another Black young man shot with hands up.. this is nothing but modern day legal Lynching

[1handclapn]

they don't need much of a reason, no reason here at all.. J walking, selling a cigarette. the District Attorney needs to be prevented of any contact with the Grand Jury.. they manipulate the proceedings to deliberately get the murdering cops off free. their favorite is charging the cops with 1st degree murder.. cant be proved so they go free. let the grand jury do their job, the DA's job is in the court. THIS HAS TO STOP.!!

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/cop-tells-new-jersey-man-show-hands-and-not-move-then-shoots-him?akid=12709.315748.vZ_hQz&rd=1&src=newsletter1030648&t=3

[hollysmom]

1. Let me break this to you

this was south of the mason dixon line.

I think all police have to take panic courses, everything is seen as dangerous and scares them. See, the Newark cops would find a way to fix that video. They are pros at getting people and covering things up , this sounds like a kiddie cop.

[brer cat]

7. Bridgeton, New Jersey

is south of the mason dixon line?

[hollysmom]

9. well if you live here, you think of it like that

politifact says it does not, but the people who live there, believe it does - so you kind of an emotional decision, while it physically may not, mentally many of the residents think of themselves as south of there - it is a state of mind if not a physical reality. Factually no, but mentally yes. Some times I find is scary in that part of the state.

The KKK was and is active down there.

[TorchTheWitch]

2. shot by a black officer

Who also knew the guy - a career criminal that had shot at three troopers when a teenager.

A handgun was recovered from the car.

The officer told him repeatedly to not move yet he got out of the car.

[TheKentuckian]

4. All cops are of the blue race in uniform and I suspect the black ones would be out of uniform too

except the individually racist ones can't discern them from "thugs" like me without it so on occasion they are reminded they aren't full members.

They can forget real, real good at times though.

[TorchTheWitch]

6. miss the part where the guy was known to this cop?

and that he was a career criminal that had shot at troopers in the past?

[TheKentuckian]

12. No, just don't care because it is rationalizing.

[Lurks Often]

19. Might want to look in the mirror, you're the one who seems to be rationalizing.

The facts are we have a felon, known to the officer involved, who had recently been released from prison for shooting at police; who failed to obey the orders of the police officer; with a handgun in the glove compartment visible to both the police officer and the felon.

This is a legitimate use of force and no charges should filed.

[Comrade Grumpy]

20. He was holding his hands in the air. No gun.

Your position seems to be that if cops are scared, they can kill you.

[Lurks Often]

21. Was he now?

Here is the video, while not graphic, some may find it disturbing:

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The officer repeatedly tells Reid not to move, at no point does he tell Reid to get out of the car. Despite repeated verbal commands by the officer not to move, Reid choses to exit the vehicle. After watching the video, I only saw the right hand raised to shoulder high, not over his head. What, if anything was in Reid's left hand? Why did he ignore the numerous commands not to move? Reid had been arrested before, he knew what was expected of him. Why was there a handgun in the glove compartment? NJ doesn't give out CCW permits unless you are famous, rich or politically connected. Even if legally owned by the driver, he was in violation of NJ requiring him to the transport the handgun in a locked case inaccessible to the driver, in other words, in the trunk of the car. Certainly the driver knew what was expected of him and complied.

Relevant is the fact the Reid had recently been released from jail for shooting at police and that was known to at least one of the police officers involved in the shooting.

At 1:45 Reid is standing and his hands are coming up, they were NOT over his head, the first shot appears to be fired at 1:45 or 1:46 and the last shot is fired at 1:47.

[Taitertots]

22. Summary execution for trying to get out of a car. Why do you think that is acceptable?

Or is it summary execution for insubordination?

Either way it is murdering someone for an act that no reasonable person would think endangers the officers life.

[TeeYiYi]

3. That cop is nuts!...

His irrational, elevated fear sounded like he was having some sort of psychotic breakdown. You could see through the rear window that the driver was complying. The cop's adrenaline seemed to spike off the charts.

Crazy.

TYY

[TorchTheWitch]

14. it wasn't the driver who was shot

And because he was doing what he was told. The guy that was shot refused to show his hands, reached for something and then jumped out of the car... and he didn't have his hands up. The officer was also grappling with him while he was still in the car and yelling at him to stop reaching for something, to stop moving, to show his hands, etc. none of which the guy did, and without warning jumped out of the car.

The guy was also personally known to the officer and was a career criminal that had in the past shot at three troopers. Knowing how dangerous the guy was, that he refused to cooperate with anything he was told even with a gun pointed at him and jumped out of the car anyway was fucking asinine. How anyone can call of the officer irrational and having a psychotic break even is what's crazy.

[TeeYiYi]

15. Well, clearly you are correct…

I jumped the gun by not paying closer attention to the video.

I've watched the video again, several times, and I was pretty much wrong about everything.

Also, the cop removed a gun that was in the glove compartment. The passenger was obviously up to no good.

Thanks for the clarity and providing the incentive to take another look.

TYY

[Miigwech]

5. Unreal

This has got to stop !!!! I have said it before and caught hell for it --- these cops that shoot first have been trained to do so. Where? In the military. Many of our cops today have served in our recent wars and still have the war zone mentality or suffer from PTSD to varying degrees. I am not trying to dis any veterans because I think the majority are great Americans but shiat ..... the answer for all this trigger happy policing is right in front of our faces. This is the third rail of the discussion on police brutality.

[aikoaiko]

8. Nothing will happen because Reid got out of the car when the officer said don't move

[Nye Bevan]

10. Disobeying a cop should not automatically result in a death sentence,

the only exception being when the cop truly believes that his life (or someone else's life) is in danger.

[aikoaiko]

13. I agree, but one cannot know what a cop truly believed

One uses cop and witness testimony as well as evidence to decide if a reasonable person/cop might think they had reason to fear grave or life threatening injury.

In this case with a gun in the car and direct orders not to move and being 3feet away with a gun drawn, getting out of the car can reasonably be seen as the first step toward moving on the cop.

I'm not saying that was Reid's intent but a reasonable person could see it that way which is why nothing will happen to the cop.

Does anyone know if a gun in the glove box is legal in NJ? I don't know NJ laws well but I know they are insanely strict.

[Lurks Often]

16. NJ doesn't issue carry permits* and the gun should have been locked in a case in the trunk

and since at least the passenger was a convicted felon, even if it was the driver's gun and it was legally owned, he would have probably been charged with multiple crimes.


*Unless of course you are rich, famous or politically connected.

[BubbaFett]

18. It shouldn't

but that doesn't it mean it won't.

[sabrina 1]

11. That sounds like murder to me.

We are far more interested in what is going on in France, than what is going on right here regarding terrorism.

The system is rigged. The Prosecutor WILL be presenting the case. Who is going to stop them from continuing a system that has worked so well for them?

RIP to another victim of Police Brutality in the Land of the Free!

[bigtree]

17. I don't know about 'lynching.' I definitely think there's fear involved.

...moreover, there's a devaluing of black lives which is clearly in evidence in many of these police shootings, given the wide disparity in treatment of suspects and in encounters between police and black individuals vs. their treatment of whites in arrests, convictions, and, sadly, in killings.