INFOGRAPHIC: A Huge Map of the World's Religions

[Fred Sanders]

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http://www.businessinsider.com/infographic-map-world-religions-2012-4#ixzz2mjNJmExx

[4now]

1. How sad

People believing in invisible gods and demons.

[Coventina]

2. Sad to see the racist, homophobic, violent, and misogynistic Abrahamic faiths dominate so much of

the planet.

[Nye Bevan]

5. Believe it or not, Jesus Christ was not "racist, homophobic, violent or misogynistic".

And there are people out there who try to follow "do unto others as you would have done unto you", "blessed are the peacemakers", "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", etc. Does it make you cry that President Obama is a Christian?

[WestCoastLib]

8. Or even a real person...not that it matters

[bananas]

11. Obama's not a real person? Because he doesn't have a birth certificate?

I didn't realize their were birthers on this website.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

50. i believe s/he was referring to Jesus.

[bananas]

10. It's disturbing to see so much religious prejudice and intolerance on a supposed liberal website. nt

[Fred Sanders]

18. Not liking intolerant religious folks does not mean you have to also be intolerant. But, free speech

[malaise]

58. Imagine no religion

Just saying!

[Bluenorthwest]

15. Even Obama used his faith as a weapon of denigration toward LGBT people 'I am a Christian!' he would

bellow 'so I oppose marriage equality'. That offended me and also the bulk of my Christian family who all support equality and did not much care to be told that they were not Christians in Obama's eyes.
He cast that first stone. Then he cast more stones. For years.
These acts of unkindness are not without results, and in that faith those who harm others are supposed to make amends.
Christians on this website rallied around for Rick Warren, days after he called gay people many vile things. This Party honored Warren for his vicious hate speech. LGBT people were hounded for objecting to those insults.
Religious people grant themselves warrant to preach against others, then later they say 'but we are like Jesus'.
It's not the religion that makes me cry, it's the stark hypocrisy and self service of the religious that makes a decent person weep.

[PeaceNikki]

20. Opposing bigotry is not bigotry.

“Tolerating intolerance is not, in fact, tolerance. It is merely the passive-aggressive enabling of intolerance.”

[wavesofeuphoria]

24. Actually, looks more like criticism and pointing out hypocrisy.

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Those are not the same as hate and intolerance. Hate is more like, my beliefs say you are "evil", so you are "evil" and not worthy of rights or human respect (and the actions that accompany that). Intolerance is more codified hate -- because you are not worthy I will seek to minimize and dehumanize you.

criticism is not hate nor intolerance

[Bluenorthwest]

26. Uh not at all. I'm a skilled Christian theologian unlike yourself. The post I responded to I could

rip to shreds using only the words of the Christ. That poster claims for himself and for Obama the very being of the Christ, claiming those of his faith never 'cast the first stone' but that's a lie. A lie. All of those preachers Obama employed to condemn LGBT people hurled stones at us. For a year. Obama himself used his faith as a facade from which to snipe at LGBT people and he did in fact claim his faith as being defined by opposing LGBT equality and that most certainly did offend many Christians I know who did not agree with Obama's bigoted dogmas.
I'm calling out great self service and hypocrisy in human behavior, people who do wrong toward others and then later claim they never, ever do such things.

That poster asked a question. I think Obama made a gross misuse of his faith in that campaign. What he did would have been described in my childhood church as 'blasphemy' because he made us of the divine for the sake of his own agenda, and identified his own views as being the views of God.

[Fred Sanders]

27. The politics and the nation were not ready yet for that. Times changed. Maybe Obama changed.

It is a good thing.

Doesn't Christianity teach to forgive and embrace the repenter? To reward those that, for whatever reason, have become more tolerant?

And shouldn't Obama be held up as an example of how that change can occur, to encourage others?

As institutions of tolerance, shouldn't good Christians and good Atheists hail Obama as the example of the attitude adjustment?

I don't get it.

[Bluenorthwest]

31. You leveled accusations at me that were false. I see no repentance in a 'faith community' that

continues to behave as they do. If those who denigrated and insulted us for years admit their wrongs, cease the behaviors and seek to make amends then ask for forgiveness then their faith, not mine, teaches that it is best to forgive. I would agree. But I do not forgive people who are still making excuses (bad timing for the politics) or claiming such abuses never happened at all (we never throw the fist stone). The playing of the 'Obama is a Christian' card as if Obama's faith had not been used as a weapon against others for his own benefit suggests that the 'faith community' has no idea what they did wrong and thus forgiveness can not be theirs. It's how it works.

