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muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 08:43 AM Jan 2015

American Sniper film 'behind rise in anti-Muslim threats'

The release of the film American Sniper has led to an increase in threats against Muslims in the US, according to an Arab-American civil rights group.

The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) has written to director Clint Eastwood and star Bradley Cooper.
...
The ADC said a "majority of the violent threats we have seen over the past few days are result of how Arab and Muslims are depicted in American Sniper".

The organisation, which describes itself as the largest Arab civil rights organisation in the US, said it had collected "hundreds of violent messages targeting Arab and Muslim Americans from movie-goers", mainly from Facebook and Twitter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30972690
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American Sniper film 'behind rise in anti-Muslim threats' (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 OP
I certainly agree JonLP24 Jan 2015 #1
No question. Scuba Jan 2015 #2
Why? It was a pretty good movie describing what warriors do, pocoloco Jan 2015 #4
Notice I didn't criticize anyone who served in the military ... Scuba Jan 2015 #5
They whip out the flag real quick, don't they? Vaguely familiar strategy....hmmmm. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #9
it's a common tactic, Scuba Skittles Jan 2015 #43
Agreed. GGJohn Jan 2015 #44
He volunteered. For 4 tours. He said he loved killing iraqis. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #39
The "original" was much better. isobar Jan 2015 #51
Not a whisper of this in the American media....the war machine has its propaganda arm..of course Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #3
Talk to the ha ...chair. maddiemom Jan 2015 #7
I'm starting to think that Clint really ..... Ernesto Jan 2015 #53
I trust that nobody is really surprised by this development. (nt) Paladin Jan 2015 #6
Yes, so it should be accepted and ignored...Eastwood was not surprised, it was his intention. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #8
They had two anti war movies a few years ago, yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #10
The demonization of Muslims is also highly popular these days in the media. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #11
I guess. But can you blame Hollywood for making it if that is going to get all Americans to see it? yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #12
Yes, I blame them and if any innocent person dies, as they did after all the demonization of Muslims sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #15
Every day, innocent LGBT people die and are jailed as a result of religious hate speech, much of Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #25
demonization DustyJoe Jan 2015 #38
Does your morality and ethics depend or which movie does best at the box office? 99Forever Jan 2015 #13
I am very liberal with Hollywood yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #17
Way to sidestep the question. 99Forever Jan 2015 #20
What was the question? yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #21
That would be the sentence ending with... 99Forever Jan 2015 #22
You only put a question mark with no question yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #23
As I said, I understand your embarrassment. 99Forever Jan 2015 #24
What on Earth are you talking about? yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #27
I asked you a simple question. 99Forever Jan 2015 #30
English is my second language yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #31
Well then... 99Forever Jan 2015 #32
Does your morality and ethics depend or which movie does best at the box office? Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2015 #36
And the murders in France had nothing to do with how people perceive Muslims and Arabs, suuuuure. Android3.14 Jan 2015 #14
American Sniper - racist propaganda PumpkinAle Jan 2015 #16
Lol. I think you are wrong on the rasist part. yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #18
Nope - Kyle was a bigot and a racist PumpkinAle Jan 2015 #26
islam DustyJoe Jan 2015 #35
Chris Kyle was majorly a racist bigot. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #37
Idiotic oberliner Jan 2015 #19
It is propaganda PumpkinAle Jan 2015 #29
what if the claim is factually true? Enrique Jan 2015 #48
Batman caused violence against innocent people oberliner Jan 2015 #49
you realize they're not calling for a ban on the film, right? Enrique Jan 2015 #52
Have they considered Paris, ISIS, Boko? The lashings given to bloggers, the stoning of gay people? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #28
The threats mention the film muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #33
Sounds like everyday crap said about LGBT people in houses of worship around the world. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #40
I'd hope all decent people would condemn hate speech no matter which minority group it's aimed at... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #47
yeah ok DustyJoe Jan 2015 #34
well, we're a great deal removed from war with Germany and the Japan bigtree Jan 2015 #42
Got to love the wannabe Rambos in this country. Initech Jan 2015 #41
I doubt if I'm going to watch the film. Maybe I'll watch "Enemy at the gate" again. BlueJazz Jan 2015 #45
As the great American hero Rambo once said Generic Other Jan 2015 #46
This is seriously off the charts oberliner Jan 2015 #50
Have you read some of the hateful crap posted about this movie? Generic Other Jan 2015 #54

