White man astonished to be arrested for attacking a black man.

[Savannahmann]

So here is the story friends. A white guy outside of a walmart saw a black man carrying a concealed weapon. White Guy follows black guy into walmart, and jumps on aforementioned black man. Obviously this black guy is going to be shooting up the place right? So black man objects and says that he has a license to carry a gun. White guy doesn't believe, because who would give a black guy a license to carry. The police are called, arrive, and find that yes, the black man 62 year old Clarence Daniels, does indeed have a license to carry a concealed gun.

The white guy, identified as Michael Foster, was arrested for battery. Here's his mug shot when he was booked into jail.



Here's the video of the jackass attacking the old gentleman.

Here's the story snip.

According to deputies, Foster told them that when he saw Daniels get out his car he caught sight of a gun under his coat, in a holster.

Foster followed Daniels into the Wal-Mart, but did not call 911 before he attacked Daniels nor did he alert security.

Indeed, during the brief struggle, which caught Daniels completely by surprise, he screamed out that he was licensed to carry a firearm, but Foster ignored that and told him to wait for the sheriff's to arrive to decide.

So what lessons have we learned from this story? I can think of a couple right off of the top of my head.

1) Having a gun did not protect anyone from being attacked, despite the propaganda from the NRA about that.

2) A white guy was proven to be a jackass racist by assuming that any black guy with a gun must be a criminal.

Now, I'm betting that Michael Foster will be given a minor fine, because the justice system will reward the wanna be vigilante for attacking a black man. Can't you see the explanation to the judge. Your Honor, how was I supposed to know this was a law abiding black guy? I mean come on, what were the chances of that?

Let's give the idiot of the day a round of applause everyone. Michael Foster, hapless wannabe hero. Oh, and moron.

[brooklynite]

1. I'd say your assessment is as stereotyped as Foster's...

Now, I'm betting that Michael Foster will be given a minor fine, because the justice system will reward the wanna be vigilante for attacking a black man

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that Judges in Tampa are that racist, or is this just a knee-jerk "we all know" comment?

[malaise]

3. Let me see now

Does Trayvon Martin's murder and Zimmerman's escape from justice ring a bell?

[brooklynite]

7. Different county...different age group of victim

[marym625]

9. It's Florida

Look at the arrest, conviction and incarceration length for white v non-white.

Interesting responses. That's the part you focus on?

[jayschool]

25. #FloridaMan

It's always a fun follow on Twitter.

[tblue]

27. Florida.

Nuff said. I'm scared of that state.

[marym625]

61. makes 2 of us

[malaise]

21. Same individual and institutional

RACISM!!

The right to bear arms means the right of whites to bear arms.

[tblue]

30. It was the idea of black ppl having guns

that led to having gun control at all.

This country needs a serious makeover.

[lunasun]

102. +1

[Fred Sanders]

105. The nation needs a complete do over of why it has so many guns, the logic has been turned on

it's head.

[Rex]

23. You got served B!

[uponit7771]

191. +1

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

129. But but but LOL sometimes you have to laugh, my friend, otherwise

[malaise]

170. Agreed

[trumad]

4. it's called history.

[mountain grammy]

60. I'd say, since it's Florida and given the history of Florida,

and if it's a "we all know" comment it's because that's a reasonable conclusion for Florida. Nothing that happens there surprises me any more.

[PatrynXX]

68. everyones just shooting blanks (sic) looking for a racist angle

true I've tried with the Seahawks vss the deflated balls. The racist section was much worse but it's not sticking. and everyone does deflated balls.

I'd heard this story but all it does is outside of race prove that you really need to keep that gun concealed!! ie moron wanted to be an Elliot Ness like in the movie oh but like the movie it doesn't work that way... that and he should be charged with assaulted a white kid while he's at it. that kid coulda gotten hurt. (the one on the second camera on the right ) didn't care about all the kids around nope lets nail him and now all the white kids are scared of who?

[F4lconF16]

169. Yes, because attacking a black man for assumed criminality

and assuming the justice system is racist is the exact same thing

You show your true colors with this post. How sad.

[roody]

175. We will soon know.

[Jesus Malverde]

182. Yep...nt

[Glengoolie]

2. That asshole deserves a year locked away...

Anyone who would just randomly attack another citizen based on their irrational beliefs is a threat to society.

