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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:22 AM Jan 2015

Taken For Granted At Davos That US Government Run On ‘Legalized Corruption’

The Referees are deflating more than our balls, America.



Taken For Granted At Davos That US Government Run On ‘Legalized Corruption’

By: DSWright
FireDogLake.com, Wednesday January 21, 2015

While there may be confusion among some in the US as to how the American political system operates, it is apparently taken for granted by participants at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland that politics in America is based on bribery and corruption.

In an interview at Davos with Bloomberg News related to growing concerns about rising wealth inequality and its corruption influence on American politics economist and NYU business professor Nouriel Roubini stated as a matter of fact that it would be hard for the US to overcome wealth inequality because the US political system was based on “legalized corruption” which meant rich people – having more resources to bribe politicians with – would generally prevail.

Tom Keene, Bloomberg: How big is the plutocracy effect in 2015?

Nouriel Roubini: It’s significant because we are in a democracy where it supposedly has to be one man, one vote, but the reality is that those who are billionaires, those that have economic and financial power can affect legislation on taxation of capital gains, of carried interest by having that political power.

In the US we have a system of legalized corruption if you think about it. K Street and the lobbying affect legislation with the money they give the politician and therefore those who have financial resources have a greater impact on the political system than those who have less. So it’s not a true democracy, it’s a plutocracy.


This is not news to anyone paying attention. In fact, Princeton University produced an exhaustive study that made headlines demonstrating that the wealthy ultimately determine legislative outcomes in the US Congress. Add to that an experiment the progressive group CREDO and UC Berkeley ran where they offered meetings to representatives with either actual constituents or non-constituent donors with the representatives overwhelmingly choosing the donors and you certainly have a picture of a cynical system run on cash.

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http://news.firedoglake.com/2015/01/21/taken-for-granted-at-davos-that-us-government-run-on-legalized-corruption/#at_pco=cfd-1.0&at_ab=-&at_pos=7&at_tot=8&at_si=54c5412562e4586b
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Taken For Granted At Davos That US Government Run On ‘Legalized Corruption’ (Original Post) Octafish Jan 2015 OP
Yep..and we are supposed to cheer them on. Gets pretty old. n/t djean111 Jan 2015 #1
In 1991, I met Jean Bertrand Aristide, then the president in exile of Haiti... Octafish Jan 2015 #8
Thanks. Should be an OP on its own. nt djean111 Jan 2015 #9
I'm always very impressed by his apparent ability JonLP24 Jan 2015 #16
Amen. Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #34
Ditto. zeemike Jan 2015 #37
Absolutely. n/t Ghost Dog Jan 2015 #51
I've always been impressed by Octafish. DeSwiss Jan 2015 #52
I agree! JDPriestly Jan 2015 #60
+1 nt riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #71
K & R Thespian2 Jan 2015 #19
Bush Family Evil Empire blm Jan 2015 #21
Great post! Thanks.. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #32
"1 percent owning 99 percent" DeSwiss Jan 2015 #53
K&R stage left Jan 2015 #2
When Money is Speech Octafish Jan 2015 #14
"Free Speech" in capitalism is a lot like money -- some have a lot more KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #48
what? Locrian Jan 2015 #3
That's why we Lottery. It gives one Hope. Like a carrot on a stick. So be a good Donkey... Octafish Jan 2015 #15
sorry have to run Locrian Jan 2015 #22
Corporate McPravda Octafish Jan 2015 #29
K&R libodem Jan 2015 #4
The Davos oligarchs are right to fear the world they’ve made Octafish Jan 2015 #42
Thank you for the info libodem Jan 2015 #59
"This is not news to anyone paying attention." Yeah, but most are focused on deflated balls and ... Scuba Jan 2015 #5
I actually don't downplay the advantage it would have in 40-50 degree weather JonLP24 Jan 2015 #12
k&r CanSocDem Jan 2015 #6
NoCal's got the Bohemian Grove Octafish Jan 2015 #43
K/R marmar Jan 2015 #7
Corruption Is Now Officially Legal in the U.S., ''But Must Be Done Right'' Octafish Jan 2015 #44
It is so obvious JonLP24 Jan 2015 #10
If the current Government were interested in Justice, they'd hire William K. Black. Octafish Jan 2015 #45
Either we revolt, or live with it, because it ain't gonna ever change without Zorra Jan 2015 #11
I agree JonLP24 Jan 2015 #17
Secret Government and Secret Laws are un-American. Octafish Jan 2015 #67
Corruption in America? How can it be corruption if it is legal? Fuck off, Europe, the media in Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #13
Ben Bagdikian detailed the ''Media Monopoly'' in the 1980s... Octafish Jan 2015 #68
"not news to anyone paying attention" - exactly. closeupready Jan 2015 #18
Kicked Enthusiast Jan 2015 #20
K&R The more money Wall St has, the less democracy we experience. raouldukelives Jan 2015 #23
"Most people prefer money over democracy" = indeed ND-Dem Jan 2015 #62
K&R JEB Jan 2015 #24
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #25
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #26
SO....that's what it is called laserhaas Jan 2015 #27
"the wealthy ultimately determine legislative outcomes in the US" We're owned! L0oniX Jan 2015 #28
K&R nt Duval Jan 2015 #30
And in the "duh" department, a link from the article: mountain grammy Jan 2015 #31
DSG turbinetree Jan 2015 #33
Oh, we don't call it corruption. We call it Free Speech Demeter Jan 2015 #35
Davos, where a bunch of billionaire, James Bond villains meet at a secretive mountain retreat....... LongTomH Jan 2015 #36
Thank you, LongTomH! That should be a few OPs. Octafish Jan 2015 #46
Of course it is a plutocracy, that is what the owners of America wanted and so that is what Rex Jan 2015 #38
Corruption Madmiddle Jan 2015 #39
that just silly talk... handmade34 Jan 2015 #63
Mutiny would be an effective remedy. Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #40
DU's own beacon of wisdom Mr. Octafish 90-percent Jan 2015 #41
Corruption breeds cynicism KT2000 Jan 2015 #47
Hang 'em high. hifiguy Jan 2015 #49
Corruption is biggest problem in world in 3rd world countries. We've legalized it ErikJ Jan 2015 #50
Yes. Americans laugh about 'banana republics', yet that is just how we operate, too. closeupready Jan 2015 #65
K&R DeSwiss Jan 2015 #54
K&R. nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #55
That picture says it all about Capitalism in the US Ramses Jan 2015 #56
I believe "legalized corruption" is the best way to put it... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #57
That's exactly why they made money into "free speech" Beartracks Jan 2015 #58
DC is a racket. blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #61
citi called it a plutonomy in 2005 and on and on it goes... Agony Jan 2015 #64
thanks, Octafish. righteous as always. nt navarth Jan 2015 #66
Was there any question? NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #69
Better late than never... CanSocDem Jan 2015 #70