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
1. I certainly agree
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 08:59 AM
Jan 2015

The right wing are spending a great deal on criticism of "lefties" and justify all the killing & indifference as he was only doing it to the bad guys. The terrorists. Over a movie which the real life guy actually had reservations & didn't even want to watch the torture porn Zero Dark Thirty because he felt it was propaganda for the Obama administration.

 

pocoloco

(3,180 posts)
4. Why? It was a pretty good movie describing what warriors do,
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:34 AM
Jan 2015

and what happens to them. They don't get to choose the war,
just do the best job they can.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
5. Notice I didn't criticize anyone who served in the military ...
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:00 AM
Jan 2015

... just the guy who produced a war porn/glorification movie.

But nice job trying to smear my post.



SSGT Scuba, USAF 1970-1976

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. They whip out the flag real quick, don't they? Vaguely familiar strategy....hmmmm.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jan 2015

And if it isn't the flag it is the Cross they wield to ward off all that disgusting liberal love of truth.


Warriors and heroes when they do as instructed, kill, but widely rejected when they come home to their adoring nation, soothed by media talk of their glory as they beg in the streets for food and help, just asking that Americans start putting some money in the game and not just glory.

You can't eat glory.

Re-glorified in film with an agenda. Still can't eat it.

Pawns of war and pawns of propaganda, just pawns.

Again, all so vaguely familiar.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Not a whisper of this in the American media....the war machine has its propaganda arm..of course
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:30 AM
Jan 2015

it does.
Meanwhile President Obama's popularity soars..........look, a saggy pressurized container made of pigskin!

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
10. They had two anti war movies a few years ago,
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jan 2015

One called Lions for Lambs with Meryl Streep and another one called Rendition with Reece Witherspoon but nobody went to see them. Why is that? I don't think Americans like anti war movie but seem to love positive feel good movies and that include all political parties.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
11. The demonization of Muslims is also highly popular these days in the media.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jan 2015

And not that many "felt good" after the movie, many felt just like what the OP is pointing out.

Eastwood must feel good, money made off of xenophobia and inciting violence was the intent, making money was just a terrific bonus, all jump started by his sympathetic buddies of the Academy and "liberal" Hollywood, a cabal that slighted "not white" folks by rejecting Selma, but his gunporn flick free publicity it richly does not deserve.

Lots of money to be made off of hate and lies these days, just ask Fox, where Eastwood is a worshipped icon of the rabid right wing.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
12. I guess. But can you blame Hollywood for making it if that is going to get all Americans to see it?
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jan 2015

I think it is all about money.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
15. Yes, I blame them and if any innocent person dies, as they did after all the demonization of Muslims
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jan 2015

after 9/11, I will definitely blame them and all the warmongers and those for whom money is god.

One thing is for sure, this story damages the image of the 'honorable US military' to the rest of the world. Maybe that was the intent.

I wonder why anyone would want to depict the US Military as a brutal killing machine who are 'just following orders'?

Most veterans I have ever met are nothing like this killer. Not to mention this kind of thing, like the torture videos, as one Iraq veteran told me, place US troops in even more danger.

But hey, money!!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
25. Every day, innocent LGBT people die and are jailed as a result of religious hate speech, much of
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jan 2015

which comes from the Pope and his Bishops. Uganda is 43% Catholic, the Bishops call for elimination of gay people, gay people get beaten, arrested and killed. That's just Uganda.
So are you against all denigration of others or are you not?

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
38. demonization
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jan 2015

The extremists, jihadists, combatants whatever name anyone wishes to a list describing the maelstrom of the middle east do more to demonize themselves in words and deeds than any outside entity could.

