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liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:12 AM Jan 2015

Mississippi Wouldn't Allow This Teacher to Show Kids How to Use a Condom. His Simple Solution Is...

Mississippi Wouldn't Allow This Teacher to Show Kids How to Use a Condom. His Simple Solution Is Brilliant.

In Mississippi, where education laws require "stressing" abstinence, teachers are prohibited from "any demonstration of how condoms or other contraceptives are applied." Nonetheless, 76 percent of Mississippi teenagers report having sex before the end of high school, and a third of babies in the state are born to teenage mothers. One teacher came up with a creative solution for imparting some wisdom to students about condoms—watch it below.






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Mississippi Wouldn't Allow This Teacher to Show Kids How to Use a Condom. His Simple Solution Is... (Original Post) liberal N proud Jan 2015 OP
K&R SamKnause Jan 2015 #1
OK, that's hilarious!!! JoePhilly Jan 2015 #2
Socks edcation is vital. rug Jan 2015 #3
they teach this in 8th grade in Germany flygal Jan 2015 #4
So good!! coffeenap Jan 2015 #5
K&R for safe shoe activity... freshwest Jan 2015 #6
Amazingly sad that this fine teacher wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #7
"From what moral code does this inane law arise?" kag Jan 2015 #11
thank you jeezus, BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2015 #22
I didn't play the video fadedrose Jan 2015 #8
Ah, the joy of socks! eom Maeve Jan 2015 #9
... nolabear Jan 2015 #44
Ha love it! Initech Jan 2015 #10
I don't think anyone, in history, deaniac21 Jan 2015 #12
How to be subversive Legender75 Jan 2015 #14
It's cute, but not complete info. wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #15
Can't show a condom..... daleanime Jan 2015 #20
Yes .. I get what the law says wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #26
We do agree..... daleanime Jan 2015 #32
The video IS cute. The Law is stupid. You say you're not critical of the teacher... Moonwalk Jan 2015 #35
Thanks for telling me what to say and how to say it. wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #37
Thanks for being hypersensitive and negative. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #70
Oh. Another man admonishing a woman. For her hypersensitivity, this time. wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #72
I didn't say anything about what you should say. Thor_MN Jan 2015 #73
Funny thing is... user_name Jan 2015 #38
Sadly no. Pinching the end to leave room for ejaculate isn't really intuitive. LeftyMom Jan 2015 #48
Yes, they do. And there first mistake is not squeezing out the air and their second mistake Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #51
Well, anyone that is that dumb deaniac21 Feb 2015 #74
I think the associated information about their use is what the classes try to instill as well. Rozlee Jan 2015 #56
The "Sock" conversation Legender75 Jan 2015 #13
I don't know if this was a rules avoidance strategy in Seattle Public Schools, but in my AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #16
AMEN! Tsiyu Jan 2015 #31
"sex shamers are sex deviants"-- wonderfully put!! niyad Jan 2015 #39
Excellent teaching moment. Just one small criticism. raging moderate Jan 2015 #17
And please, please do NOT flush the sock down the toilet instead of putting it in the hamper ET Awful Jan 2015 #21
I think he also needs to emphasize that girls should insist that their boyfriends wear socks... Moonwalk Jan 2015 #36
K&R.... daleanime Jan 2015 #18
You gotta watch this matt819 Jan 2015 #19
LOL! cyberswede Jan 2015 #23
Sock magic HelenWheels Jan 2015 #24
Give the man Thespian2 Jan 2015 #25
Obviously this whole issue has been blown out of proportion Major Nikon Jan 2015 #27
That is... 3catwoman3 Jan 2015 #61
In college we used to fill 'em up with water and put them in bed with a drunk buddy Major Nikon Jan 2015 #71
Brilliant! yellerpup Jan 2015 #28
Say, does any body else think rock Jan 2015 #29
AWESOME! Tsiyu Jan 2015 #30
He's promoting shoe related activities!!11! progressoid Jan 2015 #33
lol Change has come Jan 2015 #53
I love this man !! Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #34
doesn't matter if it's an athletic shoe or a dress shoe Skittles Jan 2015 #40
But this is just going to encourage kids in Mississippi to wear shoes!!!1!! Thor_MN Jan 2015 #41
But now, WITH sox. HubertHeaver Jan 2015 #43
That is ut oh Jan 2015 #42
Is there a follow up to this Tyrs WolfDaemon Jan 2015 #45
Sox can prevent Tofu Thor_MN Jan 2015 #46
My 22 yr old son is... 3catwoman3 Jan 2015 #62
And it's ok to carry socks with you, just in case of shoe activity IronLionZion Jan 2015 #47
Is there something wrong with the free ones? F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #55
No. There's something of a conspiracy theory on the right that PP gives out substandard condoms LeftyMom Jan 2015 #58
I am... F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #60
I'm on the left, and I know they are substandard IronLionZion Jan 2015 #65
The name brands and the round ones are usually fine IronLionZion Jan 2015 #66
Interesting, I'll keep it in mind. F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #67
They feel much more natural IronLionZion Jan 2015 #68
KICK! Cha Jan 2015 #49
Socks are VERY important for preventing, um, blisters......... lastlib Jan 2015 #50
The sock analogy was used in this television PSA back in 1988. John1956PA Jan 2015 #52
Creative Genius!!! nt LiberalElite Jan 2015 #54
Is this where the saying "barefoot and pregnant" comes from? nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #57
will this make your foot safe to put in a booty??? ;) grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #59
It is sad how repressive the law is especially when teen pregnancy is so high davidpdx Jan 2015 #63
It's Sock It to Me Time . . . Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #64
This reminds me ..... beemer27 Jan 2015 #69