[ileus]

112. but he had a scary holstered gun.

Probably had a threaded barrel, high capacity magazines, 2# trigger, and night sights. All indicators of a unhinged mad gunman looking for a chance to kill everyone in sight.

[Glengoolie]

125. Maybe it was one of those scary 'ghost guns' I've heard so much about...

[ileus]

164. Shoot 100 rounds a second from the clipazine bullet holder thing.

[Arugula Latte]

124. Oh, yeah, real fucking irrational.

Look at all the mass public gun slaughters. This country is filled with gun nuts. Anyone who carries a gun in public should expect this kind of treatment. I don't care what color you are.

[trumad]

5. what if Daniel's was a cop...

Or FBI.... etc..... stupid ass white guy.

[Savannahmann]

10. I'm about as anti gun as anyone around here.

I've posted many times about it. However, even anti-gun me would have noticed a couple things immediately. First, the gun was in a holster according to the reports from our vigilante. That means that it is carried all the time, not just something he jammed into his waistband on a whim. Second, Clarence Daniels was 62 years old. You rarely hear of people within spitting distance of Social Security being violent criminals. So we have someone who is carrying a gun, in a holster, which means that the odds are pretty good that you aren't the first person to see it.

If he is acting furtive, looking around in a suspicious manner, call the cops. (Which I admit to liking slightly more than guns, but only slightly). But don't assume that you're going to be a hero by tacking the black guy who isn't doing anything besides walking.

So the only way that this story makes any sense is the White Guy saw a Black Guy with a gun, and automatically assumed he was a criminal, because you believe that all blacks, or at least a vast majority are inclined to be violent criminals.

[sendero]

17. Just goes to show....

.... how racism overwhelms all rational thought and intelligence.

[Whiskeytide]

35. I think someone must first possess...

... a capability for rational thought and intelligence before it can be overwhelmed.

[oneshooter]

127. Let me ask you, is this comment racist?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=159688

[Fred Sanders]

132. "Racism World Collides With GunNut World".....that is never going to be pretty.

[tblue]

41. If it were up to me

[mountain grammy]

69. Excellent!

It's the guns, guns kill.

[Fred Sanders]

86. Guns make everyone just a little bit more stupid, and racists more racist.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

131. Putting the gun issue aside that we agree on, if the guy was white we arent talking about

this because the other guy doesnt tackle him.

At the most he orally confronts him, but probably not that either.

[Fred Sanders]

135. You can not put the gun issue aside.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

138. I know, the base problem is guns. And we need to enforce the 2nd amendment

which by the way you might like this



http://www.democraticunderground.com/12627918

[Fred Sanders]

143. Thanks. You might like post #41 in this thread. Powerful words.

[Fred Sanders]

134. Should be the national sentiment! Great video.

Thank you.

[Fred Sanders]

51. The lesson once again is you can NOT tell the good guy with a gun from the bad guy with a gun.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

165. "you can NOT tell the good guy with a gun from the bad guy with a gun."

Do tell --





Pictured above: those who would enforce gun control laws and their attitude towards a disarmed citizenry.

[Fred Sanders]

166. One picture pulled from the Internet? I bow to your superior argument...???

Pictured above.......grounds for dismissal of a reasoned argument.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

186. Well, 1 point of argument exceeds your usual count by 1. However, if you think that is the only 1

it shows yet more willful ignorance.

[Fred Sanders]

187. Don't get mad, post another picture to complete your argument.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

195. .

http://www.bing.com/search?FORM=UP50DF&PC=UP50&q=police+shoot+unarmed&src=IE-SearchBox

[Fred Sanders]

196. To be perfectly clear I have as much respect for the NRA and its apologists such as your self as

I do Flat-Earthers and Ted Nugent. I do not come here to debate, I come here to provide emergency medical services at no cost.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

197. The right to self defense existed before and will exist after the NRA.

Your inability rely on facts and your sole reliance on insults and fallacy are well known.

[easychoice]

177. Yeah,if Clarence was FBI or a marshall

dumass would be a guest 3 to 5. If he wasn't dead already.

[oberliner]

6. Why would someone carry a gun into Walmart?

Last edited Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:15 AM - Edit history (1)

Even if they are legally permitted to do so, I don't understand why they would.

