If Obama Pushes Dems On TPP It Will Split The Party. And It Will Make GOP Presidency Possible.

[TheMastersNemesis]

The Dems will get their ass kicked in 2016 if they cave on TPP. Dems voting for it will lose like the Dems who lost when Clinton coerced them to vote for NAFTA. And everything Obama says he wants will be seen as a lie. I do not understand this bipartisan crap of passing what the GOP originally negotiated.

It is just plain insanity to pass TPP. And it really could give us a GOP nutcase as president with GOP control of Congress.

[upaloopa]

1. Because we won't vote! If TPP passes a bunch

of us will hold our breath and whine. We will show them.

[FSogol]

3. Yup, they are announcing it in advance and trying to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Waffle-making will skyrocket! Us Democrats will sure learn our lesson, won't we?

[SidDithers]

10. Waffle-making will skyrocket!!...

Nicely done.

Sid

[Scuba]

5. It's up to the party to motivate voters to the polls. If party leader's actions de-motivate ....

... the voters, it ain't the voter's fault.

[Jim Lane]

6. Is it that hard to respond to what the OP actually said?

Proposition 1: If X happens it will dampen enthusiasm among Democratic-leaning voters and reduce the Democratic turnout.
Proposition 2: If X happens it will upset me and I won't vote.

It's possible for someone to assert Proposition 1 yet not assert Proposition 2. I'm often in that category myself. I can't imagine not voting in a Presidential election, but, even though I'll always show up, I can join in a discussion about factors that may cause other people to stay home.

An obvious example is voter ID laws. If I had to go out and get a special card to vote, sure, I'd do it. I recognize, though, that some people wouldn't, and that such laws tend to hurt Democrats. The OP is making the same kind of argument about TPP.

[upaloopa]

8. Before the last election there was no one

here who said they were not voting then after the low turnout was defended with nothing to vote for and our candidate was no better than theirs.
I am pointing out before the next election that no matter what some say here they still won't bother to vote yet they will still defend that non voting with ideas like TPP passing.

[Faryn Balyncd]

2. If passed, when Americans find out how they have been screwed, it will make 2016 a disaster for the

...Democratic Party and for America.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

4. GOP presidency is likely but not certain either way; TPP is not a big vote-loser. N.T.

[randome]

7. Reality disagrees with you.

And stop worrying about who will win the weakest arm of government.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[pampango]

9. Polls show Democrats support TPP and republicans oppose it.

Why would pushing it split the party any more than opposing it would?

[CK_John]

11. The average voter doesn't know who their Senators are, let alone what is TPP.

[Oilwellian]

12. I'm sure that's part of the Third Way plan n/t

[99Forever]

13. I think you are correct.

And I also suspect it may indeed be the exact result that is being sought.

[Populist_Prole]

14. "If you don't give us an arm, the GOP will take a leg"

Jesus H Christ. The head of our party is telling economic populists to get stuffed...2 years before the election.

[kelliekat44]

15. It will not split the party. We will just have to work harder to thwart it. I hope we are smarter

than that.

[Andy823]

16. You have the doom and gloom crowd on your side

But anyone with any senses at all is not going to allow some dumbass republican to win by staying home and not voting over the TPP bull shit. Pushing this kind of meme, is right wing bullshit, plain and simple. It's like the doom and gloom crowed that states "both parties are the same" or the same bunch that want "purge" the party of anyone they don't like, it's all just bullshit in the end.