Nothing To See Here: 39th Banker Dead in 13 Months, Third this Year

[99th_Monkey]

39th Banker Dead in 13 Months, Third this Year
Shepard Ambellas * January 27, 2015 * Anti-Media.org

(INTELLIHUB) OVERVEEN, Netherlands — ABN Amro banker Chris Van Eeghen allegedly committed suicide in is home Monday, marking the fourth Amro banker to die in 4-years, and the 39th banker to die in the last 13 months, in an unusual string of deaths.

Neighbors and colleagues of Van Eeghen describe him as an extremely nice guy, pointing out how they were shocked by his death. Van Eeghen previously attended the University of Buckingham, studied law and was also a football player. He was considered a professional banker with a good reputation.

Although some can’t beleive Van Eeghen committed suicide, it’s worthy to point out that his Facebook page was recently changed to read “former” head of syndicate, ABN Amro Corporate Finance & Capital Markets, as reported by Quote 500.

Van Eeghen’s girlfriend wrote in an email, “We were like boys in dealings among themselves, talking about women, the world. That was perhaps also the friendship I had with him, my courage and freedom versus his humor. To accept his death I assume that Chris wanted freedom, this was the way to take his freedom. He was always thinking of others. He kept neatly in earthly life.”

http://theantimedia.org/39-dead-banker/

[Exhibit A]

1. Does anyone have a complete list?

I've been following this string of alleged suicides for a while now. It's pretty creepy.

[99th_Monkey]

2. Not sure.

But I agree it's creepy.
I keep posting these 'suicides' when I see them.

[dixiegrrrrl]

8. List can be found on Google.

Here is one site

http://www.hangthebankers.com/48-suspicious-banking-deaths/

A lot of strange suicides, and suspicious deaths.
( shooting self with nail gun 8 times????...sheesh)

[Exhibit A]

9. Thanks! Will check that out. n/t

[Jamastiene]

55. Now, that is damned determined to die.

A train would be easier to face than that kind of torment.

[merrily]

3. I've heard currency is full of germs. Maybe it's a money virus.

[FLPanhandle]

36. Modern bankers probably never even see currency.

They deal with computers and numbers.

[merrily]

50. Computers have viruses.

It wasn't a serious post.

[pkdu]

4. And that compares in what way to any other profession ?

Belongs in CT.

[shraby]

5. I prefer it in general discussion. Helps me know about things like this.

If stuff gets too categorized, a lot is missed.

[sabrina 1]

6. You mean these suicides of Bankers are a CT? They did not occur? Can you prove that please? I would

like to know if these reports are false, thank you.

[pkdu]

7. I asked a question...if YOU have an answer , I'm happy to listen.....so far

crickets or CT

39 in 13 months is average of 3 per month...worldwide , judging by latest addition. How does this number compare to Firemen , Cops , Nurses , Lawyers , Teachers , etc?

[GreatGazoo]

10. shouldn't you be asking for the rate instead of just totals?

Natural scientists are 1.28 times more likely to commit suicide than average
Pharmacists are 1.29 times more likely to commit suicide
Precision woodworkers are 1.3 times more likely to commit suicide
Electricians are 1.31 times more likely to commit suicide
Farm managers are 1.32 times more likely to commit suicide
Lawyers are 1.33 times more likely to commit suicide
Real estate sellers are 1.38 times more likely to commit suicide than average
Urban planners are 1.43 times more likely to commit suicide
Chiropractors are 1.5 times more likely to commit suicide than average
#5 Finance workers are 1.51 times more likely to commit suicide
Veterinarians are 1.54 times more likely to commit suicide
Dentists are 1.67 times more likely to commit suicide
Physicians are 1.87 times more likely to commit suicide

Full list:
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-suicidal-occupations-2011-10?op=1#ixzz3QHyXccUA

[99th_Monkey]

18. We're NOT just talking about the 'profession of banking' i.e. bankers

we are talking about the very top echelon of executive bankers. <-- THIS is what is so
unusual and creepy .. and there are no statistics that I know of that distinguish between
all bankers and TOP echelon bankers killing themselves.

Bottom line, this list is dated 2011, before all this recent uptick of bogus suicides started
happening, and even if it was same period of time, we are taking about the upper tier of
executives, not all bankers.

[jwirr]

28. The top 3 are all people who have easy access to the means to committ suicide. Which could

explain there rate. Tension may be a cause in the financial workers rate. Then again fear of the future could also be the problem. But who knows.

[pkdu]

31. Exactly ....better put than I did...maybe physicians know more about the pending collapse of the

world economy and a new world order!!

/sarc off


Thanks

[sabrina 1]

11. Do you have stats on that? The only other stats I can think of are US Military Veterans

from the Iraq and Afghanistan travesties. Up to 22 suicides per day after returning from the hell holes created by the Bush/Cheney war criminals.