[exboyfil]

12. My coworker carries his

specifically because he is going to Walmart. My impression is that he carries it whenever he can. Zimmerman supposedly had his on going to Target before he decided to become Deputy Dog.

[oberliner]

32. Interesting

In my narrow world I haven't heard of anyone doing this, but I am a part of the northeastern liberal elite, as they say, so that might be it.

[Pacifist Patriot]

159. I have two co-workers who brag about carrying everywhere...

just because they can. (Didn't there used to be a puking smilie?)

[leftynyc]

14. I have a friend in our Charlotte office

that brings her gun EVERYWHERE (obviously leaves it home when she visits the NY office). I told her I thought it very sad that she lived in such a place that she felt in danger 24/7/365.

[oberliner]

33. Wow - this is just so alien to me

In my little corner of the USA, I don't even know anyone that owns a gun.

[leftynyc]

42. Oh - I know several

Mostly hunters but I do know 3 off the top of my head that have a handgun in their homes. Two have children so they're locked in a gun cabinet and one who keeps it bedside (they do not have children). It's an issue that gets me off the liberal side a bit - I really don't hate guns at all. I just think universal background checks should be mandatory and anyone who can't wait for a gun for 3 days and NEEDS IT RIGHT NOW has some kind of problem and shouldn't be able to get that gun.

[oberliner]

52. Are you in NYC?

That surprises me even more, if so.

[leftynyc]

65. Work in the city

and live in Westchester county (just north of the city). Yeah, I'm in a minority around here but everyone makes fun of the one in our Charlotte office living in such paranoia.

[Pacifist Patriot]

160. I didn't think I did either.

Oh boy have I found out that was carrying on through life with rose colored glasses. I have been stunned to learn some of the people in my life who not only own guns, but have concealed carry permits. Shocking, truly and utterly shocking.

[uppityperson]

171. That has happened to me several times also, turns out people I never expected to

carry concealed.

[cwydro]

70. I live in Charlotte, and

I grew up in Charlotte.

Believe me, she does not need to carry a gun here.

[leftynyc]

74. I know that

it seems like a lovely place to live for those who like a quieter life. My point was exactly that - I didn't see any need to carry a gun to the movies, or the grocery store, or to work. To think you do requires a certain amount of paranoia.

[cwydro]

82. Indeed.

I also doubt that she is allowed to carry at work.

I work for a large corporation here; guns are not allowed.

One could carry it in a purse surreptitiously I suppose. But why?

[leftynyc]

87. We're a small private company

so she does bring it to work in her purse, others could be doing the same for all I know. She's right wing all the way (hates Pres Obama with the passion of 1000 suns) and went NUTS when he won NC in 2008.

[cwydro]

95. Lol.

I was about to ask you if she was Tea Party.

It's not unusual to see open carry peeps.

But it's not common even out in the rural areas where I spend my weekends.

[dumbcat]

85. Why would someone go to a Walmart?

I don't understand why they would.

[JustAnotherGen]

93. I'm stuck on that too!

[oberliner]

149. Things are really really cheap

Like socks and whatnot.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

137. Never heard of this, you say? Really?

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I can go on, do I need to?

[oberliner]

148. Do these photos not strike you as insane?

In my little northeastern liberal corner of the world, this would definitely be unheard of.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

150. That isnt the point, is it. The point is there is a seemingly endless array of pics and stories of

WHITE PEOPLE walking around with guns and NOBODY is getting tackled.

NOBODY

[oberliner]

151. Yeah I have no idea

Like I said, this is a different universe for me. I would think any of the people in those pictures would be seriously alarming to any shoppers in my neck of the woods, white though they may be.

[bobclark86]

188. I think defending myself from racists would be a good reason, actually n/t

[oberliner]

189. You are going to shoot a racist at Walmart?

I can't say I support that approach to combating racism.

[bobclark86]

190. Well, as I'm not a black guy getting tackled for some random reason, it's not an issue. n/t

[marym625]

8. Why would he think he would be arrested?

Zimmerman murdered a child and wasn't arrested until there was a national call to do so. And then he beat the charges. This guy only attacked.

All the others that jumped on Mr. Daniels. And who did they hand the weapon off to? I guess as long as he was white, it's all good.

