Texas bill alllows teachers to kill students

[eridani]

http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/01/29/bill-allow-texas-teachers-kill-students/

A new bill in Texas would allow teachers to us “force or deadly force" in situations that involve their school and students. Civil immunity would be granted to those who use deadly force, meaning they would not be liable for the injury or death of a student.

People who are concerned about the use of excessive force by law enforcement may have to deal with another fatal can of worms. If Texas state Rep. Dan Flynn (R) gets his way, teachers will have the right to use deadly force against students in Texas classrooms, in the near future.

The Lone Star State already permits teachers to have firearms in the classroom, but H.B. 868, also known as the Teacher’s Protection Act, would authorize instructors to use “force or deadly force on school property, on a school bus, or at a school-sponsored event in defense of the educator’s person or in defense of students of the school that employs the educator.” Instructors would also have the right to use deadly force “in defense of property of the school that employs the educator.” Moreover, civil immunity would be granted to those who use deadly force, meaning they would not be liable for the injury or death of a student.

Such a bill could have disastrous consequences for students of color. A coalition of civil rights organizations found that black and Latino students face much higher rates of disciplinary action in schools, which exacerbates the so-called school-to-prison pipeline. By extension, if students of color are already disproportionately targeted by school authorities for their behavior, they could also become the targets of deadly force used by educators.

[ChosenUnWisely]

1. Bully Idea! I fully support the arming of teachers in red states let's prove

once and for all if Darwin was right!

Just look at it as an science experiment just with a high body count!

[Katashi_itto]

31. I agree, I read this and the first thought was Darwinism, the 2nd it will help make less Texans.

[DeSwiss]

2. ''This is the last time......

...you'll forget to square the result!''



- I wonder if ''shootings'' will enhance or detract from teacher's annual performance reviews.....

K&R


Ego is a social fiction for which one person at a time gets all the blame. ~Robert Anton Wilson

[cer7711]

6. ROFL!

:::sob:::

[blkmusclmachine]

17. This is Texas. The only math they teach is "Jesus plus zero."

[LuvNewcastle]

3. They're allowing the use of deadly force

in defense of property? That is sick. Deadly force should never be used to defend things that aren't alive. Those things can be replaced; the life of a student cannot. What the fuck is wrong with people, and why aren't voters stopping these idiots from making these rules? This madness has to end.

[BrotherIvan]

4. So will all the pro-NRA parents be happy with this idea?

Because it's a very fucking BAD idea. Your kid was vandalizing a wall with a sharpie, oops he's dead. A kid steals a pencil and runs, shot in the back. Two kids start fighting, break up the fight by killing the big kid.

When I substitute taught at a middle school once, a kid threw a pair of scissors at my head while I was taking roll. I noticed in time and ducked, but the kid was trying to hurt me. I should have just shot him, right?

[Enthusiast]

10. Not to worry. No white kids will be shot for vandalizing a wall.

Or throwing objects at the teacher.

[BrotherIvan]

24. They will be shot less

But let me tell you, the stress level in some classrooms is so high, I wouldn't trust myself with a gun. And I will not be surprised at all when a kid comes up behind the teacher, grabs the gun and shoots the teacher or another student. Not one bit. This. is. madness.

[Enthusiast]

26. I agree. I was being sarcastic.

There were times when my teachers might have shot us out of stress alone. I remember one 4th grade woman teacher almost knocking my head off with an open handed slap because I made a smart remark. When I look back on it now I feel she way over reacted. She was overworked, underpaid and had small children at home. I can feel sympathy for her now.

This was an early 1960s Catholic school. The nuns would never have slapped a face like that. Not that I ever witnessed anyway.

[BrotherIvan]

27. I know, I think I'm all worked up from the stupidity of it

I worked at an alternative high school, sort of the last stop for a student before getting kicked out of the system completely. I liked it so much better than regular schools because it was smaller and had a family atmosphere. Kids were there because of drugs, gangs, getting out from juvie, having a baby, and other academic and behavioral issues. One of my best students ever, smart and funny, was there because some guy had stolen his girlfriend and he brought a gun to school to threaten him. Imagine if he had direct access because he knew I had one in a holster? Teachers are usually not the best physical specimens and could easily be knocked down and their weapon taken. Teachers are constantly in close proximity to students. Cops can and do keep a distance from other people for that very reason; teachers can't and don't.

Guns and teenagers just don't mix. I can't imagine any situation where adding a gun would make it better. It's all the good guy with a gun bullshit the gunners around here try to sell that comes straight from the NRA and gun manufacturers to sell deadly weapons to the weak and cowardly.

[Enthusiast]

29. You are right on. It's all NRA & munitions manufacturer rhetoric.

Just imagine how much money they have made since the 2,000 election. Obama was going to take away their guns. Now there are concealed carry laws all over the place.

