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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:16 AM Jan 2015

Millions of GMO insects could be set loose in Florida Keys

KEY WEST, Fla. -

Millions of genetically modified mosquitoes could be released in the Florida Keys if British researchers win approval to use the bugs against two extremely painful viral diseases.

Never before have insects with modified DNA come so close to being set loose in a residential U.S. neighborhood.

"This is essentially using a mosquito as a drug to cure disease," said Michael Doyle, executive director of the Florida Keys Mosquito Control District, which is waiting to hear if the Food and Drug Administration will allow the experiment.

Dengue and chikungunya are growing threats in the U.S., but some people are more frightened at the thought of being bitten by a genetically modified organism. More than 130,000 signed a Change.org petition against the experiment.

Even potential boosters say those responsible must do more to show that benefits outweigh the risks.

"I think the science is fine, they definitely can kill mosquitoes, but the GMO issue still sticks as something of a thorny issue for the general public," said Phil Lounibos, who studies mosquito control at the Florida Medical Entomology Laboratory. "It's not even so much about the science — you can't go ahead with something like this if public opinion is negative."

http://www.local10.com/news/millions-of-gmo-insects-could-be-set-loose-in-florida-keys/30913922

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Millions of GMO insects could be set loose in Florida Keys (Original Post) mfcorey1 Jan 2015 OP
I can see where this end with giant man eating mosquitos hollysmom Jan 2015 #1
I think this is a good idea d_r Jan 2015 #2
Those Dinosaurs in Jurrassic Park couldn't reproduce either el_bryanto Jan 2015 #8
Because movies ALWAYS present scientific reality. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #10
I'm sorry I just find the idea of Ribbiting Mosquitos amusing. el_bryanto Jan 2015 #17
I wonder with the same credibility, "if the Death Star will appear on the far side of the planet..." LanternWaste Jan 2015 #14
Yet another excellent use of genetic modification. longship Jan 2015 #3
GMO crops have the same or lower yields as conventional crops GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #25
What could go wrong? Rex Jan 2015 #4
That was EXACTLY what I said when I first saw this news story. davsand Jan 2015 #23
People rioted about Jenner's smallpox vaccine Recursion Jan 2015 #5
with every loser in charge saying "no one could have expected that (fill in the blank ) would have belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #6
Frankenstein's monster was also fictional. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #13
I have read elsewhere that this can just make space for other bad mosquitoes - and then, guess what? djean111 Jan 2015 #7
Thread from last June along similar lines... SidDithers Jan 2015 #9
This is a brilliant use of genetic modification. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #11
Male mosquitoes don't bite mammals. MineralMan Jan 2015 #12
What disgusting sexism Orrex Jan 2015 #15
LOL! MineralMan Jan 2015 #16
Are they 100% sure that the larvae will die? ecstatic Jan 2015 #35
Yes, I believe they are. The entire point of this is MineralMan Jan 2015 #37
Chikungunya is spreading very fast & has many Animal reservoirs. Sunlei Jan 2015 #18
And there was a dengue outbreak on Maui a few years ago KamaAina Jan 2015 #22
Love the idea. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #19
I don't think I would be so afraid of what happens if one of these bugs bites me. I would be more jwirr Jan 2015 #20
that's a better question nt d_r Jan 2015 #21
nothing whatsoever that's unique to GMOs.... mike_c Jan 2015 #29
Mosquitos are an anomaly in that they're not particularly important to any ecosystem. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #31
Oryx and Crake Zorra Jan 2015 #24
If you want to see who really believes in Science... Lancero Jan 2015 #26
being anti-GMO is pretty much synonymous with being anti-science, IMO.... mike_c Jan 2015 #30
Kinda interesting how similar anti-gmo is to anti-vax. Lancero Jan 2015 #32
Let the misquitos do our dirty work. Let them go. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #27
GMO mosquitoes? The new name will be "monsquitoes" KansDem Jan 2015 #28
Sometimes I think the story of Florida is a lost text from Exodus. rug Jan 2015 #33
Sounds good to me. X_Digger Jan 2015 #34
I for one welcome our new insect overlords..... Coventina Jan 2015 #36

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
1. I can see where this end with giant man eating mosquitos
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:55 AM
Jan 2015

Instead of just scratching the skin, the will snap off our heads and drink our blood like out of a bottle.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
2. I think this is a good idea
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:08 AM
Jan 2015

The GMO mosquito s can't reproduce, they are self limiting because they have dead off spring. This is an invasive species of mosquita and this would be more effective control than spraying pesticides they develop immunity to.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
8. Those Dinosaurs in Jurrassic Park couldn't reproduce either
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jan 2015

But then it turned out they used Frog DNA so they could afterall. I wonder if these Mosquitos ribbit.

Bryant

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
17. I'm sorry I just find the idea of Ribbiting Mosquitos amusing.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:54 AM
Jan 2015

But I am aware that it's not scientifically possible - Mosquitos probably don't have lungs.

Bryant

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. I wonder with the same credibility, "if the Death Star will appear on the far side of the planet..."
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jan 2015

"I wonder if these Mosquitos ribbit..."

I wonder with the same credibility, "if the Death Star will appear on the far side of the planet..."

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. Yet another excellent use of genetic modification.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:52 AM
Jan 2015

It can feed the world, and it can rid the world of pestulence.