What a horrible display of racism. Of course you're going to hold down the black gentleman if the white guy attacked. What else would you do? And dog forbid you should let him up after the gun was taken from him. This guy walking while black is obviously a danger to every decent man, woman and child around. By decent, I mean white, obviously.

Out of control. The rampant racist bullshit is completely out of control.

[kydo]

58. Really?

marym625 never said Trayvon Martin was an innocent child.

marym625 wrote:
8. Why would he think he would be arrested?
Zimmerman murdered a child and wasn't arrested until there was a national call to do so. And then he beat the charges. This guy only attacked.

All the others that jumped on Mr. Daniels. And who did they hand the weapon off to? I guess as long as he was white, it's all good.

What a horrible display of racism. Of course you're going to hold down the black gentleman if the white guy attacked. What else would you do? And dog forbid you should let him up after the gun was taken from him. This guy walking while black is obviously a danger to every decent man, woman and child around. By decent, I mean white, obviously.

Out of control. The rampant racist bullshit is completely out of control.

And besides what exactly was Trayvon Martin guilty of when he was murdered? He wasn't on trial. Oh that's right he is dead and can't defend himself against crazy BS.

[marym625]

80. Thank you kindly. n/t

[marym625]

64. Are you seriously saying this?

On what planet is it okay to kill a child in cold blood?

[marym625]

181. was nice knowing ya

Silly boy. Defending himself against a crazy man with a gun.

What color is the sky in your world?

[MrScorpio]

71. What's the weather like on that planet you're from?

[marym625]

77. Ha!

I just asked about what planet too.

Great minds and all



By the way, he joined yesterday and this is his only post. Gee. Wonder what his agenda is

[MrScorpio]

81. It's pretty obvious what his agenda is nt

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

142. Looks like I missed a racist posting garbage. We can get insulated here at DU where outright

racists are not always tolerated.

The internet is full of millions of very racist, very angry, very scared white people.

HUGE race problem in America

HUGE

[marym625]

156. so true

HUGEis right. Unbelievably so.

[uponit7771]

192. +1

[Vinca]

11. The solution for having reasonable gun laws passed is to arm all the black men . . . legally.

[Fred Sanders]

88. You forgot the sarcasm emoticon.

[Vinca]

161. Maybe I wasn't being sarcastic.

Nothing would get the GOP voting for gun restrictions faster than a half dozen black men in a Walmart emulating white guys shopping for Doritos while exercising their "freedoms."

[Fred Sanders]

162. You forgot it again.

[cwydro]

13. The idiot almost took down a couple kids too.

What a moron.

[leftynyc]

15. I wonder what would have

happened if Mr. Daniels had - after being tackled and held down - pulled out his gun and shot Foster. Would that have been standing his ground? Self defense? According to zimmerman and the jury that exonerated him, it certainly would have.

[Dr. Strange]

16. Another lesson learned from this story:

a lot of DUers are okay with what Foster did. Hell, one person thought that Foster "should have broken his damn arms".

[Duckhunter935]

18. I saw that

pretty fucked up

[Capt. Obvious]

34. Whaaaa?

[GGJohn]

76. Yup, right here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172159686#post1

[mountain grammy]

84. "a lot of Du'ers?"

I question the wisdom of carrying a gun, however, if I was a black man in Florida, I believe I might consider it. That said, I haven't seen a whole lot of support for Foster, just concern about citizens carrying concealed firearms.

[Fred Sanders]

89. Citizens everywhere carrying firearms, concealed or not, is also the story here.

[mountain grammy]

97. Yes, it is. In Colorado we've been cursed with several mass killings.

If I was in a parking lot and saw someone walking getting out of their car with a gun, heaven help me, I would call the police. How could I live with myself if I dd nothing and the carrier shot up the store? Then I think, what if it's a toy or a " a legitimate carrry" and the cops come and blow the guy away, how do I live with myself then?

As for the racial aspect, I think I might hesitate if the carrier of the gun was black, knowing that calling the cops could end badly, especially if he was this man's age, etc.

Guns, guns, guns... who's the good guy with the gun and who's the bad guy with the gun? So hard for us folks to figure out. Guess we'll all have to carry and just shoot first and let God sort it out. That's what my nephew in Texas says.

[Fred Sanders]

98. Guns everywhere are stirring up all kinds of shit everywhere from legislatures to malls to racism.

How are the vast, vast majority of folks who see that shit stirred up everyday by guns everywhere so impotent to change the laws?

