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Tue Jan 20, 2015, 02:23 AM

 

Toll Of 5 Years Of Drone Strikes: 2,400 Dead .The U.S. drone program under President Barack Obama

The U.S. drone program under President Barack Obama reached its fifth anniversary on Thursday having tallied up an estimated death toll of at least 2,400 people.


Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International issued a pair of reports in October fiercely criticizing the secrecy that shrouds the administration's drone program, and calling for investigations into the deaths of drone victims with no apparent connection to terrorism. In Pakistan alone, TBIJ estimates, between 416 and 951 civilians, including 168 to 200 children, have been killed.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/obama-drone-program-anniversary_n_4654825.html

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Reply Toll Of 5 Years Of Drone Strikes: 2,400 Dead .The U.S. drone program under President Barack Obama (Original post)
glasshouses Jan 2015 OP
yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #1
glasshouses Jan 2015 #2
YOHABLO Jan 2015 #3
glasshouses Jan 2015 #4
Skittles Jan 2015 #5
glasshouses Jan 2015 #7
Scuba Jan 2015 #8
Adrahil Jan 2015 #25
glasshouses Jan 2015 #6
RiverLover Jan 2015 #9
wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #10
Oklahoma_Liberal Jan 2015 #11
elias49 Jan 2015 #16
Adrahil Jan 2015 #26
elias49 Jan 2015 #28
Adrahil Jan 2015 #29
elias49 Jan 2015 #30
Adrahil Jan 2015 #31
elias49 Jan 2015 #32
woo me with science Jan 2015 #12
KG Jan 2015 #13
PatrickforO Jan 2015 #14
benz380 Jan 2015 #15
stevenleser Jan 2015 #17
Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #18
stevenleser Jan 2015 #19
Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #20
stevenleser Jan 2015 #21
glasshouses Jan 2015 #22
Adrahil Jan 2015 #27
woo me with science Jan 2015 #23
SidDithers Jan 2015 #24
Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #33
woo me with science Jan 2015 #34

Response to glasshouses (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 02:24 AM

1. Holy cow

 

That is scary. He is getting closer to Bush numbers. He was at 4800 deaths total (less than a thousand for Afghanistan and about 2600 for Iraq).

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 02:29 AM

2. He's never going to top the Total dead that Bush caused

 

How many Iraqis died in the 8 years Bush was in?

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Response to glasshouses (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 02:29 AM

3. Sorry folks but for the continuance of this program he will leave the WH tainted. Shame.

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 02:34 AM

4. It's a bad policy that he ramped up

 

It keeps our guys safe but even one child killed because he or she was in the wrong place is one too many.

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Response to glasshouses (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 02:38 AM

5. do you mean by our guys, the guys shouldn't be there?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 02:40 AM

7. He could bring them all home

 

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Response to glasshouses (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:57 AM

25. I don't disagree... But the only way to not have collateral damage...

 

... Is to do nothing at all. That is, of course, a position one can take, but I think it's a bit of a Polly Anna position. The real world is very messy.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 02:39 AM

6. Another thing

 

I remember how upset I felt when just 2 or 3 years ago the estimate of innocent children killed
by drones was 28

Now it's 200

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Response to glasshouses (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 07:46 AM

9. And this article was written a year ago.

Imagine how much the death toll of innocents has risen since then.

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Response to glasshouses (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 08:25 AM

10. Disgusting!!!

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Response to glasshouses (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 08:36 AM

11. Is it worse that the bombs are delivered by a pilot on the ground and not a pilot in the air?

 

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Response to Oklahoma_Liberal (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:01 AM

16. Yes, I think so...

 

remote control murder. Maybe an individual sitting in Florida, waiting for his lunch break. Then he/she will go home to his family with nary a hair out of place. It's disgusting.

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Response to elias49 (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:59 AM

26. I can't see any difference. Never could.

 

I can't understand your point of view. Would you be happier if occasionally one of our pilots were killed?