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. In 1991, I met Jean Bertrand Aristide, then the president in exile of Haiti...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jan 2015

It was a short time after the generals, with the tacit approval of Poppy Bush, overthrew the first democratically elected leader in 70 years of the poorest nation in the hemisphere. Aristide brought to my attention the concept of the "1 percent owning 99 percent" and I wrote about it at the time as a reporter and then 13 years or so later on DU:



Aristide told me the Generals ran Dope, Inc. on Haiti. Personally.

Posted by Octafish in General Discussion (Through 2005)
Sat Mar 20th 2004, 06:49 PM

Sorry if the following is an old read. The thing held true then and holds true still…

I met Jean Bertrand-Aristide after he was deposed by the generals in the early 90s. He came to metro Detroit and spoke before the Cranbrook Peace Foundation.

The newspaper I then worked for didn’t see any reason for sending me to cover Aristide’s speech. The editors weren’t BFEE, but the events on a Caribbean island just weren’t “local” enough for their budget. So, I went on my own time.

The Cranbrook people were happy to see me. They wanted, of course, as much coverage as possible. So, they invited me and the other interested reporter types to have at him for an hour before his address.

I’m ashamed to report, at an important event in two nation’s larger media market, only a couple of CBC radio reporters out of Windsor and one local Detroit TV crew bothered to show. I was the lone print guy. Anyway…

Aristide answered every question asked in English or French. He also told us about life in Haiti, where there were four doctors to care for 4 million people. Another interesting stat: One percent of the population own 99-percent of the property.

I asked Aristide what the United States could do to help him restore democracy to Haiti? Aristide said all Poppy Doc Bush had to do was pick up the phone, call the generals and say, “Get out,” and they would quit their coup and the first democratically elected leader of Haiti in 75 years would be returned to power. Bush didn't and Aristide wasn't until Clinton sent the US Marines, many years and many Haitian lives later.

The reason for Bush Senior's inaction? Aristide said he didn’t know the answer, but he suspected Bush’s politics favored the landowners over the masses. (“Sounds familiar,” I then thought and still think today.)

Aristide said that the generals were deep into the wholesale cocaine importation business. Now who would be their partner in all that? Besides the wealthy landowners, for whom the Generals worked, I mean.

