermelon?

Edit- or a Jew counting money?

[Warren Stupidity]

25. um, hmmm, because we don't do that sort of mocking here on DU?

On the other hand I do support the rights of racist shitheads to publish their racist shit.

[KittyWampus]

26. Your OP shows you can't distinguish between punching up or down. And that point

flies right over your head.

[randys1]

31. Most of this punching is necessary...

Teaparty, rich rightwing assholes spreading hate, that is who he is punching up at.

Now, it is true that the average rank and file teapartier is a complete moron, dumb-ass, who for some legitimate reasons may be unable to change and grow up given their environment, so to that extent there could be an argument for not punching down on them.

It is very difficult not to mock someone who will break land speed records getting to a voting booth to vote for someone who is trying to kill them, but we probably shouldnt.

What do you do with 50 million people who are so fucking stupid, so fucking full of hate and intolerance, that they are trying to destroy all life as we know it?

[Fumesucker]

32. Religion has a protected status in society nearly worldwide

A substantial number of governments around the world are theocratic in nature, many of those are Islamic.

Punching the second largest religion isn't punching down, that's what flies right over your head.

[KittyWampus]

34. But not in France.

Edit- AND not one of the cartoons in the OP show a Christian.

[Fumesucker]

35. As a member of the most hated minority in America I know a little about punching down

Even the money in my pocket mocks me.

[Cosmic Kitten]

33. Politically correct mocking and ridicule?

[Warren Stupidity]

37. My op was not about up or down.

You asked about racist mockery, I answered.

So mocking birfers is punching down. Ok with you? Or bad mockery?

[rock]

54. Now!

http://www.hulu.com/watch/19312

[progressoid]

57. I will stop it.

Only when I go to sleep. Then my dreams mock me.

[Warren Stupidity]

58. Real life mocks me.

[99Forever]

63. As Salman Rushdie so perfectly stated it"

“The moment somebody says, ‘I believe in free speech, but,’ I stop listening,”