Bob Dylan, RW delusionist

[n2doc]

BD- OK, a lot of people say there is no happiness in this life and certainly there’s no permanent happiness. But self-sufficiency creates happiness. Just because you’re satisfied one moment — saying yes, it’s a good meal, makes me happy — well, that’s not going to necessarily be true the next hour. Life has its ups and downs, and time has to be your partner, you know? Really, time is your soul mate. I’m not exactly sure what happiness even means, to tell you the truth. I don’t know if I personally could define it.

Q: Have you touched it?

A: Well, we all do.
Q: Held it?

A: We all do at certain points, but it’s like water — it slips through your hands. As long as there’s suffering, you can only be so happy. How can a person be happy if he has misfortune? Some wealthy billionaire who can buy 30 cars and maybe buy a sports team, is that guy happy? What then would make him happier? Does it make him happy giving his money away to foreign countries? Is there more contentment in that than in giving it here to the inner cities and creating jobs? The government’s not going to create jobs. It doesn’t have to. People have to create jobs, and these big billionaires are the ones who can do it We don’t see that happening. We see crime and inner cities exploding with people who have nothing to do, turning to drink and drugs. They could all have work created for them by all these hotshot billionaires. For sure that would create lot of happiness. Now, I’m not saying they have to — I’m not talking about communism — but what do they do with their money? Do they use it in virtuous ways?

Q: So they should be moving their focus here instead of …

A: Well, I think they should, yeah, because there are a lot of things that are wrong in America, and especially in the inner cities, that they could solve. Those are dangerous grounds, and they don’t have to be. There are good people there, but they’ve been oppressed by lack of work. Those people can all be working at something. These multibillionaires can create industries right here in America. But no one can tell them what to do. God’s got to lead them.

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[mucifer]

1. Too much LDS in the '60s.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

3. Latter Day Saints

[KingCharlemagne]

4. Um, I think that was Romney's (Mitt's, not George's) problem :) - nt

[jollyreaper2112]

5. Wow

Once you go mormon you go moron? Must be Romney's excuse.

[ND-Dem]

7. bob was never a latter day saint.

[LeftyMom]

9. I can't believe all these people missed the joke.

The Voyage Home is the best.

[madokie]

12. There was times the voyage home took longer

than the trip lasted
I remember a couple of those

[hunter]

13. I love that movie, along with Galaxy Quest.

[mucifer]

28. Yes!

[Warren DeMontague]

31. I caught it.

Recently watched that again. Yeah, it's a classic. Even more so, watching it now.

[2banon]

22. Did you mean LSD?

I don't know for a fact, but I don't recall LDS having more impact in the folk music milieu.. LSD on the other hand is another story.

[VanillaRhapsody]

2. Yeah...easy for a rich guy to say...

Fuck Bob Dylan...

[msongs]

19. so when rich guy obama says similar things do you suggest he be f'd too ? nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

26. Pretty much....

But then I never heard Obama say that the "government cannot create jobs" have you?

[bluedigger]

6. Are you kidding?

In a long attack on the social consciousness of billionaires he says "The government’s not going to create jobs" and now he's a right winger?

[ND-Dem]

8. he buys the fundamental premise: rich people create jobs. the only time this country's

had anything resembling generalized prosperity was during the "welfare state" circa 1940s-1975.

[bluedigger]

11. He isn't the only Liberal to fail a purity test.

I'll judge him on his career and body of work, rather than throw him under the bus for ideological talking points. At least he's calling out the 1% to do something positive with their accumulated wealth.

[Bluenorthwest]

14. No he's saying they don't do jack for anyone and that they could

create entire industries to employ Americans but don't. It is his opinion that they probably should. He repeatedly says that the are not. His premise is that rich people don't create jobs, aren't creating jobs but that they could and should in fact create jobs.

[ND-Dem]

16. then why does he say government doesn't create jobs? why isn't he calling on government to

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do something?


“The government’s not going to create jobs. It doesn’t have to. People have to create jobs, and these big billionaires are the ones who can do it.”

Compounding his display of intellectual ineptitude, he went on to say that “no one can tell (billionaires) what to do, God’s got to lead them.”

http://my.firedoglake.com/blog/2015/01/22/disgusted-in-euclids-response-to-bob-dylan-take-that-ignorant-rich-man/

[treestar]

21. I didn't see it that way

He was complaining that the billionaires aren't doing what they are supposed to be doing.

He said the government does not have to create jobs - which is true, that it is not the government's function. It helps when things get tough, but ideally it governs and does not have to worry about the economy. I think he meant it that way.

And work is something that makes people have good self esteem and be satisfied, and thus happy. He wasn't saying the right wing way that lazy people won't work. He was saying billionaires are creating jobs here, but abroad.

At this point he is pretty wealthy himself, and likely does create many jobs in the music business.

[ND-Dem]

23. maybe you should read the full quote. and as for government job creation, government has

always created jobs, one way or another, and the US's greatest prosperity was coincidentally during the biggest epoch of job creation ever, 1940's - 1975ish.


“The government’s not going to create jobs,” Dylan said. ”It doesn’t have to. People have to create jobs, and these big billionaires are the ones who can do it.” ...he went on to say that “no one can tell (billionaires) what to do, God’s got to lead them.”

The government is paying for a big chunk of the jobs created in medicine, in the private prison industry, at walmart...etc etc. And it's more and more the case. But the profit goes to the private sector.

It used to be just the military sector was that corrupt, now the model is spreading to the entire corporate sector.

Bullshit government doesn't create jobs. The question is, will we have it create decent jobs, or shit slave jobs?

Dylan creates jobs when they help Dylan make more money. That's been his MO throughout his career: he's all about Bob.

[treestar]

27. I dunno, I think he is probably liberal

And meant to chide the billionaires for putting jobs offshore.

[think]

17. Wholeheartedly Agree. Dylan is no right winger.....

The Political Bob Dylan
By Peter Dreier an E.P. Clapp Distinguished Professor of Politics, Occidental College

~Snip~

Dylan performed at several concerts to raise money for liberal causes--hunger in Bangladesh in 1971 and in Ethiopia in 1985, and the Farm Aid concert to raise money for U.S. family farmers later in 1985. In 1991, upon receiving the lifetime achievement award from the Academy of Recording Artists and Performers, while U.S. troops were fighting in Iraq, Dylan performed his "Masters of War." On election night 2008, Dylan was playing a concert at the University of Minnesota. As Barack Obama's victory was announced, Dylan said, "I was born in 1941. That was the year they bombed Pearl Harbor. I've been living in darkness ever since. It looks like things are going to change now." Then, deviating from his usual live encore of "Like a Rolling Stone," Dylan played "Blowin' in the Wind."

Full article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/the-political-bob-dylan_b_866494.html

[Marr]

10. Well, it's a message that's been adopted by our own party leadership and

repeated ad nauseum. I'm not surprised a lot of people have come to accept it as a truism.

[hunter]

15. Link to previous thread...

... that derailed in a similar manner:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026128499

[neverforget]

24. and some of the same people too

[KT2000]

18. this is not RW thinking

the trickle down was actually trickle up as we all know. Now the ones with all the money are stashing their cash overseas, sending jobs overseas etc. instead of investing in the US, to make even more money. He is making the point.
The government is limited in its ability to create jobs.

[appalachiablue]

29. +10.

[msongs]

20. he says wealthy people could do more to help those in need and that's bad mouthed on DU lol nt

[G_j]

25. he is saying the 1% does nothing to help, when they could.

somebody needs to revisit the definition or RWinger..

[appalachiablue]

30. +10.