Original OP from 2004: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1257891&mesg_id=1259743



The BFEE (AKA the War Party, War Inc., Wall Street Über Alles, the Mafia Banksters) and the people they front for as the Secret Government are doing to the United States of America what the landowners of Haiti -- and those in Columbia and the other nations of the world where the small minority control the majority of wealth, land and resources. These undemocratic tools only work to enhance their own privileged positions and holdings. The rest of humanity could be cattle or piss-ants, for all they care.

You know I am a broken record when it comes to Nov. 22, 1963: The problems our nation and world face today -- from war without end to inequality and welfare for the wealthy to pollution and overpopulation to those who think "There's nothing we can do..." stem from that moment when the forces of totalitarianism took control of the US government from democracy.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
16. I'm always very impressed by his apparent ability
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:15 AM
Jan 2015

to locate, organize & store countless and ready to lay out detailed accounts to something as far ranging as me posting an article of a nobody (not well known, especially so for even someone with the Obama administration) who wrote a college paper a few months prior to taking the job in the administration the paper advocating for "cognitive infiltration" (a fancy word for trolling) to debunk conspiracy theories & he responds to that post with additional information on that nobody as well as a specific.. operation is probably the best word I think of right now that has been going on since the Bush administration. I'd have to his post ready to give a an accurate account of the content was.

I'd favor in making a special folder on DU which has the entire collection of the poster's articles & links in that one folder. I applaud the awareness he brings to countless & wide ranging issues.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
53. "1 percent owning 99 percent"
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:32 PM
Jan 2015
- Stefan Molyneux calls it human farming. Which makes being farmers sound better than being slave-masters, I suppose.....

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
14. When Money is Speech
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:06 AM
Jan 2015

The Poor have no Voice.

And many if not most of us are fast becoming penniless.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
3. what?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jan 2015

How can this be with the "liberal" media, "hollywood elite", tree-hugger / environmentalist, left wing / commie socialists in charge? I just don't get it. They have ALL the power.

Especially the poor. They get EVERYTHING just handed to them for doing nothing. I sometime wish I had it as good as them just getting paid for nothing. Lucky I have a superior work ethic and actually earn my living.



Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. That's why we Lottery. It gives one Hope. Like a carrot on a stick. So be a good Donkey...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:12 AM
Jan 2015


Perhaps one day our patriotic media will have to again observe the Fairness Doctrine, which served the community, not the 1-percent.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
22. sorry have to run
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jan 2015

I'm too busy reading about the Superbowl, Ebola, Isis, and all the attacks on us white males. We're such an oppressed segment of the population. Wish I had all the power and advantage they're giving to minorities.

The teevee media (well at least the ones reporting the truth, not the liberal lies) tells me that the powerful rich job creators are trying to help - but there's too much money being spent on welfare for the poor, and they need tax cuts to be able to help us.



Octafish

(55,745 posts)
29. Corporate McPravda
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:37 PM
Jan 2015
Wanna Know Why We the People Really Don't Know Squat?

Corporate McPravda owns the airwaves.



And Corporate Tee Vee is still where most Americans get most of their information, including their ideas about these two statues. Wonder what people would think were they to learn from the tee vee what pater and fils have really done with their power?



The Propaganda System That Has Helped Create a Permanent Overclass Is Over a Century in the Making

Pulling back the curtain on how intent the wealthiest Americans have been on establishing a propaganda tool to subvert democracy.

Wednesday, 17 April 2013 00:00
By Andrew Gavin Marshall, AlterNet | News Analysis

Where there is the possibility of democracy, there is the inevitability of elite insecurity. All through its history, democracy has been under a sustained attack by elite interests, political, economic, and cultural. There is a simple reason for this: democracy – as in true democracy – places power with people. In such circumstances, the few who hold power become threatened. With technological changes in modern history, with literacy and education, mass communication, organization and activism, elites have had to react to the changing nature of society – locally and globally.

From the late 19th century on, the “threats” to elite interests from the possibility of true democracy mobilized institutions, ideologies, and individuals in support of power. What began was a massive social engineering project with one objective: control. Through educational institutions, the social sciences, philanthropic foundations, public relations and advertising agencies, corporations, banks, and states, powerful interests sought to reform and protect their power from the potential of popular democracy.

SNIP...

The development of psychology, psychoanalysis, and other disciplines increasingly portrayed the “public” and the population as irrational beings incapable of making their own decisions. The premise was simple: if the population was driven by dangerous, irrational emotions, they needed to be kept out of power and ruled over by those who were driven by reason and rationality, naturally, those who were already in power.