Hey, war is good! Wall St. profits from war. I noticed that Wells Fargo, whose corrupt mortgage practices claimed the homes of many Americans, one of them a friend of mine, illegally, claims to 'support the troops' on banners, with flags flying in the lobbies of their banks.

My friend, whose home they stole, was the widow of a War Veteran. They seized her home on Veterans Day.

Their attorney mocked the homeowners at a Christmas party, mocked their claims of being veterans etc. Then blamed Reporters for publishing their little 'party'.

I imagine that being a Wall St Banker, assuming you have some principles, might result in the same desperation and inability to live with what you have witnessed and/or participated in, as our tragic war veterans, who, unwittingly, at great cost to themselves and their families, made them all so very, very wealthy.

[JDPriestly]

13. What percentage of the bankers of the world have committed suicide over the

given period?

And could it be that people who go into banking live under a lot of stress and fear that may cause them to dread their lives?

[99th_Monkey]

22. It's not "all bankers" that we're talking about here.

These guys (all 39) are from the very top echelon of executives, so it's apples and
oranges to suggest otherwise.

That's why it's ever "news" in the first place, as I don't notice any news articles
when my local bank teller offs himself.

[JDPriestly]

23. Then what percent of the top echelon of bankers have committed suicide?

Is the percentage high enough to be statistically significant?

That is the question.

[99th_Monkey]

24. Good question

not sure there's an answer out there, but that's what google's for. I do kinda doubt
that anyone's put together such a study however, but if this keeps up, maybe i'll write
a grant to do just that.

[99th_Monkey]

21. Thanks for your voice of sanity, again.

I slept in today trying to kick a cold.

All this CT talk is weird. I just posted this in response to some of the more dismissive posts, FYI.
They are missing the whole point it's not 'all bankers' who are supposedly killing themselves, it's
the very top echelon of execs, and that is what is so noteworthy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6157912
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6157925

[sabrina 1]

43. Thank you. I don't understand why anyone would be trying to diminish those deaths anyhow.

I think it's very tragic for one thing, for their families, and shouldn't there be some effort to find out what drove these people to do what they did? They must have been intensely disturbed about something. That many, for a relatively small group SHOULD raise questions, imo.

[99th_Monkey]

48. It's always interesting to see who's super-quick to dismiss what on DU. bt

[sabrina 1]

52. It definitely is. Can't imagine why this story appears to make some people feel threatened. It

SHOULD make people sad, for the loss of life, and wondering if there is any way to try to prevent any more such tragedies. Noting a developing pattern as to who these people are is the first step.

That would be the humane approach to so many tragedies.

[FBaggins]

59. Alex Jones' conspiracy nonsense is almost universally dismissed here

With good reason.

What's entertaining... is to watch who comes here to try to peddle that nonsense.

[99th_Monkey]

60. So are Forbes and Fortune magazine "peddling Alex Jones nonsense" too?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/13/us-usa-new-york-crash-idUSKBN0EO1DE20140613
http://fortune.com/2014/02/27/is-there-a-suicide-contagion-on-wall-street/

Dude, there is something to this, despite your assiduous efforts to prove otherwise.

[FBaggins]

62. Niope. And it's hilarious that you can't tell the difference

The first simply reports a death of a physician who a great grandson of a very wealthy man.
The second reports a handful of suicides and asks if their might be a contagion (answering that there isn't).

Neither one implies that "there is something to this" or even tries to spin the nonsense that there are dozens of top tier executives mysteriously dying.

The nonsense you're spreading comes straight from the whack job lunatic fringe. It bears no relationship at all to actual reporting from Forbes or Fortune (except that both appear to be using the English language).

[Logical]

44. So if I can find 39 people of another profession that died can I post it here too? Wow! nt

[99th_Monkey]

19. We're NOT just talking about the 'profession of banking' i.e. all bankers. These are the top execs.

We are talking about the very top echelon of executive bankers. <-- THIS is what is so
unusual and creepy .. and there are no statistics that I know of that distinguish between
all bankers and TOP echelon bankers killing themselves in weird ways (nail guns? really).

Bottom line, this list is dated 2011, before all this recent uptick of bogus suicides started
happening, and even if it was same period of time, we are taking about the upper tier of
executives, not all bankers.

[Godhumor]

29. using the list above, these are not all highest echelon. Not even close

Assistant VPs are the 2nd lowest echelon of the management track (banking officers are the lowest). There are literally tens of thousands of assistant VPs world wide in banking.

Analysts, senior relationship bankers, team leads and such are rank and file.

Bank managers are the equivalent of an assistant VP ( generally career ends at VP)

Depending on the organization, directors are generally the equivalent of admin or group VPs, the higher levels of middle management. There are thousands of this rank worldwide.

