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marmar

(77,056 posts)
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:25 AM Feb 2015

Robert Parry: When Silencing Dissent Isn’t News


from Consortium News:



When Silencing Dissent Isn’t News
February 7, 2015

Exclusive: The criminal case against ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern for “resisting arrest” when he was denied entry to a public speech by retired Gen. David Petraeus appears to be nearly over, but the image of police brutally shielding the mighty from a citizen’s question remains troubling, writes Robert Parry.


By Robert Parry


What if Martin Luther King Jr. had been arrested in Birmingham, Alabama, in April 1963 and the U.S. news media had decided that it wasn’t a story, just some troublemaker getting what he deserved for breaking the law? Would King have gone on to give his “I have a dream speech” in August, win the Nobel Peace Prize in 1964 and change American history?

Some Americans would insist that suppressing news about King’s arrest during the Birmingham protests simply couldn’t happen here because we have a free press that – for all its faults – knows a good story when it sees one.

Sure, these people might acknowledge that there may have been a time before airplanes and television when significant events in fairly remote parts of the country were missed because they were harder to get to or because editors might not even have been aware of a newsworthy story, but not in 1963 and surely not today, in the Internet age when there’s Facebook and Twitter, which news organizations monitor regularly.

So, what if I told you that an internationally known American – a 75-year-old Army veteran and a longtime official at the Central Intelligence Agency, someone who had famously questioned the imperious Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld about his Iraq War lies in a public event that led evening newscasts in 2006 – was recently denied entry to a public speech by another Iraq War icon, Gen. David Petraeus, and – despite having paid for a ticket – was brutally arrested by the police and jailed?

Wouldn’t that be a story? Wouldn’t that be something that the news media, especially the “liberal” news media, should jump all over? Wouldn’t a newspaper like the New York Times just love something like that? ...............(more)

The complete piece is at: https://consortiumnews.com/2015/02/07/when-silencing-dissent-isnt-news/



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Robert Parry: When Silencing Dissent Isn’t News (Original Post) marmar Feb 2015 OP
Ashamed to say, it appears that many at DU have gone over to the dark side on this topic leveymg Feb 2015 #1
+1 nt snappyturtle Feb 2015 #2
+1 nt riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #6
it's the centrist way -- works to smear any person/issue nashville_brook Feb 2015 #7
sure is. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #13
DU is good for domestic politics... ensemble Feb 2015 #9
not just on this topic. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #10
I was about to say the same thing. nt bananas Feb 2015 #12
so true it makes me sad rbrnmw Feb 2015 #53
Corporate Owned News Octafish Feb 2015 #3
What is not reported as news or at all is more important than what is. Silencing dissent made easy. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #4
K & R for freedom of speech mountain grammy Feb 2015 #5
Robert Parry's work is becoming taboo on DU. Octafish Feb 2015 #16
Expected this... freebrew Feb 2015 #8
du rec. xchrom Feb 2015 #11
We need more whistleblowers and "troublemakers" to make democracy function. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #14
here's McGovern's "Letter To Gen. Petraeus" --> nashville_brook Feb 2015 #15
If MLK was a Woman daredtowork Feb 2015 #17
R&K! nt RiverLover Feb 2015 #18
That should be a huge story malaise Feb 2015 #19
K&R. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #20
K&R JEB Feb 2015 #21
Somebody tried to shut this OP down. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #22
Unf**kingbelievable. marmar Feb 2015 #23
Yes........ KoKo Feb 2015 #25
Wow. Unreal. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #24
there's a war against Robert Parry on DU grasswire Feb 2015 #26
Speaking of silencing dissent. pa28 Feb 2015 #27
Twice now. By a host I often disagree with (edited) DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #31
What kind of person politically, would diss Robert Parry? Ramses Feb 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author NuclearDem Feb 2015 #34
sounds like a callout Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #37
I thought about what you said. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #38
Sounds good. I'll self-delete. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #39
I went there, and it was removed...but it was worth it. n/t Oilwellian Feb 2015 #43
Wait, there is host on this board who was a Freeper for seven years? pa28 Feb 2015 #36
Coming from an Elizabeth Warren supporter, that's pretty disingenuous. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #40
because liz warren supporters & freepers are so similar ND-Dem Feb 2015 #50
No, because people who can support the former Republican Elizabeth Warren NuclearDem Feb 2015 #54
A host was the troll in that alert? The one that implied the Democratic Party is a traitorous ND-Dem Feb 2015 #49
MineralMan is not a Freeper. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #55
The alerter's comments say it all: they had no other reason than "I don't want to read this" arcane1 Feb 2015 #29
Oooo. a very concerned "average american" Ramses Feb 2015 #30
"real, average, every american". the guy who implies the Democatic party is traitorous and supports ND-Dem Feb 2015 #51
The poster who alerted simultaneously claims the Democratic Party isn't taken seriously by ND-Dem Feb 2015 #48
I find that you post really quality articles Ramses Feb 2015 #28
Yep, Parry, Ray McGovern is totally equivalent to MLK. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #32
NYTimes would be embarrassed RobertEarl Feb 2015 #41
You have to appreciate the irony of the title n/t Oilwellian Feb 2015 #42
+1 Karmadillo Feb 2015 #46
K&R woo me with science Feb 2015 #44
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #45
k&r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #47
K&R Sad that someone would try to censor this post. Scuba Feb 2015 #52
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #56
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #57