The Princeton Radio Project, which began in the 1930s with Rockefeller Foundation funding, brought together many psychologists, social scientists, and “experts” armed with an interest in social control, mass communication, and propaganda. The Princeton Radio Project had a profound influence upon the development of a modern "democratic propaganda" in the United States and elsewhere in the industrialized world. It helped in establishing and nurturing the ideas, institutions, and individuals who would come to shape America’s “democratic propaganda” throughout the Cold War, a program fostered between the private corporations which own the media, advertising, marketing, and public relations industries, and the state itself.

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http://truth-out.org/news/item/15784-the-propaganda-system-that-has-helped-create-a-permanent-overclass-is-over-a-century-in-the-making



Here's how much of the nation's press were magically transformed from watchdogs into lapdogs:




The Powell Memo (also known as the Powell Manifesto)

The Powell Memo was first published August 23, 1971

Introduction

In 1971, Lewis Powell, then a corporate lawyer and member of the boards of 11 corporations, wrote a memo to his friend Eugene Sydnor, Jr., the Director of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The memorandum was dated August 23, 1971, two months prior to Powell’s nomination by President Nixon to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Powell Memo did not become available to the public until long after his confirmation to the Court. It was leaked to Jack Anderson, a liberal syndicated columnist, who stirred interest in the document when he cited it as reason to doubt Powell’s legal objectivity. [font color="red"]Anderson cautioned that Powell “might use his position on the Supreme Court to put his ideas into practice…in behalf of business interests.”[/font color]

Though Powell’s memo was not the sole influence, the Chamber and corporate activists took his advice to heart and began building a powerful array of institutions designed to shift public attitudes and beliefs over the course of years and decades. The memo influenced or inspired the creation of the Heritage Foundation, the Manhattan Institute, the Cato Institute, Citizens for a Sound Economy, Accuracy in Academe, and other powerful organizations. Their long-term focus began paying off handsomely in the 1980s, in coordination with the Reagan Administration’s “hands-off business” philosophy.

Most notable about these institutions was their focus on education, shifting values, and movement-building — a focus we share, though often with sharply contrasting goals.* (See our endnote for more on this.)

So did Powell’s political views influence his judicial decisions? The evidence is mixed. [font color="red"]Powell did embrace expansion of corporate privilege and wrote the majority opinion in First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, a 1978 decision that effectively invented a First Amendment “right” for corporations to influence ballot questions.[/font color] On social issues, he was a moderate, whose votes often surprised his backers.

CONTINUED...

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/



Thankfully, to help spread light when the protectors of the First Amendment won't, Maria Galardin's TUC (Time of Useful Consciousness) Radio. The podcast helps explain how we got here and what we need to do to move forward, starting with putting the "Public" into Airwaves again:



Alex Carey: Corporations and Propaganda
The Attack on Democracy


The 20th century, said Carey, is marked by three historic developments: the growth of democracy via the expansion of the franchise, the growth of corporations, and the growth of propaganda to protect corporations from democracy. Carey wrote that the people of the US have been subjected to an unparalleled, expensive, 3/4 century long propaganda effort designed to expand corporate rights by undermining democracy and destroying the unions. And, in his manuscript, unpublished during his life time, he described that history, going back to World War I and ending with the Reagan era. Carey covers the little known role of the US Chamber of Commerce in the McCarthy witch hunts of post WWII and shows how the continued campaign against "Big Government" plays an important role in bringing Reagan to power.

John Pilger called Carey "a second Orwell", Noam Chomsky dedicated his book, Manufacturing Consent, to him. And even though TUC Radio runs our documentary based on Carey's manuscript at least every two years and draws a huge response each time, Alex Carey is still unknown.

Given today's spotlight on corporations that may change. It is not only the Occupy movement that inspired me to present this program again at this time. By an amazing historic coincidence Bill Moyers and Charlie Cray of Greenpeace have just added the missing chapter to Carey's analysis. Carey's manuscript ends in 1988 when he committed suicide. Moyers and Cray begin with 1971 and bring the corporate propaganda project up to date.

This is a fairly complex production with many voices, historic sound clips, and source material. The program has been used by writers and students of history and propaganda. Alex Carey: Taking the Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda VS Freedom and Liberty with a foreword by Noam Chomsky was published by the University of Illinois Press in 1995.

SOURCE: http://tucradio.org/new.html



If you find a moment, Locrian, here's the first part (scroll down at the link for the second part) of a wonderful web-based radio program on Carey:

http://tucradio.org/AlexCarey_ONE.mp3

It's important for there to be more than a handful of companies providing "news." Democracy depends on it. Thank you for grokking, Locrian.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
42. The Davos oligarchs are right to fear the world they’ve made
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 07:46 PM
Jan 2015


The Davos oligarchs are right to fear the world they’ve made

Seumas Milne
The Guardian, jan. 22, 2015

The billionaires and corporate oligarchs meeting in Davos this week are getting worried about inequality. It might be hard to stomach that the overlords of a system that has delivered the widest global economic gulf in human history should be handwringing about the consequences of their own actions.