No nation or state should be cursed with mass killings using ever so easy to get killing machines.

[HappyMe]

99. Racism would exist without guns.

[mountain grammy]

100. Guns are out of control, that's why we need gun control....

The police forces all over the country used to push hard for gun control, but now they don't want to offend their "base," which include the two psychos who murdered the two cops in Vegas.

America is in a very dangerous place and everyone is packing. I've actually considered carrying my little 22 pistol instead of keeping it unloaded and locked away, and then this happened:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/22/florida-toddler-fatally-shoots-himself-father-gun

Florida again, but it's a daily occurrence somewhere, my pistol stays locked up.

[Fred Sanders]

101. I see a guy with a gun, no matter the race, I go the other way to a phone. What are the odds that

the elder man tackler is an NRA self defence gun owner himself? Therefore perpetually paranoid?

Can you imagine a gun control advocate tackling a guy who is flashing a gun in public?

There are two parallel and related issues in this event, racism and the epidemics of guns and paranoia.

Which is more involved than the other, who knows at this point?

I guess that would be three stories?

[HappyMe]

111. Really? Go to a phone?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026125946#post107

[Fred Sanders]

116. Is this some kind of deep thought technique because it is rather shallow? Serious question.

[sarisataka]

104. Yes a lot...

If you care to peruse these threads-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172159686
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=993833
You will see many posts in favor of Foster's action; along with describing him as a hero, accusations the victim is at fault as he brought the attack on himself and the occasional suggestion that more violence should have been done to Mr. Daniels.

[mountain grammy]

118. I did read those, and there are a few..

but if you see a lot, ok.

Here's the thing. The guy who tackled the carrier was wrong and stupid and lucky he didn't get his head blown off. He probably would have if he didn't have help, and I sure wouldn't blame the carrier.
The carrier was probably lucky his attacker didn't call the cops because. in my opinion, some cops tend to shoot first when a weapon or any threat real or imagined, is present. If one of these cops had arrived, well, who knows.

This good guys with guns and bad guys with guns is getting scary. It means everyone has guns. The kid in the Idaho Walmart could have shot my kid instead of his own mother. This is madness. Guns kill people!! That's why they are manufactured and usually why people buy them. I even own one.... I've had a bear on my deck twice, luckily never had to shoot one.

[Fred Sanders]

120. No gun, no incident, everyone has a pleasant day in the Sunshine State........not

the Gunshine State.

[sarisataka]

123. Is a bear on your deck bad?

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

I can being nervous seeing a person with a gun. I can, and do, support tightening carry laws to include mandatory hands-on training and education on self dense law.

I cannot accept or support pre-crime violence

[mountain grammy]

139. Ha, only if he decides to come into the house..

What's pre-crime violence?

[Fred Sanders]

146. Gunner talk to distract you from the fact we should be talking about The Gun?

Apologies if I am wrong.

[sarisataka]

152. Example

Assaulting a man because you think he could do something bad. Maybe he has a holstered gun, maybe he is walking in a neighborhood and has a different skin color than what is predominate there...

[mountain grammy]

154. Doesn't calling that "pre-crime" violence presume a crime will be committed?

Why bring the word "crime" into an assault on an innocent victim? The assault itself is the crime.

I think the murder of Trayvon Martin was a crime, but was justified as some kind of pre crime action that led to a "self defense" shooting. This is dangerous thinking, in my opinion.

[sarisataka]

155. I say pre-crime

Because that is how this is being justified. Foster had to assault the elderly man because he had a gun and could commit a crime...

As for Travon Martin we are in similar positions. Lokking at the trail and evidence I can understand the jury result. That does not mean I think it is correct or that the actions leading up to the shooting were proper.

[appalachiablue]

198. This pre-crime stuff is dangerous. If you carry mace defensively is that pre-crime?

What about judging pre-robbery, pre-rape, pre-shop lifter, pre-cardiac case, pre-diabetic, pre-pedophile. Nuts.

[uponit7771]

193. few = too many

[ND-Dem]

130. be careful; that thread is full of gun humpers

[Fred Sanders]

141. Like a mini-invasion, what could have suddenly stirred them up?

[BklnDem75]

19. Only one was arrested?

Three dudes held Daniels against his will.