Senior management I see listed are executive directors, senior VP positions and c-level jobs. There are very few on the list of deaths.

This is a perfect example of people looking for a pattern and forcing one to fit the narrative. Most of the people posted about are middle classers...not the elite.

[99th_Monkey]

33. Which "list above" are you referring to?

Not being snarky, just not sure what list you mean.

This one? http://www.hangthebankers.com/48-suspicious-banking-deaths/

OR

This one. http://www.businessinsider.com/most-suicidal-occupations-2011-10?op=1#ixzz3QHyXccUA

[Godhumor]

35. hang the bankers

And before you ask, I am a former banker. I was an assistant VP in compensation and benefits and was responsible for a lot of salary and title comparisons vs global industry wide standards. Title inflation in banking is ridiculous and is something I was an expert in.

While titles will change, banks generally follow a vertical hierarchy like below:

Non-officer (all lower level positions)
Banking officer (beginning of management track)
Assistant VP
VP (beginning of middle management)
Administrative VP
Group VP
Senior VP (beginning of senior management)
Executive VP/Executive Director
C-level jobs (CFO, CPO, COO)
CEO

I am no longer a banker--it was an insanely stressful job that produced nothing but anxiety. I am extremely glad I left the profession, but that doesn't negate that there is a real lens bias happening with the "dead bankers" stories.

[pkdu]

32. FFS - just one example...Richard Rockefeller , died in a crash of a private plane he was piloting

it crashed one mile after take off..

1. He was Physician , not a "top-echelon banking exec"
2. If he was going to commit suicide , which he didnt , Im sure as a Physician , hed choose something less dramatic than taking off in and crashing his plane.


Do yourself a favor...just google a few of the names

Do yourself another favor...google the author of the article


Then lets have a discussion about whether this is CT nonsense

[99th_Monkey]

34. Excuse me for being just a little suspicious

of your readiness to completely dismiss the phenomenon of strange 'suicides' of bank execs.

Heres another list of 48 such incidents.
http://www.hangthebankers.com/48-suspicious-banking-deaths/

Richard Rockefeller, though not a banker by profession, was the heir to the Rockefeller fortunes:
"Rockefeller flew to New York on Thursday to have dinner with his father, banker and philanthropist
David Rockefeller, who was celebrating his 99th birthday, and was returning home to Maine, Seitel said."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/13/us-usa-new-york-crash-idUSKBN0EO1DE20140613

[FBaggins]

47. No... they aren't all "top execs"

Not even very many of them.

Many of them aren't even bankers.

This nonsense belongs in creative speculation with the chemtrails nuts.

[99th_Monkey]

49. Like I said in OP, "nothing to see here"

unless you do.

[FBaggins]

56. Which is exactly what the chemtrails nuts would say

Let's look at the list from last year.

1) Not a banker... not an executive
4) A broker/dealer/trader. "Executive director" is an example of title inflation. Nowhere near the top
5) "Junior employee"... not an executive
6) Worked for a bank, but not a banker (IT guy)... not anywhere close to an executive
8) Not a banker
9) WAS a banker 15 years ago when he sold his tiny bank. "Executive" of "Top Echelon" quite a stretch
10) See #6. IT specialist - not a banker or executive
11) Not a banker... not an executive. A kid that started an online game currency.
12) Trader for a VC firm. Not an executive
13) Not an executive (but his dad was... of a travel magazine company)
14) Bankruptcy attorney. Not an executive
16) I guess if you want to call the head of a 29-employee tiny private bank a "top echelon" executive...
17) Not an executive
18) Not an executive
19) Not an executive
20) Doesn't appear to be a banker or an executive
21) Not a banker, not an executive
22) I get a kick out of this one. Not a banker... not an executive... (a doctor) but his grandfather is claimed to be an "elite banker" (really an oil man)
23) Not a banker... not an executive. A wealthy Iranian who owned lots of companies and was executed by the government.
24) Not a banker... not an executive (for a bank anyway). Somehow I get the impression that the authors of this list translate "rich" to "insider in the banking world"
25) Senior IT guy at a bank... but not an executive
26) See #6.
27) See #25
30) Not an executive (The author obviously hasn't a clue how common VPs are at large banks)
32) Attorney for a bank... not an executive (or even a senior attorney)
33) Not an executive
34) Not an executive
35) Not an executive
36) Not an executive

[99th_Monkey]

61. So are Forbes and Fortune magazine "CT nuts" too?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/13/us-usa-new-york-crash-idUSKBN0EO1DE20140613
http://fortune.com/2014/02/27/is-there-a-suicide-contagion-on-wall-street/

Dude, there is something to this, despite your assiduous efforts to prove otherwise.

[FBaggins]

63. Same answer as above.

Repeating yourself doesn't add credibility.