But even the architects of the crisis-ridden international economic order are starting to see the dangers. It’s not just the maverick hedge-funder George Soros, who likes to describe himself as a class traitor. Paul Polman, Unilever chief executive, frets about the “capitalist threat to capitalism”. Christine Lagarde, the IMF managing director, fears capitalism might indeed carry Marx’s “seeds of its own destruction” and warns that something needs to be done.

The scale of the crisis has been laid out for them by the charity Oxfam. Just 80 individuals now have the same net wealth as 3.5 billion people – half the entire global population. Last year, the best-off 1% owned 48% of the world’s wealth, up from 44% five years ago. On current trends, the richest 1% will have pocketed more than the other 99% put together next year. The 0.1% have been doing even better, quadrupling their share of US income since the 1980s.

SNIP...

In most of the world, labour’s share of national income has fallen continuously and wages have stagnated under this regime of privatisation, deregulation and low taxes on the rich. At the same time finance has sucked wealth from the public realm into the hands of a small minority, even as it has laid waste the rest of the economy. Now the evidence has piled up that not only is such appropriation of wealth a moral and social outrage, but it is fuelling social and climate conflict, wars, mass migration and political corruption, stunting health and life chances, increasing poverty, and widening gender and ethnic divides.

SNIP...

Perhaps a section of the worried elite might be prepared to pay a bit more tax. What they won’t accept is any change in the balance of social power – which is why, in one country after another, they resist any attempt to strengthen trade unions, even though weaker unions have been a crucial factor in the rise of inequality in the industrialised world.

CONTINUED...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/22/davos-oligarchs-fear-inequality-global-elite-resist?CMP=ema_565

The Have-Mosts will use the Have-Mores and Haves to keep the 99 percent under control until Democracy says, "No more."
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
5. "This is not news to anyone paying attention." Yeah, but most are focused on deflated balls and ...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jan 2015

... the size of Kim Kardashian's butt.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
12. I actually don't downplay the advantage it would have in 40-50 degree weather
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:59 AM
Jan 2015

but the US is committing atrocities all over the world and among the things many of its citizens concern them self is viewing an organization as corrupt (long before the deflated balls, which functions as ammo for the many Patriot haters) for violation of the regulations of a privately run cartel.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
43. NoCal's got the Bohemian Grove
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jan 2015
Justice Thomas reported a wealth of gifts

In the last six years he has accepted free items valued at $42,200, the most on the high court.

Richard A. Serrano and David G. Savage
Los Angeles Times, December 31, 2004|

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has accepted tens of thousands of dollars worth of gifts since joining the high court, including $1,200 worth of tires, valuable historical items and a $5,000 personal check to help pay a relative's education expenses.

SNIP...

[font color="green"]He also took a free trip aboard a private jet to the exclusive Bohemian Grove club in Northern California -- arranged by a wealthy Texas real estate investor who helped run an advocacy group that filed briefs with the Supreme Court. [/font color]

Those and other gifts were disclosed by Thomas under a 1978 federal ethics law that requires high-ranking government officials, including the nine Supreme Court justices, to file a report each year that lists gifts, money and other items they have received.

Thomas has reported accepting much more valuable gifts than his Supreme Court colleagues over the last six years, according to their disclosure forms on file at the court.

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http://articles.latimes.com/2004/dec/31/nation/na-gifts31

It's a good bet that Clarence's Sugar Daddy has kept the receipts, sort of an IOU.

Thank you for grokking, CanSocDem!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
44. Corruption Is Now Officially Legal in the U.S., ''But Must Be Done Right''
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jan 2015

by Erich Zeuss
GlobalResearch.ca

On December 10th, Wall Street’s federal appeals court, the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals, ruled that if inside information about what is going to happen to a corporation is taken advantage of by an investor, it’s okay, so long as the source of the inside-tip isn’t directly paid for passing it along.

In other words, if you have friends who have inside information that they received from their friends, they are free to pass it along to you, and you are free to pass inside information that you possess along to them to pass along to others, but neither of you is permitted to pay the other for any inside tip — the information can legally be acted on only if the tipper is not paid for the tip.