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. Ashamed to say, it appears that many at DU have gone over to the dark side on this topic
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:35 AM
Feb 2015

The orchestrated RW smear campaigns at DU against Parry, McGovern and other critics of the status quo have had the effect of shutting off many readers to dissenting voices. Shameful and sad.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
7. it's the centrist way -- works to smear any person/issue
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 01:32 PM
Feb 2015

aka bullying.

it comes and goes here and in the real world. it's particularly bad in both right now.

ensemble

(164 posts)
9. DU is good for domestic politics...
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 02:10 PM
Feb 2015

but on foreign affairs, not so much.
It does somewhat reflect party politics, though.
Many other good left websites more in line with my views.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
5. K & R for freedom of speech
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 01:25 PM
Feb 2015

you know, for the duck brothers, not for everyone. Don't want to be making the evening's entertainment with any kind of intelligent questioning of the great general.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
16. Robert Parry's work is becoming taboo on DU.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 03:59 PM
Feb 2015
Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026195436

Seems some on DU need to censor some ideas, like democracy and people thinking for themselves.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
8. Expected this...
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 01:49 PM
Feb 2015

no one may question the PTB.

This place looks more and more like OneState. The takeover of the nation is all but complete.
The plan has been outlined several times: 1984, Animal Farm, WE, Brave New World just the few that I've read.

It seems to be coming together nicely for them. The US has better propaganda machines than the USSR ever dreamed. The 'people' are becoming lazier, stupider and poorer. The M$M loves it because no one has to do any
work on stories, they're just fed what to say and repeat the lies until we believe them.
They(1%ers) have the people divided. They have the churches supporting them. They will have 50% of the money by years end.

It very well may be too late to stop.
But here's for trying, eh?

free

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
14. We need more whistleblowers and "troublemakers" to make democracy function.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 03:09 PM
Feb 2015
“News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising.” Lord Northcliffe

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
15. here's McGovern's "Letter To Gen. Petraeus" -->
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 03:29 PM
Feb 2015
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/02/03/a-pointed-letter-to-gen-petraeus/

(snip)

You may not be surprised to know that, try as I might to feel some empathy for you, Schadenfreude at your misfortune is winning out, since I am convinced that you had a lot to do with other far-more-serious offenses, including aiding and abetting illegal “aggressive war.” And, I suspect you also many have aided and abetted the circumstances that gave rise to the bizarre charges against me.

I refer, of course, to my violent arrest, causing pain of my fractured shoulder, and my jailing in The Tombs, simply because I wanted to hear you speak last fall at New York’s 92nd Street Y and possibly pose a question from the audience.

Why the Police Alert?

No doubt, your acolytes/adjutants have told you how, despite my ticket for admittance, I was denied entry, brutally arrested by the NYPD, handcuffed behind my back, jailed overnight and arraigned the following day. I’m still trying to figure it all out – including the enigma as to how it became known that I was coming.

“You’re not welcome here, Ray,” was the greeting I got from Y security as I came in the outer door. The NYPD was prepositioned and ready to pounce.

Were you, your entourage and the Y authorities afraid that during the Q & A I might ask an “impertinent” question of the kind I posed to your patron, promoter and protector, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, during a Q & A after he spoke in Atlanta six-plus years ago?