flygal

(3,231 posts)
4. they teach this in 8th grade in Germany
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:30 AM
Jan 2015

and have condom vending machines all over the place - mostly on the streets by train/tram stops. And the classes are not separated boy/girl - it's taught in Biology. No special note sent home to parents warning them. come on America!

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
7. Amazingly sad that this fine teacher
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:41 AM
Jan 2015

has to teach sex education and cannot demonstrate how a condom is put on.

An American law that prohibits a teacher from performing "any demonstration of how condoms or other contraceptives are applied" to teenagers.

Completely disgusting. From what moral code does this inane law arise? What greater good is served by this? It's a harmful and repressive attitude, which doesn't even begin to address the importance of topic to the health and well-being of these Americans.


kag

(4,078 posts)
11. "From what moral code does this inane law arise?"
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:53 AM
Jan 2015

The same "moral code" that forced every single abortion clinic in Mississippi to shut down!

So, they prohibit teaching contraceptive use, and then outlaw (effectively) abortion. AND THEN THEY WONDER WHY THEIR TEEN PREGNANCY RATE IS SO HIGH!!!????

Idjuts. Ugh.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
8. I didn't play the video
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jan 2015

But this is the type of story that South Park does such a wonderful job on (I know, preposition at the end) . . .

When I can't find any good news programs, I put on South Park. They are first in "explaining" everything in the news to the kids, and most of the trash talk comes from their innocence....

Can't wait to see this episode when there is one.

 

Legender75

(6 posts)
14. How to be subversive
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:03 AM
Jan 2015

I think the main message is more than putting on a condom, it is about giving permission to use a condom when having sex, and then permission to have fun during the whole process, plus letting TEENAGERS know how to do it effectively. Teens generally do not know much other than what comes to them in conversations with other teens. So to have this clearly intelligent and perceptive man show them in a totally non-threatening and subversive way is a true delight.

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
15. It's cute, but not complete info.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jan 2015

Especially for girls. Girls need to know how a condom is placed on a penis and should be able to do it properly and able to see it was done properly.

A sock isn't the same material, nor is it rolled up and stored in a small wrapper. Doesn't have a reservoir on the tip.

If you want a substitute, put that real condom on a fake penis - hell, a freakin' cuke or carrot will suffice.

The "idea" of condoms does not reduce pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases, actually using and touching and placing the damn thing on before intercourse is rather important to its function.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
20. Can't show a condom.....
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jan 2015

that's what he's trying to get around. Think he did a great job, just should have mentioned-always use a fresth clean sox when engaging in shoe activity.

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
26. Yes .. I get what the law says
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jan 2015

And I'm saying that is a stupid law.

It's really not that cute when you think of how important the information is.

I'm in no way critical of the teacher ... only pointing out the absurdity and danger of the law regarding the actually purpose of condoms.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
35. The video IS cute. The Law is stupid. You say you're not critical of the teacher...
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:18 PM
Jan 2015

...but what you said and how you said it came across that way. The video is, frankly, brilliant and wonderfully subversive in its simplicity given the stupid law he's trying to get around. Whatever it's flaws or inconsistencies, it's a whole lot better than nothing, which is exactly what the law wants. Nothing.