I agree that such things should be regulated, tested and controlled -- especially commercial control -- but the science wins in the end.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
25. GMO crops have the same or lower yields as conventional crops
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jan 2015

GMO crops are made to withstand additional pesticides.

And in a new paper (PDF) funded by the US Department of Agriculture, University of Wisconsin researchers have essentially negated the "more food" argument as well. The researchers looked at data from UW test plots that compared crop yields from various varieties of hybrid corn, some genetically modified and some not, between 1990 and 2010. While some GM varieties delivered small yield gains, others did not. Several even showed lower yields than non-GM counterparts. With the exception of one commonly used trait—a Bt type designed to kill the European corn borer—the authors conclude, "we were surprised not to find strongly positive transgenic yield effects." Both the glyphosate-tolerant (Roundup Ready) and the Bt trait for corn rootworm caused yields to drop.


http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2013/02/do-gmo-crops-have-lower-yields

Science studies cause and effect. PR on the other hand, often ignores such things.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
23. That was EXACTLY what I said when I first saw this news story.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jan 2015

Maybe it was too much time spent on horror movies as a kid, or maybe it is too much time spent on SyFi as an adult, but in either case, setting loose any non-naturally occurring thing ALWAYS ends up with somebody either getting eaten or some massive plague killing off the population of a major city. Ask any kid or any movie buff and they'll tell you.

The next thing that happens is that a woman must take her shirt off and anyone who has sex dies first...




Laura

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. People rioted about Jenner's smallpox vaccine
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 07:19 AM
Jan 2015

Sometimes you have to do the right thing despite public opinion.

 

belzabubba333

(1,237 posts)
6. with every loser in charge saying "no one could have expected that (fill in the blank ) would have
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:44 AM
Jan 2015

(fill in the blank)" when something goes wrong i dont think they should unleash a lab experiment into the field. frankenstein was fine until he got out. people are arrogant liars and cheaters and because of that we cant trust anybody to be sure of the results

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. I have read elsewhere that this can just make space for other bad mosquitoes - and then, guess what?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:14 AM
Jan 2015

Florida will keep on having to buy GMO mosquitoes!

MineralMan

(146,242 posts)
12. Male mosquitoes don't bite mammals.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jan 2015

When these altered males mate with female mosquitoes, the larvae die before maturing into adult mosquitoes. That means that nobody will be bitten by any mosquito with the altered genetics. It sounds like a good control mechanism to me. Similar releases of male insects have been done in the past, usually with the males sterilized by irradiation, though.

I can't see any particular issue with this idea. Science at work to benefit people. If people don't understand the science, they should actually read the article.

ecstatic

(32,640 posts)
35. Are they 100% sure that the larvae will die?
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 11:15 AM
Jan 2015

What if the offspring somehow adapts, survives, and goes on to reproduce?

MineralMan

(146,242 posts)
37. Yes, I believe they are. The entire point of this is
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jan 2015

to provide males whose offspring will not reach adulthood. I'm sure they've tested that through more than one generation of mosquitoes.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
18. Chikungunya is spreading very fast & has many Animal reservoirs.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jan 2015

Look at the timeline for 2014 and now 2015 almost 100,000 people in Colombia South America are reported infected. Several infected in Florida.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikungunya#Signs_and_symptoms

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
22. And there was a dengue outbreak on Maui a few years ago
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jan 2015

some kids brought it back from a trip to Tahiti.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
20. I don't think I would be so afraid of what happens if one of these bugs bites me. I would be more
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jan 2015

afraid of what happens to the next thing in the chain that eats the GMO bug. What is this going to do to the food chain?

mike_c

(36,263 posts)
29. nothing whatsoever that's unique to GMOs....
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 07:51 PM
Jan 2015

I mean, the point is vector control, so this will remove significant amounts of Aedes aegypti biomass from the food chain if it's successful, but that is the objective, not a side effect. Consider the alternatives, however. Aedes is largely resistant to most insecticides, so chemical control would likely be especially toxic and would certainly impact non-target species. This particular approach is 100% target specific, with no non-target effects of any consequence. It has no toxicity at all. Lower Aedes biomass will simply be made up with other resources in most cases. There are no predators that are exclusively dependent upon one species of mosquitoes. Depending upon when the progeny die, there might be some reduced water filtration in some isolated instances, but most people who let water accumulate in containers probably don't care much about how well filtered it is anyway.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
31. Mosquitos are an anomaly in that they're not particularly important to any ecosystem.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 08:06 PM
Jan 2015

Which is what makes them prime targets for deliberate eradication.

Lancero

(3,002 posts)
26. If you want to see who really believes in Science...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jan 2015

Mention GMO's - Bit intresting how people who are pro-science have a outright hatred to them.

mike_c

(36,263 posts)
30. being anti-GMO is pretty much synonymous with being anti-science, IMO....
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jan 2015

Lots of anti-GMO folks protest otherwise, but then trot out all the usual non-science and anti-science arguments against GMOs. None can produce actual science that supports their fears, but they often cite "studies" that are so obviously biased and manipulative that they directly subvert the process of scientific investigation, e.g. the Séralini affair.

Rejecting science out of hand because it contradicts one's closely held misconceptions is pretty much the definition of "anti-science" as far as I'm concerned. Deliberately doing bad science to manipulate the outcome of experiments in support of an anti-science agenda is just the icing on the cake.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
27. Let the misquitos do our dirty work. Let them go.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jan 2015

I don't have a problem with GMO food, either.

Happy to eat it.

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