[Enthusiast]

20. It has become shocking to hear of an incident of justice in the USA.

[polly7]

22. I hate guns .......

(my sister in law accidentally shot herself the night before last, she thought she heard something outside in the middle of the night, a coyote or something, and the bullet got her in the neck and down through her shoulder. Something malfunctioned with her gun, I'm not sure exactly how it happened, my brother and their kids are all up there but I haven't wanted to bother them too much except to see if she's ok. It missed killing her by 1/4 of an inch the doctor said, the STARS helicopter team flew down and took her to Regina as her BP was so low, an ambulance trip would have been 2.5 hours. She's going to be fine, but needs surgery. My Dad also died by a gun a few years ago. I've seen many suicides with them working with the ambulance. I realize there is a legitimate use for them in many situations, but I still hate, hate them).

Anyway ..... despite all that, I'm actually glad to see this story. If guns are legal for some, they should be for all, and what a jerk for assuming that black men shouldn't be allowed to legally do what so many white men there seem to proudly show off all the time. An equal playing field. Maybe the next time an armed asshole like Zimmerman stalks a black person, they'll think twice.

But .... I hate guns. Did I say that already?

[4Q2u2]

24. It is a Crime ...

See that is what you get for impersonating a Police Officer. You get busted. The Cops do not like it when others violate Constitutional Rights of Citizens, that is their job.

[WcoastO]

26. Ironically, Foster may have saved Daniel's life.....

a 911 call could have resulted in another "shoot first, ask later" police reaction to an armed Black man.

[freebrew]

37. That's what I was thinking, too...

the cops there don't seem to want to 'waste their time' dealing with cop stuff. Just shoot and be done with it.

[DetlefK]

28. Hahaha. This story was posted on DU a few days ago with a totally different spin.

In that other post the guy without the gun was the hero for jumping on a potential criminal and the guy with the gun was the jackass for looking like a criminal.

[Fred Sanders]

46. Yes, in the Gun RKGB forum he is the hero for tackling an "irresponsible" gun owner who did

not conceal his Precious properly and therefore deserved it as a lesson.

[friendly_iconoclast]

199. Glad to see you keeping up your tradition of evidence-free posts

The only support Foster has gotten at DU is from gun Prohibitionists

[knightmaar]

29. Do adults attack each other a lot in your country?

Because a lot of the Walmart shoppers seem to just walk on by like nothing's up.

[Fred Sanders]

53. America is a paranoid nation due to guns and media terrorism.

[SHRED]

31. there were 3 others involved also

Watch the video.

[Wabbajack_]

36. No one should be carrying around guns

[Fred Sanders]

54. ^^^^^^^^^^^^BINGO^^^^^^^^^^^ Game Over.

[GGJohn]

103. It's legal in every state to carry a gun with a permit,

and there are now 5 states that have constitutional carry with more considering it.
Until such time as carrying a gun is outlawed, and bear in mind that not one state has moved to repeal CC, then it's perfectly legal to carry.
I have a CHL, I rarely use it as I live in a very safe part of my state, but I do have one.

[ColesCountyDem]

38. 'Old gentleman'?

I resemble that remark!

[SHRED]

40. I didn't read anywhere where the white guy was "astonished".

[kwassa]

43. What racist arrogance. I hope they fine him heavily.

Florida Battery Laws & Penalties

The crime of battery is different from assault in that it involves physical contact and not just threats of harm. You may be charged with this offense if you are accused of intentionally striking or touching someone without their consent, or if you intentionally cause bodily harm to another.

This is generally considered a first degree misdemeanor with a potential penalty of up to 1 year in jail and fines reaching $1,000.

However, if this isn’t your first battery charge, you could be facing a 3rd degree felony and up to 5 years in prison.

Ref: FL. Statute §784.03

http://www.assaultandbattery.org/florida/

[Fred Sanders]

45. It was as much as to do with the fear of the gun as race.

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[kwassa]

48. No, it was fear of a black man with a gun.

Get a clue.

[HappyMe]

59. Yes, it was exactly that.

I wonder if Foster has seen a white man carrying in that Walmart - which is completely possible. I wonder if he tackled that white man and faced assault charges for it.