Ask the Japanese man suddenly missing his head for his thoughts on who the Demon is.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
13. Does your morality and ethics depend or which movie does best at the box office?
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:08 AM
Jan 2015

Mine certainly doesn't, but then I'm one of those "bleeding heart" liberals that thinks murder, even state sanctioned murder and the monsters that perpetrate it are base evil. Regardless of what the cow-eyed "fans" find "popular" at the cinema this week.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
17. I am very liberal with Hollywood
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jan 2015

Which is why I go to almost everything they put out. I love going to a wide variety of movie but I am a liberal so of course I am fair and see them all.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
20. Way to sidestep the question.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:50 AM
Jan 2015

I don't give a damn how many movies you go to. That isn't even close to what I asked you, but if it embarrasses you to honestly answer, I understand why.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
23. You only put a question mark with no question
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:57 AM
Jan 2015

You missed some words on your reply. Please proof read your next reply so you get an answer. I know you are typing fast but just breath and start again.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
24. As I said, I understand your embarrassment.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:00 PM
Jan 2015

Feel free to pretend it's otherwise. I'd be embarrassed too, if I showed my ass in public too.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
27. What on Earth are you talking about?
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jan 2015

Seriously! Are you mad I liked the movie? Is that it? Well you really need to get over that because if you are upset that an anonimous person on the Internet likes something you don't....that is a problem that you need to get over. You cannot possibly want me to agree with you on everything. That is just not going to happen no matter how hard you try. Life is not like that.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
30. I asked you a simple question.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jan 2015

You failed to address it. Instead you went into a word salad about something else I couldn't care any less about. I'm amused by your apparent lack of comprehension of the English language and the grammar and punctuation it uses. You have no ability to make me "mad."

BTW, I don't care if you "agree" with me about anything, much less, everything.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
32. Well then...
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 01:11 PM
Jan 2015

... go to my FIRST reply to you, find the ?, the question is the sentence just in front of it.

I look forward to your answer to it.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
14. And the murders in France had nothing to do with how people perceive Muslims and Arabs, suuuuure.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:17 AM
Jan 2015

While I despise anyone lashing out at another ethnic group, even the ADC should acknowledge there is more going on here than just a movie.

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
16. American Sniper - racist propaganda
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jan 2015

for an illegal war and to stir up the mindless who think they are patriots.

What is done in the name of patriotism is often done with prejudice and a false sense of superiority.

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
26. Nope - Kyle was a bigot and a racist
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jan 2015

..........."damn savages" he took pleasure in dehumanizing with his inane, bigotted and yes, racist comments.

In the book, Kyle refers to everyone he fought as “savage, despicable” evil. He writes, “I only wish I had killed more.”

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. Idiotic
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jan 2015

It's a movie.

Don't like the idea of artists feeling restrained by what interest groups might have to say.

Don't like the movie - don't see it. Or protest outside of it. Or make your own movie.

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
29. It is propaganda
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:15 PM
Jan 2015

just like any "rah, rah, we are right, "they" are wrong".

It is revisionist history and only feeds the minds of the feeble, ill-educated who think they need to act out.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
48. what if the claim is factually true?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:18 AM
Jan 2015

what if the movie is causing violence against Muslims? Is it idiotic to be concerned about that?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
49. Batman caused violence against innocent people
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:46 PM
Jan 2015

Deranged people can come up with any excuse to kill and/or commit violence.

Movies are movies.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
52. you realize they're not calling for a ban on the film, right?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jan 2015

your response doesn't match the story. I'm trying to figure out why someone would object to this:


The letter asked Eastwood and Cooper to speak out against such messages "in an effort to reduce the hateful rhetoric".

"Your visibility, influence, and connection to the film would be a tremendous force in drawing attention to and lessening the serious dangers facing the respective communities," ADC president Samer Khalaf wrote.


Your responses might make sense if they were calling for a ban on the movie, but that's not what they're doing.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
28. Have they considered Paris, ISIS, Boko? The lashings given to bloggers, the stoning of gay people?
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:10 PM
Jan 2015

I mean, I have not seen the film and of course threats are very bad. But it seems self serving to claim that were it not for this movie all would be well. Just a tad.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
33. The threats mention the film
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jan 2015
“Great fucking movie and now I really want to kill some fucking ragheads,” read one tweet, in a set of screenshots that quickly went viral after being collated by journalist Rania Khalek for the online publication Electronic Intifada. “American sniper makes me wanna go shoot some fuckin Arabs,” read another.