I object to specific wrongs done by 'faith' toward LGBT people, you respond by calling me intolerant. That would not be the response of a repentant person. At all.
Next.

[Fred Sanders]

32. I equally object. I am not even sure what we are arguing about.

[Bluenorthwest]

37. You said this to me: "You are preaching the same hate and intolerance you preach against."

That is not at all truthful. You have no standing to object equally as you have not been insulted equally, and because it was you who started flinging the accusations and insults.
For a man of faith, you are very lacking in basic interpersonal ethics.

[Fred Sanders]

38. Yes, now I remember. Please do not assume who I am, the Internet is not for personal assumptions, maybe

I am not actually Fred Sanders?

Here is an interesting example of how that all works:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6121090

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/20/1359055/-An-amazing-woman-feeds-a-troll-on-MLK-Day-and-it-was-nothing-short-of-inspirational

[Bluenorthwest]

40. Now you remember? You said that in this thread, you hurled the first stone.

Self serving hypocrites who give themselves warrant to attack others then pretend they have not done so. Great stuff.

[NCTraveler]

43. You shouldn't have to read stupid shit like Flanders posted above.

It should be no part of this message board. That being said, comments like that directed toward you keep the fire and fight alive for many of the allies you have who are not being oppressed every day. I'm clearly not excusing the comments in any way. But some positive does come from them. To read that on this board is heartbreaking and stupid, at the very least.

[beam me up scottie]

56. "Flanders"

Regretting the post I made the other day where I said Fred was a good guy.

Wasn't that familiar with him but I've seen enough.

[SammyWinstonJack]

61. Flanders.......

[Coventina]

34. No, Jesus was not, but institutionally the Christian Church has been, and largely (the Catholic and

Orthodox Churches combined are a majority of Christians) remains so.
And, the Pauline Epistles, which make up the bulk of what Christians consider their New Testament, are hardly missives of tolerance.

The early Christian Church even had a debate as to whether women had souls or not.



So, yeah, please emulate Christ and forgive me if I refrain from praising Christianity as a whole.

[Fred Sanders]

39. Gandhi said the same thing...I am with you and the world's greatest example of peaceful resistance, but I am no

Gandhi......who is?

[snooper2]

46. Yeah, people who follow the happy parts of their holy books aren't the problem though

It is the people who follow ALL of their holy book including the evil parts that cause trouble-

IE Fundies

[Nye Bevan]

48. The trick is to make your "holy books" the Gospels, and forget the other stuff.

Pretty much all good stuff there (well perhaps Jesus got a little violent throwing the money-changers out of the Temple, but many would excuse him for that).

[Donald Ian Rankin]

51. He was almost certainly one of those, and nearly two.

Yes, he almost certainly wasn't racist or violent.

But he almost certainly *was* deeply homophobic, and while I'm not sure it would be accurate to describe him as "misogynistic", he was almost certainly immensely sexist and chauvinistic.

The oft-cited claim that there is not one line in the Bible attributed to him on the subject of homosexuality is *not*, as often claimed, evidence that his views on it matched those of 21st century liberals, it's evidence that his views on it matched those of the religious tradition he came from, and of his immediate followers (whose views on it are well-documented) and beyond "I come not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it" he didn't feel the need to change anything.

[Nye Bevan]

52. So not a single Gospel verse to document his "deep homophobia"?

Nothing along the lines of President Obama's comment that "marriage is between a man and a woman, God is in the mix"?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

53. Yes, several such verses.

Romans 1:26-27
1 Corinthians 6 -10
1 Timothy 1 -10
Matthew 5:17

Jesus didn't comment specifically on same-sex marriage, of course, because he would have thought the idea laughable, but Matthew 19:3-6 arguably parallels your quote from Obama.

[Nye Bevan]

54. That's like saying that anyone who ever urged "respect for the law",

prior to gay marriage being legal, is a homophobe. Kind of a stretch there.

[WestCoastLib]

3. Why is Atheism in the graphic

It's not a religion no matter how much trouble believers have fathoming it.

[Fred Sanders]

4. It is under the "Irreligious" categorization.

[WestCoastLib]

6. Its a list of "the world's religions"

Atheism should not be on there.