Neither of those articles are anywhere close to the CT organic fertilizer you're spreading here.

[99th_Monkey]

64. Whatever.

I do find it mildly hilarious that your header says 'same answer as above',
then turn around to say 'repeating yourself doesn't add credibility'.

[nikto]

12. I sense...

"Something's ... coming..."
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608020172443025650&pid=15.1&P=0

[zappaman]

26. Love that movie.

Not as good as REANIMATOR but close.

[nikto]

38. FB is a fun flick----The monster that bites Dr pretorius's head off reminds me of...

Big American bankers.


Separated at birth?
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1490897.1382261736!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/jamie-dimon.jpg

[hifiguy]

40. Blankfein reminds me a bit of this guy

Lrrr, ruler of Omnicron perseii 8.

[nikto]

65. Same DNA

[JustAnotherGen]

14. This is really getting creepy

Isn't it?

[randome]

15. The truth is out there.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[zappaman]

27. Ok, I laughed.

[NuclearDem]

37. They knew Too Much

[Logical]

45. Are you claiming contrails are not real????? :-)

[tk2kewl]

16. what do you call 39 dead bankers in 13 months?

[randome]

17. A reorganization?

With the word 'synergy' thrown in somewhere.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[hifiguy]

20. A decent start?

[99th_Monkey]

25. LOL - good one. nt

[sabrina 1]

46. First, I wouldn't call the deaths of any human being, in this case dozens of human beings, driven to

take their own lives, which indicates they were extremely depressed or frightened or hopeless, something to joke about on the internet.

That, to me anyhow, is first and foremost a terrible tragedy. That all of them were Bankers is certainly interesting enough that many people have noted it.

It seems to me we should care enough when something like this happens, to try to find out why. In order to try to prevent any more tragedies.

Is there some reason anyone would object to that? Why are there people here trying to minimize these people's lives and deaths? I don't understand that.

[roamer65]

30. 21214.

[JDPriestly]

39. I'm sorry. But this story is meaningless unless you state what percentage of bankers

who are in the upper management of their banks have committed suicide or died under suspicious conditions, their ages and a lot more information such as what insurance settlements were paid out based on their suicides. (Suicide may exclude an insurance payment. I don't know.

I do not want to offend you, but this story does not mean a lot without some research on just what the deaths are about. Were some of these individuals ill? How old were they? Did they have reason to be depressed? Maybe personal reasons?

Just the number of bankers is not very meaningful. There are many, many bankers in the world. A lot of them take personal risks they should not take.

This story is just kind of empty in my view. Sorry.

[Godhumor]

41. see my posts 29 and 35

Most of the people listed aren't in upper management at all. They're being cited as upper management to fit this narrative.

[99th_Monkey]

42. Like the OP sez. "nothing to see here"

unless you want to.

[oldandhappy]

51. Sounds a little dark to me

Even if these folk are not upper level, is this a reasonable number in any profession to be committing suicide in this period of time? I have noticed these posts previously and have wondered what is happening.

[99th_Monkey]

53. It used to be ok to wonder about dubious "official stories" on DU

Seems not so much these daze, as lots of interesting stuff is
shunted off into a "dungeon" called CT (conspiracy theories)

[Jamastiene]

54. Is it some kind of murder coverup thing going on or do bankers have some kind of stress

I don't see? Maybe it is something on the money? Is it like they don't know that they are really handling cocaine all day long then go home and come down or something? Most US money is covered in coke. If someone handles it all day, won't it affect them in some way?

Or did they just know too much. I wish someone could or could put together a working theory for this many deaths. I hate mysteries with too many facts missing. I hope I never get in the path of the people who really run the world. People around them "commit suicide" a bit too often. Yes, and Oswald shot a magic bullet so perfectly, it went through several people, just right to do the most damage. A single lone gunman did ALL that with a single magical bullet. I don't even think Disney could rewrite that to make it all fit, eve if they gave the script to Tinkerbell herself. Even she couldn't imagine a bullet that magical.

I'm in a shitty, grumpy mood today, not in the mood to pretend I believe the "official" story of anything.

[Orrex]

57. I wonder how many fast food workers killed themselves in that time.

[randome]

58. You know how it is when you stare at a dark spot on a large white surface?

The mind starts to play tricks on you. It gives you the illusion that the spot is moving. That's because our pattern-recognition system is aghast at the possibility that something isn't occurring so it pretends that something is.

It's the same thing when you look at isolated statistics for too long. You become convinced -utterly convinced- that a pattern is there because you don't shift your attention to the larger picture.

And it's the same with the anti-vaxxers. They look at the minuscule number of individuals who happened -through sheer coincidence- to have contracted autism shortly after receiving a vaccine. And they see a pattern that isn't really there.

It's the same information processing system all around, IMO.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]