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Sat Jan 24, 2015, 07:02 PM

America's greatest sniper vs. America's most famous sociopath

Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock was America's finest sniper. (This is the guy who put a round down the barrel of another sniper's scope, and also the guy who made a 2500-yard shot with a .50-caliber machine gun firing standard ammunition.) Don't believe raw numbers: when Gunny Hathcock was active, a kill wasn't official unless it was observed by a commissioned officer. He estimates he killed at least 300 enemy soldiers.

Chris Kyle you already know.

In Kyle's book, he claims to have enjoyed killing people.

Gunny Hathcock said he never enjoyed killing people; it was a job he did to protect his fellow Marines. MOST combat arms troops feel the same way.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 07:12 PM

1. Yeah

That's what I figured. It's one thing to fight, it's another to get some kind of kick out of it.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 07:12 PM

2. You're on the wrong forum if you think the Gunny is going to get any praise

 

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Response to glasshouses (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 07:21 PM

3. I wasn't attempting to praise Hathcock

I was pointing out the difference between Hathcock and Kyle: one at least claimed killing wasn't his favorite thing, the other who apparently relished blowing people's shit away.

Also remember he claimed to shoot people off the roof of the Superdome: go to Google Maps and look at the area around the Superdome in Satellite View. If he really was going to shoot looters he would go to where looters were, and there aren't any good sight lines between the Superdome and anything in NOLA that's worth stealing.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 08:14 PM

5. That's because he was full of shit with that and also when he said two guys tried to steal his truck

 

and he shot them dead at a gas station in Texas .


Also as far as I know there is no evidence that I have read where he committed any war crime in Iraq either.

When he dropped a terrorist who was planting IED's or planning an ambush on our troops.

I really don't care that he felt good about killing them . As long as he never crossed that line of
committing a war crime I'm good with what he did in protecting our troops.

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Response to glasshouses (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 11:57 PM

6. America invaded Iraq FOR NO REASON

that IN ITSELF was a war crime

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Response to Skittles (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 01:55 AM

9. Did Kyle give the order to invade Iraq?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:15 AM

11. no

but posing him as a hero is pretty sickening considering we INVADED FOR NO REASON

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Response to former9thward (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:47 AM

13. kyle made the choice to join the military and perform his duties as assigned,

unless you're suggesting he wasn't capable of rational decision making?

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Response to glasshouses (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:04 AM

7. "terrorist who was planting IED's" - your language again gives you away. They were

 

"terrorists" the same way Washington's soldiers in 1776 were "terrorrists."

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:48 AM

14. Exactly. People defending their homes, families and land from horrific invasion aren't terrorists.

Couldn't agree more.

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Response to glasshouses (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 01:24 AM

8. It may just be me but you don't sound very liberal. He was a psysopath and some here

 

applaud that because he was on our side. Just like Cheney's torturers. Heroes and patriots. They are all war criminals and should be punished.

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Response to glasshouses (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:39 AM

12. I refuse to read his book, but I have the feeling...

...that if someone with a computer hooked to the internets were to go through it page by page, the number of bullshit statements would exceed the number of true ones.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 07:35 PM

4. Life for me and nothing for you

 

Is the way of their kind.

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 01:59 AM

10. Gunny Hathcock was a true American and a true HERO.

 

Chris Kyle is scum.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:41 AM

17. Did a nice job-n/t

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Response to jmowreader (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 06:44 AM

16. The end result is the same, though.

They both killed a lot of people in an immoral war. Hathcock is just a lot more humble.

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