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backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:28 PM Jan 2015

deflategate:the final word

We are all debating if Brady Cheated or if Billicheck knew or whatever but there is a more basic question....why are we asking this?

We football fans want to see the best football players in the world play at their best so why are we putting arbitrary rules on how the players are allowed to inflate a football?

If Brady likes the football at 11 PSI so what?
If Payton likes the ball at 9 PSI so what?
If Stafford likes the ball at 15 PSI so what?

If we want to see the best players in the world at their best,let them have at it.A ball at 11 PSI is supposed to be easier to grip so let them do it.A ball at 9 PSI will be even better...so what?

Remove the artificial rules and let the best players in the world play at their best

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deflategate:the final word (Original Post) backwoodsbob Jan 2015 OP
That's effectively what they do. PeteSelman Jan 2015 #1
Absolutely. What need have we for standardized rules in organized sport? . . . Journeyman Jan 2015 #2
yep that is exactly what I said backwoodsbob Jan 2015 #3
Speaking as a former defenseman... MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #33
I was playing with my balls at work today underpants Jan 2015 #4
I do not think this sounds like you think it sounds. :) Sort of reminds me of KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #12
Whaaaaa? underpants Jan 2015 #15
You do NOT have an even playing field with different ball pressures. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #5
how so? backwoodsbob Jan 2015 #7
On running plays he would call for the one inflated to 5 psi indie9197 Jan 2015 #11
No, it woudl not. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #13
No. Both teams playing with the same ball would be the most fair. Iggo Jan 2015 #22
you're exactly right Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2015 #34
They just need to add that the pressure be measured on the field- right before the game indie9197 Jan 2015 #14
Do a check before any ball enters play. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #17
Good idea! eom indie9197 Jan 2015 #18
Why stop there? As long as we're making regulations optional... DanTex Jan 2015 #6
why stop there? backwoodsbob Jan 2015 #8
Apparently the PSI actually is a big deal. DanTex Jan 2015 #9
Not according to the Patriots mythology Jan 2015 #20
Outrageous OP. nilesobek Jan 2015 #10
Yes, Seahawks have taken the high road. It was two other teams R B Garr Jan 2015 #25
What if they want to play it with a baseball and a tennis racket? Can we still call it football? nt Xipe Totec Jan 2015 #16
Sure, but it's gonna be a lot harder to kick the puck hifiguy Jan 2015 #21
And so what if they like to use steroids jberryhill Jan 2015 #19
Players that have done that have been suspended. That would be appropriate in this case, too. pnwmom Jan 2015 #28
I think we should give fieldgoal kickers a remote IDemo Jan 2015 #23
Tom Brady seems to like the Rule Book when it benefits him: R B Garr Jan 2015 #24
The rule is inherently arbitrary onenote Jan 2015 #26
There's no such thing as an exact number in physical systems MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #29
There is no reason the balls can't be exactly the same out the door. onenote Jan 2015 #31
They can't be the same MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #32
think it's to allow some degree of Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2015 #35
Right. If the Patriots want to change the change the game rules on their own, without telling pnwmom Jan 2015 #27
Not logical rufus dog Jan 2015 #30
think I agree with you. you make sense Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2015 #36

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
1. That's effectively what they do.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jan 2015

The QB is allowed to set up the ball how they like it. Every quarterback in the league does it. That's why you don't see any of the coaches doing their college stuff complaining about it, they just want this nonsense to go away because they all know and allow it.

The whole "scandal" is sour grapes from a bunch of whiners.

Journeyman

(15,091 posts)
2. Absolutely. What need have we for standardized rules in organized sport? . . .
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:46 PM
Jan 2015

I always knew I'd play better if I had a spike attached to my helmet, something like the Germans wore in WW1. Damn few defensemen would have been able to bring me down if I'd had a lance at the ready. And how much better I'd have been, and how much more exciting my team would have proven, had we been able to truly "stick it" to the other team.

Yeah. Let's jettison the rules so we don't have to wonder if we're playing within them.

 

backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
3. yep that is exactly what I said
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:55 PM
Jan 2015

PSI in a football is just like letting players kill each other with spiked helmets.

Glad to see you got it.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
33. Speaking as a former defenseman...
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:18 AM
Jan 2015

My rocket-propelled grenade would have smitten your Hun-imitating ass.

underpants

(184,091 posts)
4. I was playing with my balls at work today
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:07 PM
Jan 2015

We got 4 basketballs a nice rack and a pump yesterday. Our rec center is going to re-open next month. I set the PSI to 8.


I agree with you BTW

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
12. I do not think this sounds like you think it sounds. :) Sort of reminds me of
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:24 PM
Jan 2015

"Superman gets into Clark Kent's pants every morning."

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
5. You do NOT have an even playing field with different ball pressures.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:10 PM
Jan 2015

The only way to have an even playing field is under the current rules. All balls MUST BE INFLATED within the same range.

12.5-13.5 PSI

No more, no less.

indie9197

(509 posts)
14. They just need to add that the pressure be measured on the field- right before the game
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:27 PM
Jan 2015

to keep teams from pumping them up and measuring them in the sauna

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
6. Why stop there? As long as we're making regulations optional...
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:16 PM
Jan 2015

What if Brady likes his football a little smaller, you know, easier to grip. And while we're at it, why the weird oblong shape? I think it would be easier with something like a baseball, much smaller and denser. Easier to throw and easier to catch. Why the "artificial" rules about the shape and size of the ball. Let the best players play their best with whatever kind of ball they think is easiest.

