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These books seek to redefine what it really means to be an alpha male. Really, its not just a bunch of cock-sure, arrogant and self-entitled assholes. Its a gentleman. A leader. A strong and worthy man blah, blah, blah. Theyre putting lipstick on a pig, trying to convince you that youre either the leader of the pack, or youre a beta who wont get what you deserve in this life, and they pretty it up with all kinds of nice-sounding terminology and definitions, but at its core the idea of being an alpha male is bogus.
Its built around the myth of the alpha male wolf, which is allegedly the strongest, most dominant member of the pack. He is the leader, the one who gets all the bitches (literally) and keeps the other males in their place. Or something.
But its based on bad science. Disregarding the fact that human males shouldnt be attempting to model the behavior of what goes on in the animal kingdom in the first place, this isnt what goes on in the animal kingdom. The whole concept of their being an alpha male leader of the wolf pack who fought his way to dominance has been debunked.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)...but he's probably only 5 feet tall, given the era.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)notice that until you pointed that out. Come to think of it, they do look short.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)picks and tortures on all the males below him in status, and is terrible to the females.
maybe we say alpha wolf to make us feel better, because wolves are regal, but we are nothing like wolves. we are much more like primates, and the alpha in groups that have alphas are awful.
however primates have been known to change their aggressive cultures, and learn to live less stressfully and less violently, so there is hope for us yet.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/13/science/no-time-for-bullies-baboons-retool-their-culture.html
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)TimeToEvolve
(303 posts)are significantly less healthy and more stressed out than those in groups without alphas, simply look at our society and how we are being made unhealthy by the elites in human society.
how we were able to develop such a complex brain despite this toxic influence remains a mystery to science.
i think that the answer to some of those questions can be found in Terence Mckenna's "stoned ape theory". Audio recordings of the lectures are all over youtube, search on youtube for "stoned ape theory"
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)It's particularly bad for human males! Not eve the supposed "alpha" actually benefits n the long term.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)hunter
(38,310 posts)... in people, apes, dogs, wolves, lions, orca, or any other social species.
For now, it's peculiar our history doesn't recognize that,
In deep time the "alphas" are not the most important.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 13, 2015, 02:03 AM - Edit history (1)
It seems an overarching characteristic of the economic elite. Whether it's a rapper, an athlete, or a CEO, they do what they want and don't suffer many consequences.
In general, history is a story of the greediest, most aggressive people being rewarded, whether that was Genghis Khan on the battlefield, the Rothschild and De Medici families in their counting houses, the transatlantic slave trading families, the early industrial tycoons, or the conquistadores.
Trying to refute this with science is purely an academic exercise. Anyone with a minimal historical understanding can see that aggression and ruthlessness is key to wealth and power. Whether that makes a man "alpha" is up to how you interpret the word.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)My husband is a pro athlete. He just carries himself differently. He's been called an alpha male before, with respect not malice. Even by people who don't know a single thing about him or what he does. It's hard-wired into him and makes him so successful at his job.
I've met others like him as well, as well as female alphas. Granted my world is all about sports but it's different in that these athletes MUST rely upon the intrinsic trust and cooperation of an animal (horses). You can't "dominate" physically per se since they're so much larger than a human, but you must be the alpha in that relationship. You must work cooperatively to achieve the symbiosis of a competent partnership but the human must be the alpha in order to get maximum performance.
Horses understand a pecking order and they instinctively recognize the stronger "herd" member (it doesn't hurt that he's quite tall, intelligent, and physically strong), he simply exudes competence. It's weird to articulate unless you've seen him in action.
It would be great if he were a pro in a "big $" sport.
We do ok but he's not ruthless in the least. He'd do what he does for free, he loves it so much. But I've seen up close and personal how how an alpha male or female with an aggressive, ruthless streak can be unbelievably intense and destructive in my own sport (horse abuse).
phil89
(1,043 posts)It would really be bad for his business.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)chrisa
(4,524 posts)Pretty funny. Just be yourself.
glasshouses
(484 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)His "shouldn't" statement is an asserted opinion masquerading as a moral/ethical imperative presented as a fact.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)A man who is wealthy or perceived to be high up the social hierarchy by one means or another is desired.
You can claim that everyone is the same and is equal all you want. But that's not how our society works. Even today we have a social hierarchy. For the most part, it's based on wealth. Race plays a role as well.
Society is nowhere near advanced enough to consider everyone equal. Nowhere even close. That is centuries of progress away.