[Fred Sanders]

90. Yes. No gun, no incident. Race played a part, the gun another, fear media another.

[HappyMe]

92. It was fear of a black man with a gun.

Like I said, it cannot possibly have been the first time Foster saw somebody carrying. He's no hero. He's just an ass that assaulted somebody.

[HappyMe]

96. What?

[GGJohn]

83. Wrong......again,

it was fear of a black man carrying a gun.
He's damn lucky it wasn't a cop he attacked, he would be facing much more serious charges than Battery.

[bravenak]

157. That's what I was thinking.

Lucky that guy was not a cop.

[delete_bush]

163. I doubt he'd be around to be charged, as

he'd be DOA.

[Fred Sanders]

44. Should be tackling everyone with a gun wandering around....like the Lone Ranger because....reasons.

When is it going to be clear that these killing machines are rightly feared by all? 50,000 deaths a year, 100,000, a million a year?

The color difference is relevant only to the extent that it is just another version of the same fear that
America is always full of it seems.

Get some balls America, get rid of your useless guns...look, still no tyranny except the one planted in your fertile minds by Fox and hate speech.

If the OP would add..."with a concealed hand gun" to the title....

[hack89]

49. "he should have broken his damn arms..."

one of your fellow gun control advocates posted this - do you support violence against gun owners? If you tackle someone and they resist, do you reserve the right to escalate the violence or will you back down?

[Fred Sanders]

55. No idea what you are saying. None.

[hack89]

57. You advocate violence against gun owners. What level of violence is acceptable to you?

what is acceptable if that gun owner decides to resist being tackled?

[Fred Sanders]

63. Again no idea how you get from A to Z. Your logic is imperfect.

[hack89]

73. So tackling gun owners in public is not a violent act? It is not assault?

you said it - time to own what you said.

[Fred Sanders]

75. No idea what you are saying for the third time...Is there an "attempt" limit?

[hack89]

79. Do you think people should tackle gun owners in public? nt

[sarisataka]

107. I say, with all the politness I can muster

BULLSHIT
You yourself posted in the same OP that the suggestion was made

. we have a right to protect ourselves against gun toting idiots.
he should have broken his damn arms....

Now I could understand if you said you didn't see that post in a thread, except that was the very first reply to the OP.
So I too am curious, since you just supported tackling "everyone with a gun wandering around" what should be the limtit of violence done during such tackling? I also would like to know will that limit apply to police as well or can they jump anyone they think might have a gun?

[Fred Sanders]

117. Again, no idea what you are talking about........

.???.

[sarisataka]

144. Sometimes what is not said

has more truth than what is said.

Have a nice day Fred.

[Fred Sanders]

147. Again, no idea....you need to be more clear, with all due respect, sir.

[sarisataka]

153. No need

You have answered the question to my satisfaction.

[kwassa]

50. sorry, this story doesn't fit your scenario.

Another race denier.

[Fred Sanders]

56. No one should be having a gun, you are very, very mistaken with your trigger happy conclusions.

Try again.

[kwassa]

67. I don't like guns either, and see no need for gun ownership.

I would have no problem with them being completely outlawed.

BUT ..

Gun culture is very ingrained in American culture and the idea that it will change anytime soon is extremely unlikely. I don't spend time on gun threads, generally, for that reason.

This is about guns and race, though.

[beevul]

172. "When is it going to be clear that these killing machines are rightly feared by all?"

When is it going to be clear that these killing machines are rightly feared by all?

It will become clear, when guns actually become "feared by all".

Currently that's far from the case.

[Abq_Sarah]

173. When unhinged nutcases start attacking people

Who are doing nothing wrong... maybe it's time for more people to consider arming themselves.

[Fred Sanders]

174. You should not be calling carry concealed gun owners who negligently unconceal in public such names.

[MoonRiver]

47. Mr. Daniels is lucky to be alive!

Most of these racist "vigilantes" don't wait for the police to intervene. Hope that racist has some money, cause Daniels definitely has cause for a civil suit.

[Fred Sanders]

62. Was he more in fear of the gun being flashed, accidently, or the person? Is the evidence clear on

that, I am sure not defending the guy, believe me, but three others were also involved. Is the full story clear?mwhat role did observing the killing machine tucked away not so discreetly have to play?

One might also be concerned about any person of any color flashing a gun in public in a mall....remember this is "mass murder" America.