Speaking of Rumsfeld, you and I know him as your partner in some very serious crimes, relating to the illegal invasion of Iraq and the horrific violence that followed as well as the slaughter of so many innocent people in Afghanistan. For over a decade, I have closely observed your behavior and consider it nothing short of a media miracle that most Americans believe your worst sin to be that of adultery.

Since denial can be a very strong motivation, let me refresh your memory and remind you of the bad companions you fell in with. I am reminded of the egregious ways in which you did Rumsfeld’s bidding – winning promotions and richly undeserved fame by condoning the unspeakable – torture, for example.

Your third star came when you were dispatched to Iraq in June 2004, committed to carrying out Rumsfeld’s instructions to encourage Shia-on-Sunni torture and other human rights crimes. The all-too-predictable chickens are now coming home to roost from that unconscionably stupid attempt to defeat Sunni opponents of the U.S. occupation through such ignoble means – those chickens being what we now call ISIL or ISIS or simply the Islamic State.

What amazes me is that the Teflon is still clinging to you and Rumsfeld, given the bedlam in that entire area today. You’re not even held to account for the performance of the tens of thousands of the Iraqi troops that you crowed about having trained and equipped so well. They dropped their weapons and ran away early last year when the ragtag militants of ISIL attacked.

Back in April 2004 when the graphic photos of torture at Abu Ghraib in Iraq were revealed, Rumsfeld claimed he was shocked, even though the International Red Cross had been complaining about abuses there for more than a year before the revelations.

The Senate Armed Services Committee eventually concluded without dissent, in a major investigative report on Dec. 11, 2008, that Rumsfeld bore direct responsibility for the abuses committed by interrogators at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and other military prisons.

The Committee added that the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib “was not simply the result of a few soldiers acting on their own” but grew out of interrogation policies approved by Mr. Rumsfeld and other top officials, who “conveyed the message that physical pressures and degradation were appropriate treatment for detainees.”

Four years before the Senate report, in May 2004, Gen. Antonio Taguba came close to revealing precisely that, when he led the Pentagon’s first (and only honest) investigation of the abuses at Abu Ghraib. Rumsfeld promptly fired him. Yet, throughout all this scandal and mayhem, you were maneuvering your way up the high-command ladder without any indication that you were objecting to any of this.

Dangerous Orders

Mid-2004 was a significant watershed for torture in another way. Official messages given to WikiLeaks by Pvt. Chelsea (Bradley) Manning show that FRAGO (Fragmentary Order) 242 of June 2004 went into effect the month you arrived in Iraq to oversee its implementation.

The WikiLeaks documents indicate that you followed Rumsfeld’s order to encourage Shiite and Kurdish commandos to torture suspected Sunni militants. Examining those documents as well as your actions at the time, investigative reporter Gareth Porter saw that as the deeper significance of FRAGO 242 – significance somehow missed by your ardent admirers in the “mainstream media.”

Porter, too, believes it was part of the larger Rumsfeld/Petraeus strategy to exploit Shia sectarian hatred of Sunnis in order to suppress the Sunni attacks on U.S. forces. But that strategy had some very negative long-term consequences that we are still encountering.

It inflamed Sunni opposition to the U.S. and its puppet government in Baghdad, and gave rise to the massive sectarian warfare of 2006 in which tens of thousands of civilians – mainly Sunnis but many Shiites as well – were killed. The violence was so widespread that U.S. field generals, such as Generals John Abizaid and George Casey, and sensible experts on the region, such as former Secretary of State James Baker, urged a new strategy late that year, essentially minimizing the American footprint in Iraq.

Instead, President George W. Bush enlisted your help in doubling down on the U.S. military presence in 2007 with the so-called “surge,” lest he be forced to concede defeat in Iraq before leaving office. You agreed and sacrificed the lives of almost 1,000 more American troops to secure what one might call an “indecent interval” that let Bush get out of Dodge without an outright loss hung around his neck.

As the growth of ISIL/ISIS and the chaos in the area today have made clear, your famous “surge” did little more than achieve a temporary lull (after a lot more killing). It failed to achieve its most significant stated purpose – to create space for a political resolution of the Sunni-Shiite civil conflict. It did, however, have one very important benefit. The “surge” got you your fourth star.