 

backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
8. why stop there?
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:19 PM
Jan 2015

let the linemen have tanks and let the defense have nukes.

The PSI in a ball isn't a big deal

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
20. Not according to the Patriots
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 10:10 PM
Jan 2015

If it didn't matter, why did they lower the pressure? Why did Brady lobby to have the rule changed so that both teams got to bring their own footballs?

You don't get to break the rules that you find inconvenient. For example, try doing 85 in a 65 mph zone and telling the cop that you prefer the speed limit be higher. See if they buy that as an excuse.

Cheating is cheating. Unfortunately both the Patriots and the Seahawks cheat. The Patriots by using a needle to deflate the football and the Seahawks by using needles to inflate their bodies (and no I don't believe the Seahawks players when they claim they took Adderall since the NFL doesn't announce what substances a test is failed for).

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
10. Outrageous OP.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jan 2015

You must not have played much tackle football because the more inflated ball is harder to throw and catch. Also, the ball bounces off player's helmets and shoulder pads more easily if the ball is inflated, resulting in more turnovers.

Brady is going to have to play fair. The Patriot win streak is over. Its not an arbitrary or artificial rule. The inflated footballs will be bouncing of Patriot helmets and pads into the Seahawks waiting hands.

Brady and Belicek are going to have to prove they belong. On a level playing field at a neutral site with regularly inflated football.

"So what?" you say? Seahawks took the high road on this inflation scandal. Its the Patriots doing all the whining to the rest of America, who saw what they did. Take your opinion about this to other sports. You want to raise and lower the NBA baskets because some players would like them lower? That's what you are saying, in effect. The fact that they had to cheat just shows how pathetic and bankrupt the Patriots organization is.

R B Garr

(17,231 posts)
25. Yes, Seahawks have taken the high road. It was two other teams
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 10:23 PM
Jan 2015

who complained. The Seahawks just happen to be their next opponent.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
19. And so what if they like to use steroids
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 10:01 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Fri Jan 30, 2015, 11:06 PM - Edit history (1)

I'd personally like to see the pharmaceutical Olympics. Get the drug companies to sponsor teams, try out new performance enhancing drugs, and you can watch them perform with the strength and lack of pain to literally tear their own limbs off.

pnwmom

(109,227 posts)
28. Players that have done that have been suspended. That would be appropriate in this case, too.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 10:38 PM
Jan 2015

But it will never happen.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
23. I think we should give fieldgoal kickers a remote
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 10:19 PM
Jan 2015

to let them widen the goalpost uprights until it suits them.

R B Garr

(17,231 posts)
24. Tom Brady seems to like the Rule Book when it benefits him:
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 10:20 PM
Jan 2015
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/11/brady-to-ravens-study-the-rule-book/

“I don’t know,” Brady said. “Who knows? Maybe those guys gotta study the rule book and figure it out."

onenote

(43,433 posts)
26. The rule is inherently arbitrary
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 10:28 PM
Jan 2015

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a rule.

But how is it not arbitrary to allow balls to vary by 1.0 psi, so that one team playing with a 13.5 psi ball and the other playing with a 12.5 psi ball is okay, but a difference of 0.1 psi is not okay if one team has a 12.5 psi ball and the other has a 12.4 psi ball?

If there's going to be a rule, shouldn't it be an exact number with no variation?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
29. There's no such thing as an exact number in physical systems
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 11:32 PM
Jan 2015

There's always a range.

1.0 lb is probably reasonable to account for weather changes during the the game - temperature, barometric pressure, etc.

onenote

(43,433 posts)
31. There is no reason the balls can't be exactly the same out the door.
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:03 AM
Jan 2015

If conditions outside cause variations so be it. But it makes no sense to allow a 1.0 psi variation when the balls are under the same controlled, indoor conditions before the game begins.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
32. They can't be the same
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:15 AM
Jan 2015

but maybe they could be closer, say, within 0.1lb. But that's a guess.

For example, IIRC, inflating a ball causes it to heat up a bit. So a minute after inflation, it will likely be at a slightly-lower pressure.

But I'm being a nit-picking physics weenie here, and probably not even a good one. I agree with your basic point.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
35. think it's to allow some degree of
Sat Jan 31, 2015, 12:46 AM
Jan 2015

Discretion...but you raise a good point. The thing is the range wasn't good enough for new england. They really only wanted the control of the balls to allow them to cheat. Did you see the news about the statistician who calculated that after the rule change the pats fumble percent went way down?

pnwmom

(109,227 posts)
27. Right. If the Patriots want to change the change the game rules on their own, without telling
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 10:36 PM
Jan 2015

the competing teams, so what?

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
30. Not logical
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 11:39 PM
Jan 2015

So a running team can have 10 footballs at 6 pounds, 1 at 12 and 1 at 15

Run run run NEVER FUMBLE, oh need to pass, put in the 12 psi ball, Need to kick a FG put in the 15 psi ball

WHAT THE FUCK, NEED A FG FROM 65 Yards! THROW IN SOME HELIUM!

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