If you're critical of the law, don't criticize the video, and by extension, the teacher who made it. Say that the law makes it so that the video can't be completely accurate. Which we all agree is true, and we all agree is sad, aggravating and wrong.

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
37. Thanks for telling me what to say and how to say it.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jan 2015

I did not criticize the teacher at all. I was criticizing the law and its outcomes. I did it in the way I wanted to talk about it. There are numerous ways and perspectives to do so. Your admonishments have been noted.

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
72. Oh. Another man admonishing a woman. For her hypersensitivity, this time.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jan 2015

And I didn't even ask either of you about your opinions of me and my attitude or how I say something.

I admonished a fucking stupid law that harms people.

You jovial blokes decided I was the one needing admonishment.

Let me note something else for you.

Civil discourse means discussing and criticizing and arguing about ideas, opinions, beliefs.

Admonishing someone on how they should be talking or thinking ("you should have said&quot or how they should be feeling (hypersensitive or negative) is ... typical.

You guys win. Thanks.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
73. I didn't say anything about what you should say.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jan 2015

I noted that you have a crappy attitude.

Ever stop to think that the teacher's message might be only for male students? That the female students have a different class? No, you came in and crapped all over a positive message in response to a stupid law, because it doesn't contain what you want it to contain.



user_name

(60 posts)
38. Funny thing is...
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jan 2015

I actually knew someone in high school whose boyfriend couldn't figure it out. He unrolled it first. We had a good laugh over that!

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
48. Sadly no. Pinching the end to leave room for ejaculate isn't really intuitive.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:47 PM
Jan 2015

I'm sure some real bright sparks might unroll it first without instruction too.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
51. Yes, they do. And there first mistake is not squeezing out the air and their second mistake
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 12:26 AM
Jan 2015

is pulling… not rolling. And their third mistake is not pulling out immediately afterwards; allowing the penis to shrink and the condom to leak.

All of these contribute to condom failure and possible pregnancy.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
56. I think the associated information about their use is what the classes try to instill as well.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 01:17 AM
Jan 2015

Not to use the same condom more than once. Never use two condoms at the same time. Never use oil base lubricants like Vaseline. It's shocking for me when I look back to my teen years and remember how condoms were often reused by washing them out in the sink. Of course, naive country kids had all kinds of misinformation. Just the general stuff. You can't get pregnant if you do it standing up or if you take a bath in warm water within a few hours. Boys can't get a girl pregnant if they drink four glasses of milk before they do it. Probably because they'll be too sick to their stomachs.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
16. I don't know if this was a rules avoidance strategy in Seattle Public Schools, but in my
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:21 AM
Jan 2015

high school, student members of an outreach group called Natural Helpers did the condom demonstration (Next time get a zucchini without spines, derp) instead of the teacher.

I didn't think much of it at the time, but this was 20 years ago, and while Seattle is awesomely progressive, now that I think back on it, it might have been a federal funding requirement/end run around rules. This was back in the days when Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders got thrown out the airlock for daring to encourage positive sexual health and de-stigmatization of masturbation and contraceptives.

Fuck Bill Clinton forever, for firing her. Really the only thing that man ever did that actually pissed me off.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
31. AMEN!
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:57 PM
Jan 2015

That pissed me off, too.

Especially when we eventually learn that the sex shamers are actually sexual deviants themselves.

NO ONE should let the Moral Elite shame them when it comes to sex. The Moral Elite are having more sex than any of us, all while telling us WE shouldn't be having any.

Like anti-abortion Repuke Scott DesJarlais, who forced his own wife to have abortions when it was expedient for him, but who doesn't want anyone else to have access to safe, legal abortion.

Like Limpballs, who got caught with viagra after screwing god knows what poor people on some island somewhere, slut shaming? Really? And you've had FOUR WIVES, Rush? Really, you scum-sucking bag of pus? You want to play the Moral Elite with YOUR record?

Sex shamers are ALL HYPOCRITES so NO one should be shamed by any of them.


raging moderate

(4,292 posts)
17. Excellent teaching moment. Just one small criticism.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jan 2015

He needs to emphasize the importance of carefully placing the "sock" down in the "hamper" every time.