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 08:05 AM

28. Well that's what war is about.

 

It makes life cheap when you can eliminate your adversary with a joy stick 5,000 miles from the 'battlefield'.
You don't see that?

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Response to elias49 (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 08:11 AM

29. No. I can't see the difference between....

 

A pilot dropping a bomb from 25,000 ft, and UAV operator doing it remotely. Neither will see the target as anything more than a target on a screen.

And no, war is not about putting people at risk. It's a nasty, brutal thing. And when it must be executed, it should be executed in the most lopsided, unfair manner possible. Hit when they ain't looking and don't give them a chance to strike back.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 08:46 AM

30. Like a video game you mean?

 

Ugh. Can't agree.

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Response to elias49 (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 11:51 AM

31. I think your dividing line is odd.

 

I'd say "video games" are more like the real thing, rather than the other way around. But yeah, technology is here to stay. That technology has also helped us advance precision delivery of weapons to greatly reduce civilian casualties as compared to, say, WWII.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 04:22 PM

32. I'm just tired of this country 'delivering weapons' all over the world.

 

This isn't our planet. As another op points out, we've deployed 'black ops' to 105 countries around the world. Those that don't play our game - won't buy our capitalist system, and our goods - get the poop end of the stick. Or destabilized (Ukraine).
One of the reasons the Vietnam war ended when it did is because the American public SAW what war was about. It's about dismemberment, burned bodies (phosphorous) and children without parents. IMO, you can't get precise enough. Never will.
War is the last vestige of megalomaniacs. Maybe if people could see what the landscape looked like after a major battle during the Civil War they'd say "Enough".

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Response to glasshouses (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 09:44 AM

12. Moral cesspool. Blood, looting, torture, profit, lies.

With a slick, morally bankrupt propaganda machine to sell it all.

I weep for what my country has become.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 09:48 AM

13. c'mon, woo, this country became what it is a long time ago.

the propaganda machine's been selling it since the 1800's

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Response to glasshouses (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:57 AM

14. These drone attacks are war crimes.

I have a friend who makes the point that every president since Truman is guilty of some war crime, except Carter. No shots were ever fired in anger during his administration. And, after leaving office, he has become a great man.

We have to face it, the military crazies are pretty much running the show.

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Response to glasshouses (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:59 AM

15. Next #1 movie coming to a theatre near you! "American Drone" n/t

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Response to glasshouses (Original post)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:03 AM

17. That strikes me as an extremely low death count from a 5 year bombing campaign.

 

In comparison, even the 9th and 10th most devastating bombing attacks of WW2 had five times as many civilian deaths during one attack and the efficacy in terms of the war effort was even more in question than it is for drone attacks.

http://www.onlinemilitaryeducation.org/posts/10-most-devastating-bombing-campaigns-of-wwii/

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:25 AM

18. You're aware that it's probably dumb luck that the girl in your sig line hasn't been droned, yes? nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:28 AM

19. No, it's not. The chances of someone in one of the worlds most populous countries being one of 2500

 

killed in three countries over five years is miniscule. Its not "dumb luck"

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:28 AM

20. Gee, maybe you're right. How many weddings can a girl go to, anyway? nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:29 AM

21. I know I'm right. Thanks for noticing. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:55 AM

22. I guess you proved Obama holds the moral high ground on children killed

 

Your logic is stunning

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 08:02 AM

27. You, they are not randomly selecting weddings to strike....

 

I know that rains on your narrative, but the strikes are not occurring all over Pakistan, but in a very narrow zone controlled by the Taliban.

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Response to glasshouses (Original post)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:49 AM

23. kick

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Response to glasshouses (Original post)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:50 AM

24. Welcome to DU...



Sid

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Response to glasshouses (Original post)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 04:24 PM

33. Oh, shush!! They were killed for their own good...or something. K&R

 

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Response to glasshouses (Original post)

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 10:09 PM

34. kick

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