[eridani]

37. Franciscans were never face-slappers. But they had pinpoint accuracy with erasers n/t

[Enthusiast]

41. LOL! And rulers to the knuckles.

[cer7711]

5. Quite Insane, What What?

Barking mad.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

7. Isn't deadly force in defence of the person already allowed, whether or not you're a teacher? N.T.

[onenote]

38. I think so.

[MrModerate]

8. Let me see if I have this right . . .

Under the proposed law, teachers could kill students to protect property.

Hell, even most cops are prohibited from doing that (they have to make up stories about being threatened).

This is either 1) Entirely nuts, or 2) In Texas (in which case it would be same-old, same-old).

[newfie11]

9. Damn when I was in School there

I only had to go sit in study hall. Whew thank God I got out alive.

[Aristus]

22. I grew up in Texas. I was once sent to detention just for fake-fighting with a friend.

That was in 1982. I guess today, the faculty member would have had me shot to death.

Texas is regressing into the barbaric past at a barbaric rate.

They'd better not go too far back; 6,000 years back, and they'll puff out of existence...

[newfie11]

36. Lol

Love the last sentence.

[SummerSnow]

28. Seems like study hall is banished, its now the morgue room

[secondvariety]

11. Even for Texas,

this is nuts. I can't see it passing.

[Shrike47]

12. Makes sense. I've been thinking a big problem with arming teachers is when they miss and kill.

Little Jonnie pulls out an AK47 and starts shooting everybody who dissed him yesterday. The teacher pulls out her Glock and tries to shoot Little Jonnie, missing and killing Susie and wounding Janie. Teacher eventually takes out Little Jonnie. Is she a heroine? Shouldn't she and the school, which knew she had a Glock in her pocket, be immune from law suits?

Teacher might be reluctant to shoot Little Jonnie (and anybody else she may happen to hit) unless she knows she is immune from lawsuits.

[drynberg]

13. I believe an amendment to this bill is in order

Texas is more than a state, more than a state of mind, and it deserves to be an independent republic. They clearly have no respect for the US Constitution, and now they can have it their own way. But first we need a really big and strong fence to stop illegals from entering the USA. Any readers agree?

[kentauros]

32. You will find plenty of DUers that hate Texas so much as to agree with you.

I suggest you make that into an OP to see just how much DU hates Texas.

You'll also get plenty of DUers trashing your thread, or telling you just how wrong you are. Like me.

[Turbineguy]

14. No wonder they are against Sharia law.

it's too mild-mannered.

[rurallib]

15. probably many of us here thinking that if that were in effect

when we were in school, we may be pushing up daisies by now.

[Trillo]

19. Yeah, I'd be dead.

Maybe that would be better, but I'm not dead yet!

[kentauros]

35. The biggest problem with that thinking

is that you assume all of the teachers will comply. We've seen how the various teachers' associations here have fought against laws like that. I know my Liberal sister would never carry a gun to school (she doesn't even own one, that I know of, like me.) Just one more thing for curious kids to get their hands on, no matter where you keep it.

The only teachers I can think of that might be more apt to use a gun on students would be coaches. Other than one wonderful government teacher I had that was also a coach, most of them didn't give a damn about what we learned, yet were complete dicks when it came to discipline.

[blkmusclmachine]

16. Wild West

dueling pistolas

[Trillo]

18. Should students be given civil immunity if they kill a teacher?

I'm thinking this is just more inequality.

I wonder how much of this crap folks are gonna take before all hell breaks loose? Some kids get shot, some percentage of those will be innocents killed without real cause because the teacher was a jerk and had his ego damaged somehow. School isn't liable, teacher isn't liable.

Because it worked so well with cops killing innocent folks on the streets, now it should be expanded to schools and teachers?

I predict more homeschooling for one, where it's allowed.

[AwakeAtLast]

20. If this is what is going to be expected of me

I QUIT!!!

I did not become a teacher to carry a firearm and potentially harm a student. Oh, does kind of shit make me angry!!!!

[Binkie The Clown]

21. Good thing this wasn't law in 1952

The nuns at Our Lady of Eternal Guilt would have blown me away by the 4th grade!

[Starry Messenger]

23. I'm just going on record--this is a shitty idea.

I can't think of a single teacher who would even want to kill a student. wtf

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. It's just an upgrade to modern technology. Old vs New.

[McCamy Taylor]

30. Texas teachers have always been allowed to kill kids.

I know that several decades ago, they had immunity if a child died from being beaten to death. Maybe they were stripped of this immunity. I don't know. However, governments do not like to allow themselves to be sued.

[JaneyVee]

33. Texas is our Saudi Arabia.

[hifiguy]

34. The real kicker is

"the right to use deadly force 'in defense of property of the school.'"

Where the fuck else in American law is deadly force permitted in the defense of goddamn property?

[flvegan]

39. In other news, FOX is writing headlines in GD. Outrage ensues as desired.

Stupidity still in place.

[NuttyFluffers]

40. "Save the Fetus, Shoot the Child"

i see, it's not about pro-life, it's about others poaching your kills.

[avebury]

42. And the latest addition to the Back to School shopping list is:

Kevlar Bulletproof vests and helmets.