[MoonRiver]

66. I seriously doubt that guy was an anti-gun vigilante.

jmo

[Fred Sanders]

72. I agree with that, was another frightened American on high alert for terrorists. Being black was

the final clue to prove it for him. Racism AND paranoia AND guns.

A powerful mixture of WHY?

A society with a pervasive fear based media and 300,000,000 guns in private hands is going to have problems.

[MoonRiver]

91. Personally, I think it was just your run of the mill racist,

looking for a black guy to harass. I'm sure, as the OP stated, it was a big surprise to him that he got arrested for taking down that scary black guy, just like Zimmerman did. Although, just like Zimmerman, I doubt he will face any consequences for his bad actions.

[MrScorpio]

78. My goodness, what is this world coming to? nt

[WinkyDink]

106. IMHO, the fault, dear Brutus, lies in our INSANE GUN LAWS. Carrying a gun in a store?? WTH?!

[hack89]

108. So why not simply notify store security?

why violently assault someone?

[WinkyDink]

114. Oh, I 100% agree with you! But the LAW would have Security do NOTHING.

[Fred Sanders]

121. Yep. Concealed gun owner is legal, so the gun holder walks away and sues the mall.....

welcome to the Gunshine State!

The entire State is a No Go Zone for anyone not wanting to get shot.

Thank you, NRA and cowardly media, it is a long list....

[hack89]

126. If they were concerned the malls and the stores would simply ban guns on their premises

they certainly have that right. Apparently they don't share your fear of guns.

[Fred Sanders]

128. So Gun Free Zones DO work? "No Go Gun Zones" by private business?? Link?

[hack89]

133. Gun Free Zones will never stop someone willing to break the law

they work in the sense that a law abiding gun owner will not take a gun into one. They will not stop shootings because they will not stop someone willing to break the law. Sandy Hook elementary school was a gun free zone remember? So was Virginia Tech.

So gun free zones do work for those people least likely to shoot someone.

[hack89]

122. As long as the store permits concealed carry on their premises

then they should do nothing. If they don't then they will ask the gun carrier to leave.

[Bonobo]

109. Odd that THIS gun thread doesn't get locked...

Does the host only lock anti-gun threads?

[sarisataka]

113. I did see it yesterday

On CNN's front page under latest stories. It has dropped from there now.

[HappyMe]

115. I would prefer NO gun threads in GD.

I think this story relates to racism.

[Fred Sanders]

119. It is a gun thread NOW, isn't it? Or is it?

[ileus]

110. wan't much discussing or time to object from looking at the video.

[Tsiyu]

136. K&R

"But, but...Mama always sez Black people ain't really PEOPLE, see.

Wuzz mah mama WRONG???????"

[HipChick]

140. Racist idiot..

It's just a shame he didn't get shot for his ignorance

[Fred Sanders]

145. See post # 41 please, worth the time investment.

[HipChick]

158. why bother?

Laws in this country are not equal for everyone..

[Xyzse]

167. I'm just glad the attacker was a moron.

Had he been half-way smart, he would have called police, mentioned that a black guy is acting suspicious and scary, and he saw a gun under his coat.

That then could have gone in many very scary directions.

Fortunately, the guy was a true Grade A idiot.

Unfortunately, that also goes to show how sad the situation is.
-I can't trust the cops to do what is logical, right and just.
-I get to be thankful that someone was a moron, rather than responsible, which is just deplorable.

What a complex situation.

[nakocal]

168. The black guy would be in jail if he shot his attacker in self defense

And of course, if the black guy broke free, pulled his gun and shot his attacker before he could be jumped again he would be in jail.

[roody]

176. +100

[Stephen Retired]

183. wonk-wonk-wonnnnnnk

[Kaleva]

184. Did Foster violate Daniel's civil rights by profiling him?

This happened in Florida, the capital of concealed carry.

[davidpdx]

194. The fact that four other people intervened in a situation based on the word of Foster

troubles me. After Foster tackles Daniels (and I'm going from the second camera angle starting at 52 seconds), two others come in and appear to intervene one who is wearing a dark green shirt gets the gun hands it to the third guy (in the bright green shirt) who then passes it to another person in a yellow shirt who remains off camera. I count a total of four people involved, two directly with Foster and two indirectly on the side. IMHO the two on the ground with Foster participated in the assault and should be charged as well. It appears to me that at least three of them are white men.