One tweet read: “Nice to see a movie where the Arabs are portrayed for who they really are - vermin scum intent on destroying us.” While the word “vermin” is not uncommon in threads about the film, that tweet was tagged not only #AmericanSniper but, mystifyingly, #DeBlasio as well.

Even the actor James Woods got in on the action, tweeting: “Every time an American Armed Forces sniper pulls a trigger, those who would kill or maim an American warrior are no longer a threat.”

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jan/24/american-sniper-anti-muslim-threats-skyrocket
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
40. Sounds like everyday crap said about LGBT people in houses of worship around the world.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jan 2015

If LGBT people lost our lunch over internet comments, we'd never stop puking. I'm very familiar with the position they find themselves in. I do not entirely care for their approach. They will figure it out, maybe.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
47. I'd hope all decent people would condemn hate speech no matter which minority group it's aimed at...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:55 AM
Jan 2015

There shouldn't be blame or attempts to minimise the hate speech thrown at the minority group the hatred's thrown at.

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
34. yeah ok
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 01:45 PM
Jan 2015

Just like 'Band of Brothers" resulted in an increase of anti-German sentiment and threats against Germans
and
"We Were Soldiers" ended up in the threats against Asians in the US
.
well .... they didn't
.
How about the fact that it just looks like the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee just wanting to get their perpetual victimhood whine recorded. The movie shows war combatants getting whacked just like all war movies show combatants getting killed. One thing about American war movies though is they show both sides sustaining casualties. Just like real life. Seems you can't make a film, write a book or article or blog without some poor soul getting all butthurt and demanding retractions. Next will be the litigation threat.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
42. well, we're a great deal removed from war with Germany and the Japan
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jan 2015

...but, in their time, propaganda was used quite effectively to demonize and marginalize the German and Japanese people here in the U.S. though movies and other media; many times with devastating and consequential effect.

It would be a mistake not to recognize how the correct objections and outrage expressed toward terrorists using Islam as their justification and banner are being conflated with all Muslims, here in the U.S. and elsewhere. That's a dangerous and worrisome trend for all of us who care deeply about freedom of religion and the defense of the diversity of our nation's population.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
45. I doubt if I'm going to watch the film. Maybe I'll watch "Enemy at the gate" again.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 11:46 PM
Jan 2015

(Sniper movie with Jude Law/Ed Harris)

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
46. As the great American hero Rambo once said
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:42 AM
Jan 2015

"Do we get to win this time?"

Piles of propaganda.

My heart goes out to any Muslim Americans who must live in fear because of Eastwood's heroic attempt to make a buck.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
50. This is seriously off the charts
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jan 2015

The movie is causing Muslim Americans to live in fear?

This is just beyond the looking glass stuff.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
54. Have you read some of the hateful crap posted about this movie?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:19 PM
Jan 2015
Muslims are facing increased threats in the United States after the release of the movie "American Sniper," an American-Arab organization said in letters to director Clint Eastwood and star Bradley Cooper.

In the open letters released earlier this week, the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) said there has been a spike in violent threats against Muslims due to the film that portrays the story of an American sniper during the Iraq war.

"A majority of the violent threats we have seen over the past few days are (a) result of how Arab and Muslims are depicted in American Sniper," the ADC said.

The group said it had received hundreds of violent messages from viewers of the film, many of them through social media.

The ADC notified the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and local police about the threats and asked the two Hollywood stars to condemn the violent rhetoric used by filmgoers.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-muslims-threatened-after-american-sniper/ar-AA8yeUj

Death threats over a movie. Every reviewer attacked by frenzied nitwits. Matt Taibbi. Go read his tweets. Or Michael Moore. The haters are howling. Why do you think people don't fear Eastwood's brand of shit stirring?
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