CONTINUED w/links...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/corruption-is-now-officially-legal-in-the-u-s-but-must-be-done-right/5419612

Sad day in America when a guy can't find the scratch to buy his own politician, even with all these great corrupt laws.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
10. It is so obvious
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:53 AM
Jan 2015

Last edited Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:13 AM - Edit history (1)

but since both parties are very partisan they whitewash, defend, pretend it isn't true something when there a prominent member of their party does it and both parties do it. It is so obviously clear. Why would a former Green Party member who worked on Ralph Nader's Presidential campaign who later became elected and is among the most poorest House Members recently voted against Wall-Street reform & vote for "Citibank protection" for anything else other than corruption?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
45. If the current Government were interested in Justice, they'd hire William K. Black.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jan 2015
William K. Black is the Man.

Dr. Black is a forensic economist who helped put thousands of Savings & Loan crooks behind bars in the 80s and 90s. That Trillion dollar bailout was peanuts compared to the Banksters of '08. He terms the phenomenon"Control Fraud." For some reason, no one from the Bush or Obama administrations have called him back to government service.

http://neweconomicperspectives.org/category/william-k-black

The guy would fill the prisons with Banksters and all manner of traitors so damn fast it would give Cheney whiplash.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
11. Either we revolt, or live with it, because it ain't gonna ever change without
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:54 AM
Jan 2015

serious, peaceful mass revolution.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
17. I agree
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jan 2015

but much like the "wasted vote", we live with it because most likely everyone else is going to live with it. A "wasted vote" voting bloc could be significant, a study based on 92 exit polls claimed that if all the voters who would have voted for Ross Perot if they didn't consider it a "wasted vote", voted for him anyways could have impacted the election based on the popular vote lead it would have given him but the "wasted voters" made the right call since the other wasted voters didn't vote for him.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
67. Secret Government and Secret Laws are un-American.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 10:20 AM
Jan 2015

No Oversight means No Accountability and No Responsibility. It also means that the beneficiaries of all these secret laws, programs and deals are unknown. "Trust us" doesn't cut it when there's trillions to be made for secret agents.

Secret Government is an issue that cuts across ideological, party and class lines like nothing else. People aren't stupid. They see the rich keep getting richer and everyone else getting stuck with the tab. You should see my Republican friends' eyes light up when they discover NSA's main contractor Booz Allen Hamilton happens to be owned by Carlyle Group.

The keepers think that they can continue to get away with treason, conspiracy, crime and all the rest of their corruption. The crooks always thinks that.

When the People find out the truth, though, it's: "Goodnight, Corruption!" And like in Gdansk, the numbers will be "fix-proof."

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
13. Corruption in America? How can it be corruption if it is legal? Fuck off, Europe, the media in
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:04 AM
Jan 2015

America will make sure it does not get out of hand....yes?

Shows like 60 Minutes are incorruptible. Witness with your own lying eyes the hard hitting cross examination of the GOP Congressional leaders yesterday, that was amazing journalism, American style.

The incorruptible and not at all propaganda pushing American media has the common folks backs. It is not like they have ALL gone corporate or anything.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
68. Ben Bagdikian detailed the ''Media Monopoly'' in the 1980s...
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 10:25 AM
Jan 2015

I was told, to my face at a conference by a major newspaper publisher, that "Ben Bagdikian is full of shit!" when I brought this up.

Ha ha. It is to laugh.



The New Communications Cartel

from the

Preface to the Fifth Edition (1997)

of the book

The Media Monopoly

by Ben H. Bagdikian

published by Beacon Press, 1997

In the last 5 years, a small number of the country's largest industrial corporations has acquired more public communications power-including ownership of the news-than any private businesses have ever before possessed in world history.

Nothing in earlier history matches this corporate group's power to penetrate the social landscape. Using both old and new technology, by owning each other's shares, engaging in joint ventures as partners, and other forms of cooperation, this handful of giants has created what is, in effect, a new communications cartel within the United States.

At issue is not just a financial statistic, like production numbers or ordinary industrial products like refrigerators or clothing. At issue is the possession of power to surround almost every man, woman, and child in the country with controlled images and words, to socialize each new generation of Americans, to alter the political agenda of the country. And with that power comes the ability to exert influence that in many ways is greater than that of schools, religion, parents, and even government itself.

Aided by the digital revolution and the acquisition of subsidiaries that operate at every step in the mass communications process, from the creation of content to its delivery into the home, the communications cartel has exercised stunning influence over national legislation and government agencies, an influence whose scope and power would have been considered scandalous or illegal twenty years ago.

The new communications cartel has been made possible by the withdrawal of earlier government intervention that once aspired to protect consumers and move toward the ideal of diversity of content and ownership in the mass media. Government's passivity has emboldened the new giants to boast openly of monopoly and their ability to project news, commercial messages, and graphic images into the consciousness and subconscious of almost every American.