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
21. And please, please do NOT flush the sock down the toilet instead of putting it in the hamper
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:35 AM
Jan 2015

That could really cause problems.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
36. I think he also needs to emphasize that girls should insist that their boyfriends wear socks...
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:21 PM
Jan 2015

...buy them for them, and help them put those socks on and refuse to let them put on the shoes if they don't

matt819

(10,749 posts)
19. You gotta watch this
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jan 2015

This guy is a riot. Very clever. He should be a stand-up comic.

Edited to add: I regret that I didn't think of another poster's reference to practicing "safe sox." Brilliant!

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
23. LOL!
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:46 AM
Jan 2015

(paraphrasing)

"squeeze the tip to make sure there's room for your toes"

"tie it when you're done so the sweat doesn't fall out"

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
71. In college we used to fill 'em up with water and put them in bed with a drunk buddy
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 11:08 AM
Jan 2015

At some point during the night the drunk buddy would roll over on them and hilarity ensued.

They would expand several times past the physical limit of any human on earth, which makes the idea of "magnum" condoms laughingly ridiculous.

Tyrs WolfDaemon

(2,289 posts)
45. Is there a follow up to this
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 09:52 PM
Jan 2015

One that talks about flavored socks?

What about wool socks versus silk socks/ cotton socks/ poly blends ?

Oh and textured socks.


Then of course there is the whole shoe-horn thing that needs discussing.



On a more serious note, I applaud this teacher for his work around to the problem of the law.

After all pack planning is very important.



3catwoman3

(23,946 posts)
62. My 22 yr old son is...
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 02:58 AM
Jan 2015

...currently a fan of colorful, downright flamboyant socks. I gave him several pairs for Christmas, with the tag on the package reading, "Every young man should have lots of great s_x."

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
47. And it's ok to carry socks with you, just in case of shoe activity
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:42 PM
Jan 2015

because shoe activity isn't always planned in advance, sometimes you might not be able to go out and buy some socks when you're in the mood. It's OK for girls to carry socks as well, and sooner or later its good to learn about girl socks which feel totally awesome but are harder to find.

Girl socks can be bought online, like Amazon.

But whatever you do, DON'T count on lambskin socks or the free socks they give away at planned parenthood.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
55. Is there something wrong with the free ones?
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 12:51 AM
Jan 2015

Because that's a serious issue. People depend on those. The ones given out at the health centers I've seen were all regular brands, so should there be something people should looking out for?

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
58. No. There's something of a conspiracy theory on the right that PP gives out substandard condoms
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 02:05 AM
Jan 2015

so they can administer more abortions. Hopefully I don't even need to explain just how very stupid that notion is.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
65. I'm on the left, and I know they are substandard
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 08:22 AM
Jan 2015

If they give reputable brands like Durex or Trojan or Lifestyles, then that's great. But the small oval shaped ones they gave out when I was in school 10 years ago were really bad.

And I think it's about lowest cost, not about abortions.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
66. The name brands and the round ones are usually fine
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 08:26 AM
Jan 2015

always look for latex or polyisoprene as the material. The thin oval shaped ones are really bad and I wouldn't count on those.

female condoms are more expensive and have a learning curve, but are worth it IMO.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
67. Interesting, I'll keep it in mind.
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 08:29 AM
Jan 2015

Haven't tried the female condoms--what particular advantages do they have, why are they worth it?

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
68. They feel much more natural
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 08:35 AM
Jan 2015

both partners feel more during the activity. And they are generally polyisoprene, in case one partner has latex allergies or sensitivities. They also protect a larger surface area. There are videos online to show how to put it in. There's a ring that attaches to the woman's cervix.

Many women don't like the chafing that comes from male condoms sometimes, even with lube it can be uncomfortable for some.

lastlib

(23,152 posts)
50. Socks are VERY important for preventing, um, blisters.........
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 12:18 AM
Jan 2015

And they also help avoid athletes', um, foot??!? Yeah, that.

he should've mentioned that a little more emphatically, but otherwise brilliant! .

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
63. It is sad how repressive the law is especially when teen pregnancy is so high
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 03:36 AM
Jan 2015

Of course we are not expected to believe there is any causation between the two.

beemer27

(459 posts)
69. This reminds me .....
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 09:27 AM
Jan 2015

This video reminds me of a little rhyme that was going around when I was a youth. A long time ago.

In days of old
When knights were bold
And rubbers weren't invented
They wrapped a sock
Around their cock
And babies were prevented

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