[bananas]

12. Atheism is one of the most interesting religions - it is full of contradictions.

For example, polling shows that of self-identified Atheists:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x176738

21% of atheists and 55% of agnostics believe in god

8% of atheists and 17% of agnostics are absolutely certain god exists

<snip>

[wavesofeuphoria]

14. Atheism is not a religion.

Please stop perpetuating that idea.

[beam me up scottie]

60. Well duh.

Self-identified atheists thinking they can believe in gods and still be atheists = atheism is a religion.

[Archae]

7. Where's Pastafarism?

[Fred Sanders]

9. No idea. Lot of "what is that?" in the graphic.

[bananas]

13. Today was Wednesday, did you miss dinner again?

[snooper2]

47. apparently it doesn't count, I tried to use it in the "Prayer Circle" here on DU

and the mighty leader isn't having any of it-

Even though various states have allowed the holy colander to be worn while getting DL pictures-

[Bluenorthwest]

16. Here's a link to a map of the 78 countries which have laws against being gay. How do the two maps

compare?
http://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/

[Fred Sanders]

19. The graph was for informational purpose, not for discussing all of human prejudice.

[PeaceNikki]

22. This is a discussion board and the participants are free to point the discussion any way

they see fit and relevant.

[Fred Sanders]

23. And if it is irrelevsnt to the intent of the OP writer, you can just ignore it....of course you can.

But should you?

[PeaceNikki]

29. I get it. Any reply beyond "interesting" is a diversion to your discussion.

Cool.

[Bluenorthwest]

35. What is the intent of the OP?

According to the SOP of GD, religion as a stand alone subject is not welcome in GD. Thus, when religious subjects are posted here, one can assume they are posted as political subjects to be discussed, not venerated.

[Fred Sanders]

36. Info graphic. Information. Without information and facts there is no debate, there is argument.

I am not just making that up.

The OP makes no comment, it provides information and facts, it was my only intent.

BusinessInsider had the same intent, I just cut and pasted.

Maybe that was why it was not locked, information should not be locked.

It never even occurred to me it might be locked. I can be rather naive, some say.

[Bluenorthwest]

41. So the intent was to give information but you are offended that I gave information?

How do you work that one out?

[Fred Sanders]

44. There is a difference between information without comment and comment without information.

[beam me up scottie]

55. Bnw's post #16 provided both information and intelligent commentary.

Puts the op and lame attempt to stifle discussion to shame.

[Bluenorthwest]

28. Is it blasphemy against your OP to discuss the facts? Is there some DU rule that says Fred's

religious promotions must not be sullied by information about bigotry within religion? If not, fuck off this is a discussion board, you opened the discussion. Maybe that DU rule that says 'no religion is GD' is something to ponder. Because if the question is 'who is not following the SOP' the answer is you Fred.

[Fred Sanders]

30. That is rather unChristian of you...and contradictory of the theology, though I am not a skilled expert

[Bluenorthwest]

33. It is as if you can't read. I'm not a person of religion, although I know more about most religions

than religious people do. And of course, what I posted is not contradictory of that theolgy at all. Calling out hypocrisy and speaking unvarnished, direct truth is a key teaching of Jesus, although it is not one his followers tend to care for nor obey.
I'd be interested to see what specific statement of mine you found contradictory to which specific Christian teachings. I'm sure your words are just casually hurled stones, without meaning, without any good intention.

[NCTraveler]

45. Great link.

Not something I had seen before.

[annabanana]

21. Interesting graphic

Thanks for posting. (sorry it seems to have stirred shit)

[Fred Sanders]

25. If it is on the Internet stirring shit is all but certain.

They promised us a space station and all they gave us was Facebook and communication without the tone and inflection of the human voice.

Read the Obama SOTU transcript and then watch and listen to his voicing it....not the same thing at all.

Written discussion and conversation and debate is a very poor substitute for Voice.

[beam me up scottie]

57. I see.

Map of world's religions on DU = interesting

Comments by lgbt DUers regarding religious oppression = shit stirring.

Good to know.

And here I thought I was on a political website frequented by liberals.

[annabanana]

63. It was just an informational graphic

Not an endorsement.

[1bigdude]

42. Organized religion is perhaps the absolute WORST idea of mankind EVER! NT

[SammyWinstonJack]

62. +1. nt

[oberliner]

59. Glad to see the secular bubble is growing

Here's hoping it can spread like Islam and Christianity.

[Telcontar]

64. Druze are misplaced

And where are the Alawites?

[yortsed snacilbuper]

65. Real men worship Zeus!