Strict control of public information is not new in the world, but historical dictatorships lacked the late twentieth century's digital multimedia and distribution technology. As the country approaches the millennium, the new cartel exercises a more complex and subtle kind of control.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/CommunCartel_Bagdikian.html



Third World Traveler has an excellent resource on it: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaMonopoly_Bagdikian.html
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
18. "not news to anyone paying attention" - exactly.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:23 AM
Jan 2015

And it's a great gig if you can land a job in Congress, even if just for two years. Lifetime, fully-paid health care, generous defined benefit plan, half the year off on vacation, what's not to like about that kind of scam?

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
23. K&R The more money Wall St has, the less democracy we experience.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:54 AM
Jan 2015

The only revolution we really need is for people with a liberal conscience to start acting like it instead of just playing pretend.
One cannot devote themselves to feeding & enriching the monster denying not just ourselves, but the entire world a fair shake at democracy and then turn around and claim to be someone on the side of the commoner.

We have people who provide material support & comfort to the most heinous villains we can produce. People who deny science, people who deny the Constitution, people who thirst for war, people who deny aid to the least among us. They are in power because many people have worked hard and paid for them to be in power.

When it all boils down to the basics. Most people prefer money over democracy. It is evident by the representation we have in DC. The best ones Wall St dollars can buy. Dollars provided by people more concerned with themselves than the ripples that expand outwardly from every drop in the corporate pond. Ripples that are literally killing us.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
24. K&R
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jan 2015

It is right there in front of us, thumbing its nose and there ain't shit anybody like myself can do.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
27. SO....that's what it is called
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:29 PM
Jan 2015

Corruption = regular business and politico too

Duh...No Shit,..category kind

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
28. "the wealthy ultimately determine legislative outcomes in the US" We're owned!
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:34 PM
Jan 2015

But hey ...Hillary Sachs is inevitable.

turbinetree

(24,685 posts)
33. DSG
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:22 PM
Jan 2015

We need to help out with Democratic Study Group (DSG----from long ago and to some of the current names being used to today like the CPC ---Congressional Progressive Caucus) and our message, and what it did in the past and into the future, which made the middle class and poor stronger.
Instead of the right wing republicans new message from the RSC from such funded groups like AEI ( American Enterprise Institute, Americans for Prosperity, ect.....) and of the message which came out of Iowa in there little right wing get together on how they are all concerned about the citizens of this country in there new rebranding that they are for "INCOME EQUALITY"----I mean really, this is coming from Mittens, and Cruz and others, and there 200 million funds compared to the "excitable donors" of 25 dollars and some of our functions and groups having only 40 million for example to get the message out .
The AMP 2015 winter magazine subscription had and has a very good article on the DSG,
I strongly believe that this what is needed, this election is extremely critical for the citizens of this country

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
35. Oh, we don't call it corruption. We call it Free Speech
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 05:33 PM
Jan 2015

and the one with the most $$$$ wins. First Amendment, and all that.
Revolving door.
Police brutality.
No jobs, no hope, no change, no future.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
36. Davos, where a bunch of billionaire, James Bond villains meet at a secretive mountain retreat.......
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:19 PM
Jan 2015

..............to plan their continuing campaign of highway robbery!

Apparently, this year's Davos participants are supposed to give lip service to the issue of growing inequality in the world; but, Beware the Dark Side, Luke:

But the Davos man is not completely unaware of the bitter feelings this nurtures in the great mass of humanity living below the snow-line. According to (sociologist Richard) Sennett, whenever the Davos man begins discussing the people who are “left behind,” they become distinctly uncomfortable and start fidgeting. Clearly they recognized the existence of the 99 percent who are not so comfortable with building their lives on the shifting quicksand of entrepreneurial capitalism.


Even the rightwing National Review is weighing on Davos Destructive Elites. The author critiques hypocrisy of the elites who express concern about global warming, while the 1,700 private jets filling general aviation hangars at Davos contribute such a large carbon footprint.



And their hypocrisy about discussing inequality while:

The stories add up: Jeff Greene brings multiple nannies on his private jet to Davos, and the rest of the guys gathered to talk past each other about the plight of the working man scarf down couture hot-dogs that cost forty bucks. Bill Clinton makes the case for wealth-redistribution while sporting a $60,000 platinum Rolex.


Give the author credit, he does criticize his fellow conservatives as well as 'liberals' like Clinton.

Oh, almost forgot to mention, that guy with the two nannies on his private jet, Jeff Greene, he's the guy telling the American middle class that their expectations are unrealistic:

Billionaire Jeff Greene, who amassed a multibillion dollar fortune investing in real estate and betting against subprime mortgage securities, says the U.S. faces a jobs crisis that will cause social unrest and radical politics.