(snip)


https://consortiumnews.com/2015/02/03/a-pointed-letter-to-gen-petraeus/

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
17. If MLK was a Woman
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 05:47 PM
Feb 2015

He would most certainly have been branded as a troublemaker, and the press would have told the story the public "wanted to hear" - about a wacky woman breaking the law. And that would have been that.

Women's actions of resistance, dissent, protest, civil disobedience, leading, and whistleblowing are often treated very differently then the very same action by men. The men become crusaders and heroes. The women are just crazy about whatever their cause is. The pathetic thing here is that by ignoring and minimizing the actions of women, policymakers, lawyers, and other interested parties miss out on the chance to establish precedent and call out instances of over-stepping and wrong-doing by the State.

Some consciousness raising needs to happen here - especially in the media since they often cue how politicians, policy groups, lawyers, etc. respond - i.e. is this situation "important" or not? Is this media going to support this cause, or did the media get out of the gate portraying the person negatively? Was the data "hacked" (privacy/security threat) or was it revealing something the public needs to know? It has been the media's CHOICE to primarily portray women as "troublemakers" instead of positive agents of change.

malaise

(268,712 posts)
19. That should be a huge story
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 08:15 PM
Feb 2015

In the past this would have over 100 recs by now.

Justice for Ray McGovern

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
22. Somebody tried to shut this OP down.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 09:22 PM
Feb 2015

I am juror #2.

On Sun Feb 8, 2015, 05:07 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Robert Parry: When Silencing Dissent Isn’t News
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026196829

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Sick of seeing Parry's latest screed every time I load up DU. Embracing the likes of kooks like Parry and those who drool over every 't' he crosses and 'i' he dots is a big reason the Democratic Party is not taken seriously by real, average everyday Americans. You know, the ones who don't root for foreign powers against their own nation.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Feb 8, 2015, 05:17 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not gonna censor Mr. Perry because he isn't being sensitive to the alerter's needs. Calling bullshit on even asking a jury to shut this OP down.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Who is the troll who doesn't think tha Democratic Party is taken seriously by average Americans? Fess up.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, trash thread is your friend. If our party spoke and stood for Truth more often, those real, average, everyday Americans might find good reasons to respect and take us seriously. I see nothing hide-worthy in this OP. Leave it alone.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
27. Speaking of silencing dissent.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 09:36 PM
Feb 2015

They already succeeded once today right here on DU censoring a Robert Parry story. K&R for this important journalist.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
31. Twice now. By a host I often disagree with (edited)
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 09:48 PM
Feb 2015

I've edited my post, not because it was inaccurate, but because I was beating a dead horse that didn't have much to do with the matter at hand. My apologies. Thanks.

Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #31)

Response to NuclearDem (Reply #34)

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
38. I thought about what you said.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 10:18 PM
Feb 2015

And no, I'm not proud of myself. I edited my post as a result. I didn't need to bring the FR thing into this discussion. Thanks.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
36. Wait, there is host on this board who was a Freeper for seven years?
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 10:01 PM
Feb 2015

Now he's locking subject material written by a liberal journalist?

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
54. No, because people who can support the former Republican Elizabeth Warren
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 08:33 AM
Feb 2015

should be some of the last people to be calling out a former Freeper.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
49. A host was the troll in that alert? The one that implied the Democratic Party is a traitorous
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:34 AM
Feb 2015

organization that sympathizes with foreign powers?

Really?

No wonder this place sucks, if that's a host.

Are the owners aware that Freepers are now hosts here?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
29. The alerter's comments say it all: they had no other reason than "I don't want to read this"
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 09:44 PM
Feb 2015

Juror #5 should go fuck themselves. Too cowardly to even explain their bullshit vote.

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
30. Oooo. a very concerned "average american"
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 09:45 PM
Feb 2015


Their deep concern is duly noted and thrown in the trash where it belongs

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
51. "real, average, every american". the guy who implies the Democatic party is traitorous and supports
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:37 AM
Feb 2015

foreign powers.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
48. The poster who alerted simultaneously claims the Democratic Party isn't taken seriously by
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:31 AM
Feb 2015

"real, average everyday Americans"?

and implies that Democrats root for foreign powers?

Who should be alerted on here?

Yeah, I'd say he's a troll.

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
28. I find that you post really quality articles
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 09:41 PM
Feb 2015

Thank you for this piece. Shows how deep the infiltration is in the Democratic party

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