“America’s lifestyle expectations are far too high and need to be adjusted so we have less things and a smaller, better existence,” Greene said in an interview today at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “We need to reinvent our whole system of life.”


Blogger Felix Salman actually gets around to asking: How Stupid is a Davos audience, anyway?

As you can expect, the big money people: the IMF and international banksters are arguing about how to screw Europe's working people:

Speaking on the Bloomberg panel, Ray Dalio of the hedge fund Bridgewater Associates asserted that a European worker costs twice as much as an American one, after making adjustments. And those who see a big role for structural reforms say that Spain is an example of a country that has reaped benefits in recent years from carrying out such measures.

//snip

Still, speaking about structural overhauls in Davos is much harder than putting them in place. The overhauls often involve policies that will lead to lower incomes for many workers, and layoffs.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
46. Thank you, LongTomH! That should be a few OPs.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 08:52 PM
Jan 2015

Living above the clouds and lording it over the proles, these globalist turdballs must think that the drones and H-bomb will protect them. They have no idea of the power of an idea, nor a defense for the good ones.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
38. Of course it is a plutocracy, that is what the owners of America wanted and so that is what
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 07:03 PM
Jan 2015

they got. The idiots that run around and pretend everything is just fine are the same ones that would destroy this country in order to save it.

I have a hard time with who to blame more; the owners or the enablers that have no moral compass and sellout for pennies on the dollar.

 

Madmiddle

(459 posts)
39. Corruption
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jan 2015

of the Feds has been around forever. These days it is there for everyone to see, but because we are all sheep, it will carry on. Until people pick up the arms we are constitutionally allowed to use against this corrupt form of government, we will not exact change as seen fit. We have every right to put a stop to it and we fucking well a have the might to change all of government.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
63. that just silly talk...
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 07:40 AM
Jan 2015

it is not guns we need... it is mass collective action that is necessary for change and that doesn't come from a few people with guns playing shoot 'em up...

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
41. DU's own beacon of wisdom Mr. Octafish
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 07:37 PM
Jan 2015

Is a giant among progressive liberals of the world. The current state of affairs is so French Revolution-y that I can't help contemplating that the solution of last resort for those of us unfortunate enough to be in the bottom 99% would be Sharon Engel's classic:


SECOND AMENDMENT SOLUTION

To wreak some justice upon our greedy sociopath plutocrats and their fucking White House cuff links.

-90% Jimmy

KT2000

(20,568 posts)
47. Corruption breeds cynicism
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:03 PM
Jan 2015

and that is what I am seeing more of from the 99%. Lots of things die with that, like hope, trust, and community.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
49. Hang 'em high.
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:18 PM
Jan 2015

As Ed Schultz used to say, if you're not outraged it's because you aren't paying any attention.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
50. Corruption is biggest problem in world in 3rd world countries. We've legalized it
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 10:13 PM
Jan 2015

so its hidden from the masses.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
57. I believe "legalized corruption" is the best way to put it...
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:23 AM
Jan 2015

After seeing posts about Greece and the comments that were made, the best explanation of what goes on is a legalized corruption of one society and then another.

On the domestic side in the US, have so many completely forgotten who has been in charge of writing laws on behalf of the oil and gas industry, thereby corrupting what is a constitutional right to clean air and water? Or, how about taking over countries and opening the door to corruption from the international banking system?

Unparalleled wealth is the gateway to legislation and the coup d'etat.

Beartracks

(12,801 posts)
58. That's exactly why they made money into "free speech"
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:46 AM
Jan 2015

It was specifically so plutocracy could be redefined as democracy. I mean, $1 of a rich man's money is no more powerful than $1 of a poor man's money, no?



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Agony

(2,605 posts)
64. citi called it a plutonomy in 2005 and on and on it goes...
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 07:59 AM
Jan 2015

they have been strategizing around this idea for a while.

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2007/01/08/plutonomics/
"
1. They are all created by “disruptive technology-driven productivity gains, creative financial innovation, capitalist friendly cooperative governments, immigrants…the rule of law and patenting inventions. Often these wealth waves involve great complexity exploited best by the rich and educated of the time.”

2. There is no “average” consumer in Plutonomies. There is only the rich “and everyone else.” The rich account for a disproportionate chunk of the economy, while the non-rich account for “surprisingly small bites of the national pie.” Kapur estimates that in 2005, the richest 20% may have been responsible for 60% of total spending.

3. Plutonomies are likely to grow in the future, fed by capitalist-friendly governments, more technology-driven productivity and globalization.
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